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37. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 18:08 harlock
 
Steele Johnson wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 17:23:
Same here. It's the software that sells the hardware, not the other way around. So when I hear ps4 better than xbox one blah blah blah, I just have to laugh at the hipster mentality (i.e. clueless).

i.e. retarded
 
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36. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 17:55 Redmask
 
Steele Johnson wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 17:23:
Same here. It's the software that sells the hardware, not the other way around. So when I hear ps4 better than xbox one blah blah blah, I just have to laugh at the hipster mentality (i.e. clueless).

You've got a history of obvious MS trolling though so why should anyone care what you think?
 
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35. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 17:23 Steele Johnson
 
LarryLaffer wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 10:44:
Personally I don't give a flying fuck which console outsells the other. I don't make my purchasing decisions based on what other people buy. I own a PS3 because I like certain games on it, I own an XBox 360 because I like certain games on it, I own an Xbox One because I like certain games on it, and will own a PS4 in the future when the right game hits that I have to have. Oh yeah and I also have a gaming computer for games that the consoles don't have.

I hope both consoles are successful, which they will be; I wish the Wii-U was more successful. They both bring something a little different to the table and create a competitive atmosphere.

Laffman.......

Same here. It's the software that sells the hardware, not the other way around. So when I hear ps4 better than xbox one blah blah blah, I just have to laugh at the hipster mentality (i.e. clueless).
 
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34. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 17:18 Jivaro
 
Verno wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 13:33:
NBA Live 14 is a train wreck, you might want to rethink that.

Yeah, anyone thinking that leaving NBA2K for NBA Live would be an improvement is in for quite the shock. NBA2K is suffering from Madden syndrome...NBA Live was supposed to be the competition that fixed that...but it is terrible. Sports games in general seem to be on the slide. (Unless you dig golf or hockey. Both sports have entries that are very good games on multiple platforms) I love sports video games and I used to buy one from every major sport annually. For a few years I bought Madden, FIFA, MLB the Show, NHL, PGA Tour, and NBA2K. I still buy Madden because I am a sucker, but everything else is determined by sales and if the reviews indicate that there is a big enough improvement from the year before to be worth purchasing at any price. Not being able to get Madden on PC since 2007-08 is a real bummer.

I would be fine with a yearly fee and having *insert sports game here* slowly improve and evolve over time through digital upgrading. Sadly the industry seems hell bent on monthly fees and DLC regardless of whether you buy a disc or not.
 
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33. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 16:03 harlock
 
Fion wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 11:49:
Creston wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 10:19:
1) Because it's $100 cheaper.
2) Because it runs equivalent games far better.
3) Because it doesn't have a built-in NSA FapCam.
4) Because it's not sold by Microsoft.
5) Because it's available in a lot more countries.

6) Because over the last 2-3 years the Sony has been consistently releasing better exclusives, often being new IPs.

sony also makes better quality hardware, in general... plus the design decisions are not hampered by limitation of a pc-centric ethos (which has its ups and downs)

im willing to bet in the long run the PS4 will be a clear winner... give it about 3 or 4 years
 
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32. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 15:39 PropheT
 
avianflu wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 12:18:
The launch games on both were hastily made, or ports: not sure anything is "proven" there.

That's true, but they had the same amount of time for both systems. Tomb Raider has had enough time to be ironed out before its release but still has a performance gap between the systems as well, so unless that's an anomaly for whatever reason the same thing is holding true when the games aren't rushed for launch.

No matter how you cut it there's a hardware advantage. I think the question was just if developers were going to aim for the lowest common denominator or actually take advantage of that difference, and if they do how much will it actually matter to people buying the consoles.

 
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31. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 14:08 jdreyer
 
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 13:15:
"Why PS4 Is Selling Faster Than Xbox One?"

Wow, I look forward to more thought-provoking, hard-hitting stories from Forbes. Perhaps:

Why don't men like being punched in the genitals?
Why do people watch porn?
Why does a stab-wound hurt?
Why was Steve Balmer not the greatest CEO of all time?

Amaze us, Forbes! Amaze us...

Well, Forbes isn't a gamer magazine. Business people might be interested in that.
 
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30. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 13:54 Creston
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 11:12:
#2 I don't think is a big factor yet. We haven't actually seen evidence of it playing anything better.

Well, we sorta did, because Ghosts was upscaled on the bone versus true 1080 on the PS4. Whether that matters to people or not, it's an objective fact.

But it's funny that you say we don't have any evidence, and then at the end of your post, you state: It doesn't matter if they're true or valid - plenty of false and irrational things have either doomed or guaranteed sales.

It is most certainly the rumor/generally accepted internet truth that the PS4 runs things better, ergo, it soon becomes reality. I'm sure there are people who've had their purchasing decision influenced by it.

But in any case, the large large LARGE majority buy a PS4 versus a bone because the PS4 is a hundred bucks cheaper.
 
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29. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 13:33 Verno
 
NBA Live 14 is a train wreck, you might want to rethink that.  
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28. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 13:30 Julio
 
To me I would never allow the SpyboxOne in my residence. For NBA2K, they're running out of chances to patch this turd. Very good quickgame gameplay, but the broken myGM/association mode is horrible. I suspect they'll abandon 2K14 and hope everyone pays again for '15. Microtransactions belong in F2P, not in full retail priced games.

I'm seriously considering going with Live '14 as well now, and skipping 2K in '15 (and maybe beyond).
 
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27. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 13:15 Eirikrautha
 
"Why PS4 Is Selling Faster Than Xbox One?"

Wow, I look forward to more thought-provoking, hard-hitting stories from Forbes. Perhaps:

Why don't men like being punched in the genitals?
Why do people watch porn?
Why does a stab-wound hurt?
Why was Steve Balmer not the greatest CEO of all time?

Amaze us, Forbes! Amaze us...
 
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26. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 12:53 Beamer
 
avianflu wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 12:18:
The launch games on both were hastily made, or ports: not sure anything is "proven" there.

Here's an actual comparison:
With sliders!

Ghosts looks better on the Xbone (to me), AC4 looks much better on the PS4, the others look like a wash outside of resolution, and I'd guess most gamers aren't using TVs, or close enough to TVs, for that to make a big difference.

Regardless, I agree - these are ports, and bad ones. It's too early to judge. People should look at what the launch Call of Duty looked like on the 360 - garbage.

And, in the end, most multiplatform games looked better on the 360, but the exclusives looked better on the PS3. I don't think Microsoft will have that edge anymore, as it won't have the sales numbers or be easier to code for, but I really think that, unless the gap is enormous, most people won't give a shit that the PS4 looks marginally better. This message board is unique, in that people here have been bitching about antialiasing for a solid decade. I don't think the graphical difference between the consoles is enough for most people, the type that don't spend 4 hours a day posting on a game message board, to give a shit.
The $100 difference, and the lack of Kinect, is a bigger reason. That, and Microsoft coming across as the least cool company possible during announcements.
 
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25. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 12:18 avianflu
 

The launch games on both were hastily made, or ports: not sure anything is "proven" there.
 
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24. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 11:53 PropheT
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 11:12:
#2 I don't think is a big factor yet. We haven't actually seen evidence of it playing anything better. We've heard rumors, but of the games released, don't some play better on the Xbone? And none are much better than the PS4.

Well, nobody's had any luck getting Forza to work on their PS4 but everything else has run better on it. I haven't heard of any games that are running better on the Xbone, although there are a few that did manage to get up to the same frame rate and resolution. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some talk of BF4 running better on it, but it'd be pretty difficult to argue that was a hardware thing rather than just being a better working port (which wouldn't have taken much).

There's been multiple mult-plat games that have come in at lower resolutions and lower framerates on the Xbone, and the new Tomb Raider coming next week is another one. It doesn't mean the games are bad, so it's kind of up to people buying systems if that matters to them, but when the competitor is $100 cheaper and is running a number of games better you do have to wonder what the extra cash is getting you.

I'd actually expect it to be a bigger issue a year or so from now if it really is just the straight-up hardware advantage that it looks like on tech sheets.

I kind of hated Prototype, but Infamous was fun. It's a good free-roam super hero game that turned out to have a good story and ending. The second plays better, but I didn't personally enjoy the story as much.
 
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23. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 11:49 Fion
 
Creston wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 10:19:
1) Because it's $100 cheaper.
2) Because it runs equivalent games far better.
3) Because it doesn't have a built-in NSA FapCam.
4) Because it's not sold by Microsoft.
5) Because it's available in a lot more countries.

6) Because over the last 2-3 years the Sony has been consistently releasing better exclusives, often being new IPs.
 
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22. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 11:12 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 10:19:
1) Because it's $100 cheaper.
2) Because it runs equivalent games far better.
3) Because it doesn't have a built-in NSA FapCam.
4) Because it's not sold by Microsoft.
5) Because it's available in a lot more countries.

Come February, when it becomes available in Japan, PS4 sales will rapidly outshine Xbone sales.

Just about the only reason MS is selling consoles at all is because of Stockholm Syndrome.

As the other guy mentioned, #3 and #4 is subjective. But, if the internet is representative of the people, it's certainly true for many, many people, whether valid or not, so I agree and don't know why he's fighting it. Kinect concerns and the name "Microsoft" certainly didn't help the system.

#2 I don't think is a big factor yet. We haven't actually seen evidence of it playing anything better. We've heard rumors, but of the games released, don't some play better on the Xbone? And none are much better than the PS4. I don't think many people are changing their buying opinion on this right now. Will it come into play later? If all these rumors are true, yeah, possibly. Again, the PS2 looked like the GC or the Xbox if you smeared the screen with Vaseline, so I don't think it's a huge issue, but I also don't see the Xbox having the exclusives the PS2 had to make up for it

#1 is huge, #5 less so, because the only really important country I think the Xbox is missing is Japan, and that won't help their side.


The only reason either of these systems is selling is Stockholm Syndrome. Neither has a good exclusive out, neither is running anything better than the previous generation, the PS4 does less than the PS3 (as nin mentioned, no streaming from your PC), and the Xbox One does significantly more than the Xbox 360 but I really question whether anyone gives a shit about all those TV and media capabilities - I see some benefits but, like Google TV, using the features seems annoying and how I use my TV now works for me fine, so the odds of me doing something annoying to change it is low.

There's absolutely no reason to buy either system right now, other than "OMG I HAVE TO HAVE THE NEW SYSTEM BY WHATEVER COMPANY I PROCLAIM MY LOYALTY TO!" When Titanfall hits, sure, maybe. When Uncharted hits, yeah, I'm probably buying a PS4.

Also, Infamous is that good? Was it better than Prototype? I have 1 & 2 shrinkwrapped, maybe I'll play them next. Well, after Last of Us, shrinkwrapped and still in the unopened Amazon box. First I have to finish FC3, which seems way longer than expected.

Note: to your reasons, I didn't argue whether they were true, or whether they were valid, just whether they impacted sales. It doesn't matter if they're true or valid - plenty of false and irrational things have either doomed or guaranteed sales. Growing up, a restaurant nearby went out of business because someone claimed they saw rats. Never verified, I certainly never met anyone that could honestly say they saw them, but it became an urban legend and the place went from packed to dead in the span of weeks. Was it true? Does it matter?
 
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21. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 11:08 Creston
 
Shineyguy wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 10:54:
I don't remember much murdering happening. After the Xbox 360 release Sony dropped their pricing pretty quickly, and PS3 sales picked up. For a long time Xbox 360 was behind, only near the end of their respective life cycles did Xbox 360 start outpacing PS3.

Yeah, you saying it doesn't actually make it true. In your world Sony outsold Microsoft and then they dropped the price out of the kindness of their hearts? Oookay.

Hint: It happened exactly the other way around. Why? Predominantly because the PS3 was hideously expensive (mostly because of backwards compatibility, which meant they essentially had to put a PS2 in every PS3) and because for a long time they didn't have very many good exclusives.


And I made a bad call with the Xbox One? How can you quantitatively tell me I did so? This is a subjective matter (which console to buy) when it comes to the end of it, so you can't really say one way or the other. That's like saying I made a bad call buying a Mac over a PC, you can't really argue something like that as it's subjective.

I don't give a crap which console you bought, but you're sitting there desperately trying to pretend that the only reason the PS4 is outselling the Xbone is because they also released in places like Costa Rica, and you're altering historical sales record to... shit, I don't even know. I guess somehow it makes Microsoft look better in your mind or something?

 
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20. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 11:07 BitWraith
 
The funny thing about trends is they don't change. PS4 is trending better sales than the XBone. It's written in the stars - PS4 is number one, XBone is number 2, Nintendo is a very distant 3rd.  
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19. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 11:03 Verno
 
Shineyguy wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 10:59:
When it comes to total units sold, for a completely unbiased comparison to be done an item needs to be sold in all the same markets. Or to make the comparison you only figure in the markets where both are available. Since we can't do that then we can only speculate.

It's impossible to have a completely unbiased comparison, market conditions and several different factors like pricing differential make it always a rough 1 to 1 thing. For the purposes of discussion people can compare them without making silly qualifiers about territories which sound more like excuses than anything else.

Regardless of available markets, the Xbox One is selling quite well, they're only 300,000 units behind the PS4 despite being available in less than half the countries where the PS4 can be purchased.

I think it's selling better than they deserve at that price point but again the idea that it being in more markets would make a significant difference is an unknown. We don't know how much better just like we don't know what difference it will make in the territories Sony didn't launch in. Microsoft chose the markets it would sell the most units in and Sony chose to spread its stock out thinner in more territories. I'm not sure your sales data is accurate either but I haven't checked lately.

Both consoles are going to sell well going forward and hopefully have a lot of great games is the important thing.
 
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18. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 24, 2014, 11:00 InBlack
 
Shineyguy wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 10:51:
InBlack wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 10:38:
I never said you did, all Im saying is that the number of countries involved is irrelevant if we dont know which countries they are.

I didn't look into the released countries, only did a quick google skim and got the number of countries each is available for purchase in. I'm sure with more research it wouldn't be hard to figure out.

OK, looking at Microsoft's press release, on launch the console was available in Australia, Austria, Brazil, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Spain, United Kingdom, United States and New Zealand. And they go on to say that they will be launching Xbox One in Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Norway, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland, as soon as possible in 2014.

And looking at Sony's press release this is how it went down for their launch: November 15th they launch in US and Canada. On the 29th of the same month they're available in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, Panama and Peru. In December they went on sale in South Africa, Korea, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand, and Taiwan.

Thhere is something definitely off with these lists.
 
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