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Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending

Harebrained Schemes took to Kickstarter to share the good news that they have negotiated an end to the DRM in Shadowrun Returns, saying this will allow them to release DRM-free versions of the game and its future expansions:

We just want to send out a quick update to share some good news. Thanks to a new agreement we were able to negotiate with our partners at Microsoft, Harebrained Schemes is pleased to announce that we are now able to release fully DRM-free versions of Shadowrun Returns and future expansions such as Berlin.

The DRM-free versions of SRR and Berlin will continue to be fully supported. You'll be able to download all game patches, use the Shadowrun Returns editor and experience user-generated content downloaded from third-party sites such as Nexus.

We’re starting work to get Shadowrun Returns available on GOG.com right now - not sure how long that will take but we’ll let you know as soon as we have an answer.

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37. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 14, 2013, 08:03 Sho
 
Creston wrote on Nov 14, 2013, 01:31:
This is not investing, and it's a good thing it isn't. If Kickstarter was considered an investment platform, the FTC would be all OVER that motherfucker.

You're correct, but note that I wrote "more like an investor", and pointed to the quality I mean: Kickstarter backers bear a risk, and that risk is whether a project will come to fruition and implement their reasons for backing the project.

But anyway, there's no real reason to bicker overall ... I think they could have handled things better, but the important part is, they fixed it. Mistakes happen; when folks deal with them appropriately I have great respect for that.
 
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36. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 14, 2013, 01:31 Creston
 
Sho wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 17:51:
Or to sum it up more simply: It's entirely believable that some people would have decided not to back the game if those risks had been known to them. Some people would have decided not to back it if it meant supporting a game that wasn't going to be available DRM-free to the general public, because their participation in crowdfunding was motivated by furthering the development of games that are, as Harebrained arguably presented Shadowrun Returns to be one.

They also gave refunds to those whose panties got in a knot over the fact that they were releasing the game on Steam, because the Steam workshop was the best solution for them to host user-made content. So boohoo for those poor mislead customers who got their money back. Cry

Also, you're not an investor on Kickstarter. In essence, Kickstarter is a gift. You never see a dime of profit on your gift, and if the project goes belly-up, you're basically SOL, unless the guys you gave money to are very honorable men and pay you back.

You give them money to help them make something, and in return they give you a promise of a game if it ever gets made, and a t-shirt and some stickers.

This is not investing, and it's a good thing it isn't. If Kickstarter was considered an investment platform, the FTC would be all OVER that motherfucker.
 
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35. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 17:51 Sho
 
Flatline wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 17:38:
Some people had meweling purple kittens when it was announced the game would be steam-centric. During the kickstarter they promised backers DRM free software. While they delivered that to kickstarters it wasn't enough because apparently on that shoestring budget Hairbrained should have created a centralized distribution mod database system in addition to delivering a longer game with more content and free hookers and blow for everyone who ordered.

These are often the same people who when a new, great game comes out they'll automatically post "waiting for the 5 dollar steam sale".

Yeah ... or you could represent the concerns and the criticism people had accurately:

Kickstarter is not a shop, it's a crowdfunding platform. Backers aren't customers, they're more like investors. They bear a risk. Given that, they have an obvious interest in mitigating their risk by being well-informed in advance of making their decision to back a project.

Now, crowdfunding, especially at the time, also had a few of the qualities of a social movement - a fact that Harebrained's pitch certainly tapped into and benefited from. The ideas floating around at the time involved for example cutting out middle-men between customer and game maker, increased transparency and additional freedoms for both game makers and customers (which DRM runs counter to).

In this context, Harebrained clearly made a mistake in not being explicit in their pitch about the fact that they had to license Shadowrun from Microsoft, and more importantly that Microsoft might, and ultimately did, put restrictions on them that initially precluded them from offering more than the base game DRM-free.

Or to sum it up more simply: It's entirely believable that some people would have decided not to back the game if those risks had been known to them. Some people would have decided not to back it if it meant supporting a game that wasn't going to be available DRM-free to the general public, because their participation in crowdfunding was motivated by furthering the development of games that are, as Harebrained arguably presented Shadowrun Returns to be one. They squandered quite a bit of trust with that -- but at least for myself, that they worked to resolve the situation restores a lot of it.

As for Steam specifically, see the earlier post.
 
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34. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 17:38 Flatline
 
ForgedReality wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 10:20:
Sho wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 10:16:
El Pit wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 09:54:
A Berliner would say: Ick bin een Berliner. Right, Sho? ;)

Right on.
That seems like Swedish or something, not German. And anyway, it should be "Ich bin Berliner!" if you're talking about being a person of Berlin. Otherwise you're saying something completely different.

And none of this has to do with Shadowrun Returns. Therefore, um... What the hell is wrong with Steam? I've experienced zero issues with it. O.o

Some people had meweling purple kittens when it was announced the game would be steam-centric. During the kickstarter they promised backers DRM free software. While they delivered that to kickstarters it wasn't enough because apparently on that shoestring budget Hairbrained should have created a centralized distribution mod database system in addition to delivering a longer game with more content and free hookers and blow for everyone who ordered.

These are often the same people who when a new, great game comes out they'll automatically post "waiting for the 5 dollar steam sale".
 
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33. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 14:47 Creston
 
"Look, who am I?!"

*goose steps while holding finger under his nose.*

Fawlty Towers is brilliant.
 
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32. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 14:35 El Pit
 
Creston wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 13:41:
El Pit wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 12:53:
Brush up your German for the Berlin expansion.

"Ah, guten tag herr Lofwyr! Wie gehts? Gehts Gut?
...
ach!
...
Ow!
...
Herr Lofwyr! Wofur setze sie meines arsch am feuer?!"


Basil Fawlty: Is there something wrong?
German Guest: Will you stop talking about the war?
Basil Fawlty: Me? You started it.
German Guest: We did not!
Basil Fawlty: Yes, you did. You invaded Poland.

Fawlty Towers - pure genius!
 
Consoles? I owned two: a Pong clone and an Atari 2600. And that's it.
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31. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 14:22 Sho
 
Folks sometimes make fun of my crummy English, then I just tend to ask them how they think they'd do if the conversation was in German instead.  
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30. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 14:20 nin
 
Slashman wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 14:07:
Apparently I'm the only person on this board who doesn't speak German.

Sad

Other than attempting to recite whatever KMFDM is saying, I'm right there with you...

 
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29. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 14:07 Slashman
 
Apparently I'm the only person on this board who doesn't speak German.

Sad
 
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28. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 13:41 Creston
 
El Pit wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 12:53:
Brush up your German for the Berlin expansion.

"Ah, guten tag herr Lofwyr! Wie gehts? Gehts Gut?
...
ach!
...
Ow!
...
Herr Lofwyr! Wofur setze sie meines arsch am feuer?!"

 
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27. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 12:53 El Pit
 
Creston wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 11:48:
El Pit wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 01:22:
Cutter wrote on Nov 12, 2013, 23:38:
Ver ist Berlin?!

Where is Berlin? = Wo ist Berlin?

Who is Berlin? = Wer ist Berlin?

Learning German - Lesson 1


Hey, it's been a long time since I had opportunity to speak it.
Always this damn German with its words that sound just like another word and then mean something different.

Brush up your German for the Berlin expansion.

Oy, Kraut, where's the enemy?
 
Consoles? I owned two: a Pong clone and an Atari 2600. And that's it.
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26. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 11:48 Creston
 
El Pit wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 01:22:
Cutter wrote on Nov 12, 2013, 23:38:
Ver ist Berlin?!

Where is Berlin? = Wo ist Berlin?

Who is Berlin? = Wer ist Berlin?

Learning German - Lesson 1


Hey, it's been a long time since I had opportunity to speak it.
Always this damn German with its words that sound just like another word and then mean something different.
 
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25. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 10:28 Sho
 
ForgedReality wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 10:20:
That seems like Swedish or something, not German. And anyway, it should be "Ich bin Berliner!" if you're talking about being a person of Berlin. Otherwise you're saying something completely different. ;)

Nah, "Ich bin Berliner" and "Ich bin ein Berliner" both work equally well for "I'm hailing from Berlin". The former helps avoid ambiguity with the pastry, but frankly no one's ever truly stumped by that in reality.

As for "Ick bin een Berliner", that's an attempt at a phonetic transcription of the regional dialect around these parts (or "Mundart" to use a colorful German word that roughly translates to "way of the mouth"). Most Berliners of my generation don't actually lay it on that thickly anymore tho.

And hey, that's all totally relevant for Shadowrun Returns! I'd love to see the Berlin expansion add some local flair, globalization or not. The first screenshot they showed was of a location seemingly inspired by Berlin's Naturkundemuseum with its standing expo of dinosaur skeletons, that was a nice start.
 
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24. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 10:20 ForgedReality
 
Sho wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 10:16:
El Pit wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 09:54:
A Berliner would say: Ick bin een Berliner. Right, Sho? ;)

Right on.
That seems like Swedish or something, not German. And anyway, it should be "Ich bin Berliner!" if you're talking about being a person of Berlin. Otherwise you're saying something completely different.

And none of this has to do with Shadowrun Returns. Therefore, um... What the hell is wrong with Steam? I've experienced zero issues with it. O.o
 
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23. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 10:16 Sho
 
El Pit wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 09:54:
A Berliner would say: Ick bin een Berliner. Right, Sho? ;)

Right on.
 
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22. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 09:54 El Pit
 
Blue wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 07:34:
El Pit wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 01:22:
Cutter wrote on Nov 12, 2013, 23:38:
Ver ist Berlin?!

Where is Berlin? = Wo ist Berlin?

Who is Berlin? = Wer ist Berlin?

Learning German - Lesson 1


Ich bin ein Berliner!

...said the Prez. No, not you, Presidente for Life. And not you either, Prez.

A Berliner would say: Ick bin een Berliner. Right, Sho?

Haven't bought Shadowrun Returns yet. I will as soon as they add the promised save game feature.
 
Consoles? I owned two: a Pong clone and an Atari 2600. And that's it.
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21. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 09:50 ForgedReality
 
Blue wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 07:34:
El Pit wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 01:22:
Cutter wrote on Nov 12, 2013, 23:38:
Ver ist Berlin?!

Where is Berlin? = Wo ist Berlin?

Who is Berlin? = Wer ist Berlin?

Learning German - Lesson 1


Ich bin ein Berliner!

Delicious!
 
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20. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 09:40 Sho
 
Fibrocyte wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 09:38:
That is whining. He did not state that Steam has value but he wants it to get better.

Yeah, fair enough. I agree there's unbalanced/unpragmatic opinions on both sides of the debate.
 
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19. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 09:38 Fibrocyte
 
Sho wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 08:34:
Fibrocyte wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 07:54:

Steam is so convenient and non-intrusive that I would hesitate to categorize it with typical DRM. Why must people whine so damn much about nothing?

It's not whining to point out that none of Steam's convenience and non-intrusiveness derive from its DRM features; it'd work just as well if it didn't have them, and it would allow users additional freedoms that I've sometimes desired in practice. I use Steam, I get value out of Steam, but I think it could be even better. Fortunately, it actually has been improving, too.

I think having DRM-free purchase options for games only increases the pressure on Steam to improve, so I think it's a good idea to ask for them for that reason alone. However, I've also sometimes explicitly bought a game from a different vendor than Steam because circumstances required me to have those additional freedoms Steam doesn't offer (for example, concurrent logins).

Having an opinion != whining.

I don't disagree with much of what you said, but still stand by what I said. This was the comment I quoted:

"Sooner you do, the sooner I buy! No more money for Gabe Newell's DRM."

That is whining. He did not state that Steam has value but he wants it to get better.
 
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18. Re: Shadowrun Returns DRM Ending Nov 13, 2013, 08:57 Sho
 
nin wrote on Nov 13, 2013, 08:47:

Ich Bin Ein Auslander?


Pro-tip: Instead of dropping the diacritics on vowels (turning e.g. 'ä' into 'a'), you can always just write it out by appending an 'e'. "Auslaender" is equivalent to "Ausländer" in the public understanding.

Trivia: A lot of older German gamers/geeks including myself actually don't write umlauts (ä, ö, ü) in their German online correspondence because they grew up playing games or using systems supporting only ASCII, so they got used to writing them out this way. When I do official paperwork I actually have to remind myself to write them.

(I know it's the song title, but hey, why not go for a TIL opportunity when it presents itself?)

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