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The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated "M"

The Bethesda Softworks Facebook page has word that the ESRB has advised them that The Elder Scrolls Online is getting an "M" rating, designating it for mature audiences only. They say they disagree with the rating, but do not plan on challenging it because they "are unwilling to change the games content to achieve a different rating." They note they are in the process of updating the game's marketing materials to reflect this rating. In the meantime, there's this video where three of the game's developers discuss group content in a clip which runs almost eight minutes. The clip does not end with an age-rating, perhaps the last time the game will go commando. Similarly, the ESRB listing for the Thief reboot also shows that game with an "M" rating (thanks Lazygamer). The description suggests violence plays a part in the rating, though, similar to many rock stars, it was the sex and drugs that did the game in:

During the course of the game, players can roam through a brothel environment in which several prostitutes are depicted topless. The central character has the ability to spy on couples engaging in sexual activity (topless characters); suggestive moaning and dialogue can also be heard. Some settings depict opium vats or characters under the influence of the drug. The words f**k and sh*t can be heard in the dialogue.

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91. Re: why??? Jan 24, 2014, 21:25 Prez
 
Games are fun, gamers suck.

My version is "Singleplayer games are fun; Mulitplayer gamers suck.

EDIT - For the record there was some explicit sexual activity going on in Max Payne 3's brothel level that felt like it belonged there. It would be kind of weird to be going through a brothel in Panama and NOT see something like that. So yeah, sex has a place in games. And one even handled it correctly.

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90. Re: why??? Jan 24, 2014, 14:20 Agent.X7
 
Creston wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 10:31:
Verno wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 09:22:
Games are fun, gamers suck.


Sadly, yeah. Well, at least in most cases. I had great fun running along with a very good RP guild as we kicked the shit out of Caledon Forest dynamic events last night in GW2.

(Yes, I know it's a lvl 15-30 zone. Sue me. )

In fact, I was amazed by how lively most zones were. Even the two starting zones I visited had around a dozen players in it in most areas. And I jump to a character who I had left in Caledon Forest over a year ago, and to my surprise there's like 50 players running around.

I think the "EVERY ZONE IS EMPTY EXCEPT ORR OR FRACTALS!" rhetoric we tend to hear every now and then is really rather exaggerated.



Yeah, there's always people on when I pop in, no matter what map or time. And LA is always a pain in the ass to log into.
 
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89. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 24, 2014, 11:23 Beamer
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 02:55:
Beamer wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 02:48:

Do you really?
I call that checkmate.

I really do. Some detective work with Steam profiles will quickly lead you to more than you would ever want to see.

Yeaaaaah. Now I feel I know you really, really well, haha.
 
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88. Re: why??? Jan 24, 2014, 11:16 Quinn
 
Games are fun. Gamers suck.

Know why that's generally true? Gamers are used to being the protagonist; the center of the story. NPCs listen to you, while you don't have to give a shit about what NPCs really have to say. Most gamers I know.. or "know"... online or IRL -- even most of the people on bluesnews -- act exactly like that; like they're the protagonist; the center of it all. "Listen to my words. I'm right. I don't care what you NPCs say. I'm right. ...I'm right..."
They also think they are better than you by default. How often can you talk about something cool you did in a game, without the other gamer -- if you're lucky after you've finished your sentence! -- tells you something he did (better)? Hardly ever, am I right? Gamers together do nothing else but measuring gamer cocks.

All my friends? No or very softcore gamers.

True story.

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87. Re: why??? Jan 24, 2014, 10:31 Creston
 
Verno wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 09:22:
Games are fun, gamers suck.


Sadly, yeah. Well, at least in most cases. I had great fun running along with a very good RP guild as we kicked the shit out of Caledon Forest dynamic events last night in GW2.

(Yes, I know it's a lvl 15-30 zone. Sue me. )

In fact, I was amazed by how lively most zones were. Even the two starting zones I visited had around a dozen players in it in most areas. And I jump to a character who I had left in Caledon Forest over a year ago, and to my surprise there's like 50 players running around.

I think the "EVERY ZONE IS EMPTY EXCEPT ORR OR FRACTALS!" rhetoric we tend to hear every now and then is really rather exaggerated.


 
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86. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 24, 2014, 10:28 Creston
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 02:55:
Beamer wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 02:48:

Do you really?
I call that checkmate.

I really do. Some detective work with Steam profiles will quickly lead you to more than you would ever want to see.

James Deen, is that you?
 
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85. Re: why??? Jan 24, 2014, 09:22 Verno
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 16:27:
I could see my flag - and was "DEFENDING" - not sure why I got in trouble for "camping" while defending. Wasn't in a corner, was out in the open, they just didn't look around when they came into the area with the flag - had their blinders on. oh well.

I was on a BF4 server last night, using the Mobile AA to shut down their air. I kill the admin who was failing to be a skylord and get "Vernoz do not sit in spawn" in chat. Ok, I'm not even near the uncap but fine its his server, I move a bit. I kill some other people and him again. "Vernoz move or get banned". Exasperated I move way too far forward, almost right outside their uncap. Finally they still can't kill me (not because I'm particularly good, just they're playing horribly) and the Admin says "Vernoz don't baserape". Laughing, I closed BF4 and went to read a book. Games are fun, gamers suck.

 
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84. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 24, 2014, 02:55 Scottish Martial Arts
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 02:48:

Do you really?
I call that checkmate.

I really do. Some detective work with Steam profiles will quickly lead you to more than you would ever want to see.
 
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83. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 24, 2014, 02:48 Beamer
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 24, 2014, 02:30:
Cutter wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 23:20:
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 20:42:
There's a big difference between nudity and sexuality and the pornographic. If you can't tell the difference, that says a lot about your own lack of standards.

So it's his lack of standards and not you being prudish, right? Christ, Janet Jackson flashes less than 1 second of nipple and mainstream America goes off the deep end.

Piss off, I work in adult entertainment. Prudishness isn't the issue: tastelessness reflective of a 12 year old mindset is.

Do you really?
I call that checkmate.

But maybe just because I agree with you. I'm not prude, don't even mind the Game of Thrones sexposition because it often has a purpose (but not always.)
I just haven't seen video games approach sexuality as anything other than "hehehehehehe boobs" and don't really expect it. I know I keep harping on GTAV, but it's often lauded as having fantastic writing. If its approach to sex - a bored woman having anal sex while being filmed then chasing someone down nearly suicidal, is how a game with good writing approaches the topic...

God, I'm sorry, the writing in that game sucked. For every decent moment one of the three main characters had (and there were a few, particularly with Trevor and Michael) there were dozens of pitiful, pathetic, undercooked, dull, immature moments.
 
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82. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 24, 2014, 02:30 Scottish Martial Arts
 
Cutter wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 23:20:
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 20:42:
There's a big difference between nudity and sexuality and the pornographic. If you can't tell the difference, that says a lot about your own lack of standards.

So it's his lack of standards and not you being prudish, right? Christ, Janet Jackson flashes less than 1 second of nipple and mainstream America goes off the deep end.

Piss off, I work in adult entertainment. Prudishness isn't the issue: tastelessness reflective of a 12 year old mindset is.

While more explicit in my memory than in reality, this sex scene from The Pacific is indicative of the difference between pornography and sexuality on film. They could have filmed it without the sheet and shown full frontal nudity, rather than just rear nudity, i.e. made it more explicit, and it would still have been a scene from a miniseries rather than porn. Why? Because the scene is the culmination of several dramatic threads, and is an expression of who the characters are and what they are thinking and feeling. It's about love-making as a reflection of the human experience, in this case the experience of being in a world at war. In contrast, porn, WHICH I'VE APPEARED IN NUMEROUS TIMES *YUK YUK*, is just about satisfying the sexual urges of the viewer with an explicit performance of sex in its dirtiest manifestation. You don't watch porn for any reason other than to get off, and I guarantee you the brothel scene in the Thief will serve no purpose other than as fan-service to the virginal adolescents who buy console games.

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81. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 24, 2014, 01:37 Quinn
 
Cutter wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 23:20:
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 20:42:
There's a big difference between nudity and sexuality and the pornographic. If you can't tell the difference, that says a lot about your own lack of standards.

So it's his lack of standards and not you being prudish, right? Christ, Janet Jackson flashes less than 1 second of nipple and mainstream America goes off the deep end.

Like he says there's a difference between nudity and porn. A brothel is Thief? Sure. Ergo nudity? Sure. Moaning sounds? Hmz, why not. Seeing the actual activity? That's porn. I don't like porn. Kids are shocked and get fucked up in the head by porn. That's why almost every non-porn movie doesn't have porn in it, even when in said movies there is death, torture and swearing. Porn is another level. We know children will be playing this game. I'm sure there are fathers here who let their kids watch action movies where people die. They hopefully won't let their kids watch porn.
 
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80. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 24, 2014, 01:29 Dr_Dissent
 
With regard to Thief, I don't get the complaints. Who cares? The game is not about sex. Brothels and opium sound like they fit just fine in this world. There would probably be plenty of both. What would be weird is if they weren't there. Just because there's people having sex in the game doesn't mean you have to pause the game and go twist one off. You can just keep playing.  
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79. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 23, 2014, 23:23 harlock
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 20:42:
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 10:52:
Quinn wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 10:20:
About THIEF... pfuh. I'm not a prude at all, but fuck me was I disgusted by the triple X porn scene in The Darkness 2. I assume it will be a similar scene in THIEF. It is SO FUCKING TELLING what kind of mindset the developers have that work on this game. They just want the game to be a complete hit among the masturbating 16 year olds -- you know, the group that makes sure consoles and COD are still on the market.

You must be American. Kill Good. Sex bad. Video games aren't allowed to have sex, movies can. These double standards. I'll leave judgement on this one until I witness.

There's a big difference between nudity and sexuality and the pornographic. If you can't tell the difference, that says a lot about your own lack of standards.

whats up with the sanctimonious moralizing? who gives a fuck about your standards? take it to the church, saint highground
 
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78. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 23, 2014, 23:20 Cutter
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 20:42:
There's a big difference between nudity and sexuality and the pornographic. If you can't tell the difference, that says a lot about your own lack of standards.

So it's his lack of standards and not you being prudish, right? Christ, Janet Jackson flashes less than 1 second of nipple and mainstream America goes off the deep end.
 
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77. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 23, 2014, 20:42 Scottish Martial Arts
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 10:52:
Quinn wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 10:20:
About THIEF... pfuh. I'm not a prude at all, but fuck me was I disgusted by the triple X porn scene in The Darkness 2. I assume it will be a similar scene in THIEF. It is SO FUCKING TELLING what kind of mindset the developers have that work on this game. They just want the game to be a complete hit among the masturbating 16 year olds -- you know, the group that makes sure consoles and COD are still on the market.

You must be American. Kill Good. Sex bad. Video games aren't allowed to have sex, movies can. These double standards. I'll leave judgement on this one until I witness.

There's a big difference between nudity and sexuality and the pornographic. If you can't tell the difference, that says a lot about your own lack of standards.
 
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76. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 23, 2014, 20:09 HorrorScope
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 20:04:
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 20:01:
Beamer wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 13:15:
Yup, you just gave one example, which is fantastic.

How many more can you come up with?

Don't get me wrong there aren't a lot either good or bad. Sex is so limited in video games. I can't say if an unreleased Thief is tasteful or not. Funny as shit or not. Or just bad. But i'm not against sex turning out good in video games.

I wouldn't be, if it felt it had a place, but I've yet to see it fit into a game.

Think about it, middle ages (no tv or internet) and Garret is poking around windows at night. He's gonna see some action. So it can fit quite well, I assume that is why they are doing it. Not for horny man revenue, nah.
 
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75. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 23, 2014, 20:06 HorrorScope
 
Undocumented Alien wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 16:09:
It's not about the difficulty requiring a second player - it's just about being able to team up with a friend and play through the singleplayer content together (though yes, we'd likely jack up the difficulty to compensate). And why would we be in different areas? The idea would be to explore and enjoy the game's content together. The variety of weapon and skill path options would make it even more fun, as a couple of players could support each other while specializing in their particular area.

Agreed, you could play Diablo 2 and run in a completely different direction then your buddies, but you don't because the point is to play together. Skyrim has you play with a companion quite a bit, not sure why this couldn't be with another real player. The scripting would just have to be updated to allow that other player to get credit for completing a quest.


To further this... believe me I've thought for a long time of a virtual team rubber-band option in coop games. So everyone has to stay the fuck together, a lot of games are meant to be played in that manner, but you get slow poke rodriguez or loots mcgee or lone wolf mcwherthefuckareyounow messing up general coop. The rubber band has some elastic give, but keeps the team in the same area. LOL

But when I say I want a coop option in a game. I'm talking really tight nit teams that get it and stay together like a CRPG but with real people. Yes we can exist.
 
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74. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 23, 2014, 20:04 Beamer
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 20:01:
Beamer wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 13:15:
Yup, you just gave one example, which is fantastic.

How many more can you come up with?

Don't get me wrong there aren't a lot either good or bad. Sex is so limited in video games. I can't say if an unreleased Thief is tasteful or not. Funny as shit or not. Or just bad. But i'm not against sex turning out good in video games.

I wouldn't be, if it felt it had a place, but I've yet to see it fit into a game.

Too often it's just stupid crap, like Hard Rain or GTAV.
Although I remember buying Jagged Alliance and wondering why its rating included a mention of "clothed touching," which sounded very out of place. Turned out it was just the gags from clicking on units, much like making units babble in Warcraft 2.
 
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73. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 23, 2014, 20:01 HorrorScope
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 13:15:
Yup, you just gave one example, which is fantastic.

How many more can you come up with?

Don't get me wrong there aren't a lot either good or bad. Sex is so limited in video games. I can't say if an unreleased Thief is tasteful or not. Funny as shit or not. Or just bad. But i'm not against sex turning out good in video games.
 
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72. Re: The Elder Scrolls Online and Thief Each Rated Jan 23, 2014, 19:59 HorrorScope
 
Creston wrote on Jan 23, 2014, 13:11:
I don't get co-op Skyrim either, to be honest. There is nothing so difficult


Mods.

About the story. Now I'm playing with close friends i've been playing with for 20 years. We could still run the same quests, however talks/takes quests kicks in on for both. We do, turn in, next. I never understood why it has to be more difficult than that. I only assumed it was because others only play random coop, then you need a lot more control because everyone is out doing their thing. But mine is more like a veteran DnD group that stays and does things together every inch. Would be amazing.
 
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