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39. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 25, 2014, 18:54 Prez
 
I couldn't hope to give a better answer than Scottish Martial Arts, but in general I found the breakdown of political affiliation in the military largely mirrors what you find in the general populace. A lot depends on where the people at your command are from; your young guys from Alabama and Mississippi are going to lean right; inner city minorities will tend to lean left. These aren't hard and fast rules though. You really learn the intricacies of different people's viewpoints and value systems when you are forced into close quarters as I was in the submarine force. You learn to appreciate and even celebrate differences as it makes the otherwise unbearably stagnant and oppressively dull existence while underway a little less so by spicing things up. At any rate I can definitively say that it makes it painfully apparent that nothing is as cut and dried and black and white as how Axis interprets the world.

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38. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 25, 2014, 15:58 jdreyer
 
Also, as others have pointed out, this is a horrible, horrible precedent for Netflix to set. Perhaps they did it to force the hand of the FCC, although I don't know if that's the best way to do that. It might have been better to hold fast, lodge complaints, and organize a grassroots campaign of its 40 million users to get the issue regulated.  
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37. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 25, 2014, 15:54 jdreyer
 
Axis wrote on Feb 25, 2014, 11:42:
Cutter wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 23:57:
I guess we'll never know if people like Axis and Max are just nothing but trolls or really that delusional and stupid. Either way, what a waste of life.

Let replay this again, and see who really fits your quote...


Morning Metaverse


  • Netflix to Pay Comcast to End Traffic Jam. Thanks Ant via Slashdot.

  • Venezuelan government shuts down internet in wake of protests. Thanks HARDOCP.


  • Cutter says:
    "Man, don't you just love the American "free market". Yessir, all that competition driving better service at lower prices certainly is something to see! Oh wait, that's what happening in all those "socialist" countries! Hrm, well how is that possible?!"

    So Cutter puts down the US for free markets, and yet the very next article shows what a government controlled market does - shuts you the fuck down on any whim and you can't do jack shit about it.

    Course I can't say this type of stuff is unusual for Cutter, but it's certainly worth quoting again as a prime example of hypocrisy and ignorance in action.

    Although this thread went off the rails, and I had a lot of things to say, SMA said most of what I was going to say very eloquently, so I have nothing on that topic.

    Axis, as for your contention about Cutter: you misread him. His point is that internet is faster and cheaper in free-market countries with more government control than the US (thus the use of scare quotes for "socialist"). He is not talking about actual socialist countries like Venezuela. He is talking about countries like South Korea, the Czech Republic, Japan, Switzerland, etc. Due to unregulated monopolies in the USA, internet speeds are both slower or more expensive or both than most other industrialized nations.
     
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    36. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 25, 2014, 11:42 Axis
     
    Cutter wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 23:57:
    I guess we'll never know if people like Axis and Max are just nothing but trolls or really that delusional and stupid. Either way, what a waste of life.

    Let replay this again, and see who really fits your quote...


    Morning Metaverse


  • Netflix to Pay Comcast to End Traffic Jam. Thanks Ant via Slashdot.

  • Venezuelan government shuts down internet in wake of protests. Thanks HARDOCP.


  • Cutter says:
    "Man, don't you just love the American "free market". Yessir, all that competition driving better service at lower prices certainly is something to see! Oh wait, that's what happening in all those "socialist" countries! Hrm, well how is that possible?!"

    So Cutter puts down the US for free markets, and yet the very next article shows what a government controlled market does - shuts you the fuck down on any whim and you can't do jack shit about it.

    Course I can't say this type of stuff is unusual for Cutter, but it's certainly worth quoting again as a prime example of hypocrisy and ignorance in action.
     
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    35. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 25, 2014, 08:41 nin
     
    Sepharo wrote on Feb 25, 2014, 00:29:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 23:39:
    I'm not afraid to state my life experiences Seph, and however that translates to your ego is up to you.

    I have nothing against your life experiences. Why should I doubt them?

    I simply relate mine and get called a liar, whereas you relate yours and put an absolutist spin on them. I readily acknowledge mine as anecdotal evidence, but yours are the absolute truth apparently.

    He's convinced his "facts" are clearly better than everyone elses.

     
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    34. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 25, 2014, 08:35 gray
     
    Such a short term outlook, this is why the US is in decline vs RoW. Future prosperity? Nah, I'll take a quick buck instead.  
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    33. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 25, 2014, 00:34 Scottish Martial Arts
     
    Cutter wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 23:57:
    I guess we'll never know if people like Axis and Max are just nothing but trolls or really that delusional and stupid. Either way, what a waste of life.

    Axis is real; he's just an ideologue with elaborate filters for complexity. What he says is true, and also bullshit. Why? Because reality is complex and he's presenting one part as if it is the whole.

    Yes, the military does tend to be MORE conservative, but not exclusively conservative, than America at large, but only in certain respects, and for a myriad of reasons beyond his "liberals are losers and the military isn't a loser" narrative (although I wouldn't exactly call stalemate in Iraq and Afghanistan winning). Alternative explanations, each of which have a role, is that the military is a more "traditional society" profession, like farming, and thus is going to attract those who find more comfort in embracing tradition rather than changing the future, that traditional gender roles within military families tend to be strongly enforced because the constant moves make it impossible for non-military wives to work, that most bases are located in the South where the land is much cheaper, and thus more Southerner's, who tend to be conservative, get exposed to the military and its members on a more regular basis and thus are more likely to consider it an option for themselves, etc.

    Likewise, Axis's assertion that no soldier enters the Army in search of violent adventure is either proof positive that he had REMF MOS, i.e. he was NOT an 11 Bravo, or he has a VERY selective memory. Some soldiers are circumspect or ambivalent about being a part of the profession of violence, others are there for no other reason than to have that chance to see a man die by their hand. Even for the former, who recognize the complex nature of war, including all of its evil, there is still the desire among professional soldiers to one day see war so that you can find out if all your training and practice made you good enough to face your enemy in combat and kill him.

    Finally, my own experience of keeping in touch with the officers in my year group (I ended up getting last-minute medically disqualified shortly after being branched Infantry), is very much in line with Sepharo's. Not all of my peers were rah-rah USA #1 Republicans, although some were, to include me, but I can't think of one who doesn't now view the world in less one dimensional terms. The Army/Military as the Paragon of American Virtue and a Symbol of All That Is Good? Bullshit, it's a human institution with some very good people, and some very bad, and most somewhere in between, leading to institutional outcomes of roughly the same proportion. The American Military as Unstoppable Asskicker of Righteousness? Bullshit, it's probably the best conventional air-land force in the world, but that still didn't stop us from being fought to a stalemate by illiterate goatheaders in Afghanistan, and the notion that we could launch an invasion of democracy into Iraq sure looks pretty laughable now. Muslims as the antithesis of all that is Good, Holy, and Just? Meh, they're just people man, some good, some bad; most want the same things the rest of us do: to see their children grow to a happy and prosperous adulthood.

    Does this mean all my peers turned into flaming liberals? No, most of the right-wingers are still amped up about gun rights and government spending, but they are certainly less one-dimensional and more circumspect when it comes to the issues that surround American military power and the Global War on Terror. Those who are more liberal on economic issues largely put that down to the financial crisis and its aftermath. Most were already liberal on cultural issues, i.e. gays, abortion, etc. because very few millenials toe the conservative line in that regard.
     
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    32. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 25, 2014, 00:29 Sepharo
     
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 23:39:
    I'm not afraid to state my life experiences Seph, and however that translates to your ego is up to you.

    I have nothing against your life experiences. Why should I doubt them?

    I simply relate mine and get called a liar, whereas you relate yours and put an absolutist spin on them. I readily acknowledge mine as anecdotal evidence, but yours are the absolute truth apparently.
     
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    31. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 23:57 Cutter
     
    I guess we'll never know if people like Axis and Max are just nothing but trolls or really that delusional and stupid. Either way, what a waste of life.
     
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    30. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 23:39 Axis
     
    Sepharo wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 23:10:
    shinchan0s wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 22:57:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 21:05:

    That's completely false. The vast majority 'live' off-base among the communities they serve. Bases have minor amenities; you get necessities and some recreation. The vast majority live their lives off base unless they are in a war zone.

    I don't know a single right-leaning veteran who comes out of the military as a leftist, and I know hundreds - that's complete crap. The opposite of your statement tends to happen. The military is everything most leftists tend to avoid like the plague. And yes, it's authoritative as expected when you sign the dotted line for however many years you want -- and the best life experience you can get paid to do if you can handle it.

    Sepharo is half right.

    I don't know what bases you've stayed in, but as a former Air Force brat I know Osan Air Base (in South Korea) has more than just the "basic necessities". I mean, hell, they even had a school and hospital. Pretty nice Tennis courts too. The base in Osan was just like the one my Dad worked in at Fort Devens, MA down to the AAFES convenience store. A guy could live pretty comfortably just within the base.

    I also think you're over-estimating the extent military people "immerse" themselves in country they're based in. Most guys in Osan only went as far as downtown to buy bootlegs and meet women. I knew a few guys who actually lived in Korean apartments, but the extent of the Korean they knew was hello and goodbye. You might get a few more thoughtful guys out there who learn some of the history and culture, but the vast majority had as much knowledge as a tourist on a week-long trip. They do bring back a lot of cool souvenirs though.

    Be prepared to be called a liar. Axis knows better than you.

    I'm not afraid to state my life experiences Seph, and however that translates to your ego is up to you.

    But Shin is also half right - there's usually a main base in the country that has more major facilities, while the majority of bases have basics. More to the point, you don't need to "be" Korean to understand what life in Korea is like when the country and its people surround you 24/7 -- as opposed to sitting in your basement reading blogs.

    And Shin speaks from a family point of view. The vast majority join young and unmarried -- and they take every chance to 'live' outside that base as often as possible -- as I'm sure you can imagine as being or having been young once yourself. When I was that person, I did my best to avoid "PaPa Military Base" babysitting me...
     
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    29. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 23:10 Sepharo
     
    shinchan0s wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 22:57:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 21:05:

    That's completely false. The vast majority 'live' off-base among the communities they serve. Bases have minor amenities; you get necessities and some recreation. The vast majority live their lives off base unless they are in a war zone.

    I don't know a single right-leaning veteran who comes out of the military as a leftist, and I know hundreds - that's complete crap. The opposite of your statement tends to happen. The military is everything most leftists tend to avoid like the plague. And yes, it's authoritative as expected when you sign the dotted line for however many years you want -- and the best life experience you can get paid to do if you can handle it.

    Sepharo is half right.

    I don't know what bases you've stayed in, but as a former Air Force brat I know Osan Air Base (in South Korea) has more than just the "basic necessities". I mean, hell, they even had a school and hospital. Pretty nice Tennis courts too. The base in Osan was just like the one my Dad worked in at Fort Devens, MA down to the AAFES convenience store. A guy could live pretty comfortably just within the base.

    I also think you're over-estimating the extent military people "immerse" themselves in country they're based in. Most guys in Osan only went as far as downtown to buy bootlegs and meet women. I knew a few guys who actually lived in Korean apartments, but the extent of the Korean they knew was hello and goodbye. You might get a few more thoughtful guys out there who learn some of the history and culture, but the vast majority had as much knowledge as a tourist on a week-long trip. They do bring back a lot of cool souvenirs though.

    Be prepared to be called a liar. Axis knows better than you.
     
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    28. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 23:08 Sepharo
     
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 22:53:
    A pitiful few would fit that grossly liberal assumption - you gave yourself away to those who would know better.

    Americans don't join the military with arms pumping and war on their minds hoping to go into combat and kill someone or get themselves killed. They join in hopes to have a better life, get a free education, get job skills, get out of a bad situation, travel, etc. And if they are called to defend their country they gladly will with their life.

    There's life experiences out there for you guys - leave the forums and go get them.

    This seems to be a common theme with me and you. I tell you something from my life and you essentially (or sometimes outright) call me a liar.
     
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    27. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 22:57 shinchan0s
     
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 21:05:

    That's completely false. The vast majority 'live' off-base among the communities they serve. Bases have minor amenities; you get necessities and some recreation. The vast majority live their lives off base unless they are in a war zone.

    I don't know a single right-leaning veteran who comes out of the military as a leftist, and I know hundreds - that's complete crap. The opposite of your statement tends to happen. The military is everything most leftists tend to avoid like the plague. And yes, it's authoritative as expected when you sign the dotted line for however many years you want -- and the best life experience you can get paid to do if you can handle it.

    Sepharo is half right.

    I don't know what bases you've stayed in, but as a former Air Force brat I know Osan Air Base (in South Korea) has more than just the "basic necessities". I mean, hell, they even had a school and hospital. Pretty nice Tennis courts too. The base in Osan was just like the one my Dad worked in at Fort Devens, MA down to the AAFES convenience store. A guy could live pretty comfortably just within the base.

    I also think you're over-estimating the extent military people "immerse" themselves in country they're based in. Most guys in Osan only went as far as downtown to buy bootlegs and meet women. I knew a few guys who actually lived in Korean apartments, but the extent of the Korean they knew was hello and goodbye. You might get a few more thoughtful guys out there who learn some of the history and culture, but the vast majority had as much knowledge as a tourist on a week-long trip. They do bring back a lot of cool souvenirs though.
     
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    26. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 22:53 Axis
     
    Sepharo wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 21:46:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 21:05:
    Sepharo wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 19:28:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 18:51:
    Scheherazade wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:37:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:32:
    Scheherazade wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:24:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:09:
    So many of you liberals have absolutely no idea what you ask for, cause you have no idea what it's like outside your basement and lofty ideals. Go join the forces, do something for our country, experience the world, and come back wise.

    The forces don't go elsewhere and make a living for themselves in a different culture.

    Their time is paid for by the government/state. (Government employment : Pretty much the most leftist occupation you can have)
    They don't have to experience life in other places.
    They live on bases, in a different world than the nation they're located in.

    -scheherazade

    Spoken like a basement liberal.

    Libertarian, actually.
    That's right of center, FYI.

    -scheherazade

    Well then a basement libertarian, but certainly not one who has experienced the military overseas. I am a libertarian who served overseas and I certainly wouldn't have made those comments due to my views and world experience. The military has historically been on the right for many good reasons - most of which they are responsible people doing responsible work and have a profound love for their country they serve. Quite the opposite of much spin you hear from the liberal core... : )


    I think his point was more that they live in their own unique "world". That's undeniably true.

    My own anecdotal evidence would say that people I went to school with who went to war came back "lefter" than they left. That includes independent or completely disenchanted as well. But many of them went in strongly conservative. Exposure to cultures (good and bad aspects) other than your own tends to do that in my opinion.

    If we're speaking metaphorically, the military operates much more like communism (the actual in practice authoritative kind) than other political philosophies. You've got a command structure, people are assigned jobs, and they do those jobs to the best of their ability usually for no reward but to the benefit of the whole.


    That's completely false. The vast majority 'live' off-base among the communities they serve. Bases have minor amenities; you get necessities and some recreation. The vast majority live their lives off base unless they are in a war zone.

    I don't know a single right-leaning veteran who comes out of the military as a leftist, and I know hundreds - that's complete crap. The opposite of your statement tends to happen. The military is everything most leftists tend to avoid like the plague. And yes, it's authoritative as expected when you sign the dotted line for however many years you want -- and the best life experience you can get paid to do if you can handle it.

    For young war vets, I know 6 of them and 2 are pretty close friends. Like I said, they came back less "conservative". It's hard to pinpoint because it of course depends on the way we use terms like "left" "right" "conservative" "liberal" "libertarian" whatever. But in my opinion they left with opinions like, "Rah war yeah! Turn it into a glass pit! Republicans yeah!"

    A pitiful few would fit that grossly liberal assumption - you gave yourself away to those who would know better.

    Americans don't join the military with arms pumping and war on their minds hoping to go into combat and kill someone or get themselves killed. They join in hopes to have a better life, get a free education, get job skills, get out of a bad situation, travel, etc. And if they are called to defend their country they gladly will with their life.

    There's life experiences out there for you guys - leave the forums and go get them.
     
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    25. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 21:46 Sepharo
     
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 21:05:
    Sepharo wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 19:28:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 18:51:
    Scheherazade wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:37:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:32:
    Scheherazade wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:24:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:09:
    So many of you liberals have absolutely no idea what you ask for, cause you have no idea what it's like outside your basement and lofty ideals. Go join the forces, do something for our country, experience the world, and come back wise.

    The forces don't go elsewhere and make a living for themselves in a different culture.

    Their time is paid for by the government/state. (Government employment : Pretty much the most leftist occupation you can have)
    They don't have to experience life in other places.
    They live on bases, in a different world than the nation they're located in.

    -scheherazade

    Spoken like a basement liberal.

    Libertarian, actually.
    That's right of center, FYI.

    -scheherazade

    Well then a basement libertarian, but certainly not one who has experienced the military overseas. I am a libertarian who served overseas and I certainly wouldn't have made those comments due to my views and world experience. The military has historically been on the right for many good reasons - most of which they are responsible people doing responsible work and have a profound love for their country they serve. Quite the opposite of much spin you hear from the liberal core... : )


    I think his point was more that they live in their own unique "world". That's undeniably true.

    My own anecdotal evidence would say that people I went to school with who went to war came back "lefter" than they left. That includes independent or completely disenchanted as well. But many of them went in strongly conservative. Exposure to cultures (good and bad aspects) other than your own tends to do that in my opinion.

    If we're speaking metaphorically, the military operates much more like communism (the actual in practice authoritative kind) than other political philosophies. You've got a command structure, people are assigned jobs, and they do those jobs to the best of their ability usually for no reward but to the benefit of the whole.


    That's completely false. The vast majority 'live' off-base among the communities they serve. Bases have minor amenities; you get necessities and some recreation. The vast majority live their lives off base unless they are in a war zone.

    I don't know a single right-leaning veteran who comes out of the military as a leftist, and I know hundreds - that's complete crap. The opposite of your statement tends to happen. The military is everything most leftists tend to avoid like the plague. And yes, it's authoritative as expected when you sign the dotted line for however many years you want -- and the best life experience you can get paid to do if you can handle it.

    Sorry. I thought we were talking about those who had went to war not just anyone in the military or on peaceful overseas bases. But even then I'd say they still somewhat removed from the culture of the area they're in. Sure they're exposed to it and I even touched on that in my reply. But it doesn't make the statement that "they live in their own world" incorrect. War zone or not being foreign military hosted in a country is not like being a citizen of that country.

    For young war vets, I know 6 of them and 2 are pretty close friends. Like I said, they came back less "conservative". It's hard to pinpoint because it of course depends on the way we use terms like "left" "right" "conservative" "liberal" "libertarian" whatever. But in my opinion they left with opinions like, "Rah war yeah! Turn it into a glass pit! Republicans yeah!" but returned much more tempered and frequently against what are usually conservative staples. They came back having made friends with the Muslims they were training and questioning why we're there in the first place. It's probably more accurate to say they became independents than "leftists". You said "leftists" I simply said "lefter".

    But sorry I'm rambling about anecdotal stuff. You've got some message to rant about, I'll let you get back to it.

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    24. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 21:05 Axis
     
    Sepharo wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 19:28:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 18:51:
    Scheherazade wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:37:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:32:
    Scheherazade wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:24:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:09:
    So many of you liberals have absolutely no idea what you ask for, cause you have no idea what it's like outside your basement and lofty ideals. Go join the forces, do something for our country, experience the world, and come back wise.

    The forces don't go elsewhere and make a living for themselves in a different culture.

    Their time is paid for by the government/state. (Government employment : Pretty much the most leftist occupation you can have)
    They don't have to experience life in other places.
    They live on bases, in a different world than the nation they're located in.

    -scheherazade

    Spoken like a basement liberal.

    Libertarian, actually.
    That's right of center, FYI.

    -scheherazade

    Well then a basement libertarian, but certainly not one who has experienced the military overseas. I am a libertarian who served overseas and I certainly wouldn't have made those comments due to my views and world experience. The military has historically been on the right for many good reasons - most of which they are responsible people doing responsible work and have a profound love for their country they serve. Quite the opposite of much spin you hear from the liberal core... : )


    I think his point was more that they live in their own unique "world". That's undeniably true.

    My own anecdotal evidence would say that people I went to school with who went to war came back "lefter" than they left. That includes independent or completely disenchanted as well. But many of them went in strongly conservative. Exposure to cultures (good and bad aspects) other than your own tends to do that in my opinion.

    If we're speaking metaphorically, the military operates much more like communism (the actual in practice authoritative kind) than other political philosophies. You've got a command structure, people are assigned jobs, and they do those jobs to the best of their ability usually for no reward but to the benefit of the whole.


    That's completely false. The vast majority 'live' off-base among the communities they serve. Bases have minor amenities; you get necessities and some recreation. The vast majority live their lives off base unless they are in a war zone.

    I don't know a single right-leaning veteran who comes out of the military as a leftist, and I know hundreds - that's complete crap. The opposite of your statement tends to happen. The military is everything most leftists tend to avoid like the plague. And yes, it's authoritative as expected when you sign the dotted line for however many years you want -- and the best life experience you can get paid to do if you can handle it.
     
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    23. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 20:47 Redmask
     
    People who have no clue about liberals talking about liberals in this thread.  
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    22. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 20:23 Mad Max RW
     
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:09:
    Cutter wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 15:33:
    Man, don't you just love the American "free market". Yessir, all that competition driving better service at lower prices certainly is something to see! Oh wait, that's what happening in all those "socialist" countries! Hrm, well how is that possible?!

    Wow such appalling ignorance Cutter, apparently you ignored the the other article right here in Morning Metaverse... "Venezuelan government shuts down internet".

    So many of you liberals have absolutely no idea what you ask for, cause you have no idea what it's like outside your basement and lofty ideals. Go join the forces, do something for our country, experience the world, and come back wise. Or... just keep typing ignorance on useless forums and whine about being jobless or something, or waste your mommys money on drinking in college and keep on complaining!

    And this is surprising to you? Cutter, like all liberals on video game forums, creates his own reality that exists only in his mind and on the internet. He has a built-in censor that blocks his ability to recognize anything outside a narrow minded worldview constructed with lies and nonsense buzzwords.
     
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    21. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 19:28 Sepharo
     
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 18:51:
    Scheherazade wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:37:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:32:
    Scheherazade wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:24:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:09:
    So many of you liberals have absolutely no idea what you ask for, cause you have no idea what it's like outside your basement and lofty ideals. Go join the forces, do something for our country, experience the world, and come back wise.

    The forces don't go elsewhere and make a living for themselves in a different culture.

    Their time is paid for by the government/state. (Government employment : Pretty much the most leftist occupation you can have)
    They don't have to experience life in other places.
    They live on bases, in a different world than the nation they're located in.

    -scheherazade

    Spoken like a basement liberal.

    Libertarian, actually.
    That's right of center, FYI.

    -scheherazade

    Well then a basement libertarian, but certainly not one who has experienced the military overseas. I am a libertarian who served overseas and I certainly wouldn't have made those comments due to my views and world experience. The military has historically been on the right for many good reasons - most of which they are responsible people doing responsible work and have a profound love for their country they serve. Quite the opposite of much spin you hear from the liberal core... : )


    I think his point was more that they live in their own unique "world". That's undeniably true.

    My own anecdotal evidence would say that people I went to school with who went to war came back "lefter" than they left. That includes independent or completely disenchanted as well. But many of them went in strongly conservative. Exposure to cultures (good and bad aspects) other than your own tends to do that in my opinion.

    If we're speaking metaphorically, the military operates much more like communism (the actual in practice authoritative kind) than other political philosophies. You've got a command structure, people are assigned jobs, and they do those jobs to the best of their ability usually for no reward but to the benefit of the whole.
     
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    20. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 24, 2014, 18:51 Axis
     
    Scheherazade wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:37:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:32:
    Scheherazade wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:24:
    Axis wrote on Feb 24, 2014, 17:09:
    So many of you liberals have absolutely no idea what you ask for, cause you have no idea what it's like outside your basement and lofty ideals. Go join the forces, do something for our country, experience the world, and come back wise.

    The forces don't go elsewhere and make a living for themselves in a different culture.

    Their time is paid for by the government/state. (Government employment : Pretty much the most leftist occupation you can have)
    They don't have to experience life in other places.
    They live on bases, in a different world than the nation they're located in.

    -scheherazade

    Spoken like a basement liberal.

    Libertarian, actually.
    That's right of center, FYI.

    -scheherazade

    Well then a basement libertarian, but certainly not one who has experienced the military overseas. I am a libertarian who served overseas and I certainly wouldn't have made those comments due to my views and world experience. The military has historically been on the right for many good reasons - most of which they are responsible people doing responsible work and have a profound love for their country they serve. Quite the opposite of much spin you hear from the liberal core.

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    Yours truly,

    Axis
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