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Out of the Blue

The cold weather is starting to roll in around here, indicating mother nature noticed the calendar turning to November. I don't think we've actually had our first frost yet, but I see 31 °F in the forecast for tonight, so that may change soon. No complaints here, though, New York is pretty notoriously a two season area, with winter and summer running right into each other, but we've had a couple of months of genuine autumn this year, which is nice.

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38. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2013, 14:56 Mashiki Amiketo
 
Redmask wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 22:05:
Nope, one is just a parrot.
Right, have you ever sat down and read one of the assessments from front to back? Ever see the 'listed sources' with no actual source evidence available. Ever read the mandate of values. Right. Get back to me when you do, and you discover the magical reality that it's a political body.
 
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37. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2013, 11:01 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Nov 6, 2013, 10:14:
Yeah you do, you've been moderated countless times for personal attacks, I can go dig them up in seconds so don't bother lying, it's pretty simple to search your username for moderated posts. Stop blaming your problems on everyone else, try actually changing your actions and maybe people will respond better.

No one cares about how much you hate Obama or whatever, it's the way you present it that sucks and pisses everyone off to the point where you're not even taken seriously.

Anyways I'm really fed up with you and I'm super patient so just give it a rest for awhile, sheesh. Maybe act like a normal person and interact with people without pushing your politics on them, doing the HURR BOONEWS EA stuff or attacking them, see what that experience is like. You might even like it!

This has fallen off the front page so I'm done checking it now, don't bother with a big comeback about Obama and leftwing rahrah, I'm not reading it. Just think about what I said. You make an effort to change and I will do my best to help you with the people who hold past grudges.

LOL that's because some hit the report button based on the name. I could point you to at least a dozen personal attacks against me that have gone unmodded even though they've been reported. It's obvious people don't like being called out on their bullshit.
 
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36. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2013, 10:14 Verno
 
Yeah you do, you've been moderated countless times for personal attacks, I can go dig them up in seconds so don't bother lying, it's pretty simple to search your username for moderated posts. Stop blaming your problems on everyone else, try actually changing your actions and maybe people will respond better.

No one cares about how much you hate Obama or whatever, it's the way you present it that sucks and pisses everyone off to the point where you're not even taken seriously.

Anyways I'm really fed up with you and I'm super patient so just give it a rest for awhile, sheesh. Maybe act like a normal person and interact with people without pushing your politics on them, doing the HURR BOONEWS EA stuff or attacking them, see what that experience is like. You might even like it!

This has fallen off the front page so I'm done checking it now, don't bother with a big comeback about Obama and leftwing rahrah, I'm not reading it. Just think about what I said. You make an effort to change and I will do my best to help you with the people who hold past grudges.

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35. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2013, 10:03 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Nov 6, 2013, 09:42:
At the rate you're going you'll have your own echo chamber soon enough Thundr. I can think of less than 10 posters who will even respond to you at this point and if you keep getting on my nerves it'll be 9.

Verno, I'm not the one who tosses out constant personal attacks with zero substance, Nin and Red do that constantly, and not just to me. It's fine to disagree with someone's political leanings, that's not what these guys do, they cry troll this and troll that, while trolling themselves. Can you honestly tell me the last time nin for example contributed substance or a well thought out opinion to a political thread that wasn't a one line insult at someone? I can't.

Excuse me for being passionate about wanting to right the ship and not watch the US spend itself into oblivion, because I'll tell you man, the 200 million we spend a day right now that we don't actually have to spend? Isn't sustainable, and if we don't address it rather than focus on distractions like climate change and Obamacare, in the end all the social issues in the world aren't going to matter.
 
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34. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2013, 09:42 Verno
 
At the rate you're going you'll have your own echo chamber soon enough Thundr. I can think of less than 10 posters who will even respond to you at this point and if you keep getting on my nerves it'll be 9.  
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33. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2013, 07:25 RollinThundr
 
Redmask wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 23:48:
Your opinions don't matter to me and I'm not interested in hearing your political agenda and false impressions of other peoples beliefs.

In fact I think it's time I took others advice and made use of the sites ignore feature, you are clearly not worth the time it takes to type up responses. Goodbye.

Enjoy your echo chamber.
 
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32. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 23:48 Redmask
 
Your opinions don't matter to me and I'm not interested in hearing your political agenda and false impressions of other peoples beliefs.

In fact I think it's time I took others advice and made use of the sites ignore feature, you are clearly not worth the time it takes to type up responses. Goodbye.

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31. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 23:27 RollinThundr
 
Redmask wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 22:05:
You two have GOT to be the same person. Good job fooling all of us!

Nope, one is just a parrot.

That's cute red, you and nin wanna throw some more adhoms out or do you want to discuss something for once? Are you disappointed in the anointed one yet? Considering now he's trying spin his lie about coverage with more lies rather than just owning up to it? Awesome legacy your buddy has btw, millions losing their coverage so those that live off the tit can be rewarded for it? Must be happy days in liberal land right about now. Won't be long before his approval rating is as low as Congress' is, maybe people will start waking up and realizing what a fraud Barack Obama is.
 
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30. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 22:05 Redmask
 
You two have GOT to be the same person. Good job fooling all of us!

Nope, one is just a parrot.
 
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29. Re: Leaked Climate Change Report Predicts Violent, Poorer, Sicker Future. Nov 5, 2013, 18:59 RollinThundr
 
ForgedReality wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 17:07:
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Nov 4, 2013, 15:58:
Never mind that there's enough errors in the IPCC reports(useful tip: it's a political body, not a scientific one), that you could drown yourself in them.

RollinThundr wrote on Nov 4, 2013, 20:40:
IPCC reports have big enough holes in them to drive a semi through, they're also a known political body, not a scientific one.

You two have GOT to be the same person. Good job fooling all of us!

Naw I'm only me, I think if there were two of me a few heads might implode on here. Not all of us are sheepies who buy into all the shit politicians like Al "I created the internet" Gore are shoveling.

And really, trying to debate most left of center folks is like smashing your face into a brick wall. Shit there's still people that are denying that Obama lied that people would end up losing their insurance, when it was obviously known 3+ years ago, by the liberals it would happen.

It's one of the reasons I lean more conservative, most republican politicians lie as well, liberals like Obama tell more lies than truth to begin with. Lesser of the two evils at this point.
 
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28. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 17:09 ForgedReality
 
Numinar wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 08:30:
On the bright side, at least there is a large segment of Conservative America actually aggressively promoting facts regarding geological history instead of pandering to young earthers!

And now I am even more scared. My daughter has to grow up in this mess you monsters.

That's your fault for illogically having kids when the end of the world is just around the corner. Crazy fuck.
 
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27. Re: Leaked Climate Change Report Predicts Violent, Poorer, Sicker Future. Nov 5, 2013, 17:07 ForgedReality
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Nov 4, 2013, 15:58:
Never mind that there's enough errors in the IPCC reports(useful tip: it's a political body, not a scientific one), that you could drown yourself in them.

RollinThundr wrote on Nov 4, 2013, 20:40:
IPCC reports have big enough holes in them to drive a semi through, they're also a known political body, not a scientific one.

You two have GOT to be the same person. Good job fooling all of us!
 
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26. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 14:46 Redmask
 
Verno wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 14:15:
Do you really see India being an industrial superpower like the US and China? I can't say that I see them being a factor for a long time, they seem more destined for a services oriented economy.

I think we're seeing a manufacturing boom there right now and if they can overcome infrastructure and land ownership problems then we'll definitely see them on the same level as China one day. The major steel corps are fighting a big battle there right now due to all of the land disputes, it's really holding them back.

US CO2 emissions are results of several factors tied to our reliance on fossil fuels but I really don't want to dump money haphazardly into government programs and oversight when many alternatives are not as affordable, sustainable or come with their own set of pollution challenges.
 
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25. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 14:15 Verno
 
Redmask wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 13:53:
Interesting points. I brought up India due to their rapid growth and where I suspect their industrialization efforts will be in 20 years. China and the US are very co-dependent at this point but I'm not very optimistic about regulation in either country, the US due to the rise of corporate power in politics and China due to their continual need for growth to keep the population happy outstripping other concerns. The US per capita figures are much higher than I recall though, that's disconcerting.

Do you really see India being an industrial superpower like the US and China? I can't say that I see them being a factor for a long time, they seem more destined for a services oriented economy. I can't say I agree with you that we need to bring China into the fold before we commit to significantly reducing our CO2 emissions, the Chinese have years of environmental study and impact catch up that needs to happen before they take it seriously. I just don't see an easy solution that doesn't involve major disruption to several industries.
 
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24. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 14:01 RollinThundr
 
Redmask wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 13:53:
Orogogus wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 13:41:
In most graphs of CO2 emissions that I've seen, there are only two major players -- China and the US. Everyone else is in a pile sitting at the baseline of the graph. India does show up in graphs of methane, but usually the climate change discussion centers on CO2. And the tone is usually that China doesn't get to be an industrialized nation until they find some way to cut their population in third. Per capita the US emits nearly 4 times the CO2 of China, and it's not hard to argue that it ties into China's ability to raise its population out of poverty levels.

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Interesting points. I brought up India due to their rapid growth and where I suspect their industrialization efforts will be in 20 years. China and the US are very co-dependent at this point but I'm not very optimistic about regulation in either country, the US due to the rise of corporate power in politics and China due to their continual need for growth to keep the population happy outstripping other concerns. The US per capita figures are much higher than I recall though, that's disconcerting.

You talk as though corporate power in US politics is somehow just a recent revelation. Rise up? Guy it's been going on forever.
 
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23. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 13:53 Redmask
 
Orogogus wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 13:41:
In most graphs of CO2 emissions that I've seen, there are only two major players -- China and the US. Everyone else is in a pile sitting at the baseline of the graph. India does show up in graphs of methane, but usually the climate change discussion centers on CO2. And the tone is usually that China doesn't get to be an industrialized nation until they find some way to cut their population in third. Per capita the US emits nearly 4 times the CO2 of China, and it's not hard to argue that it ties into China's ability to raise its population out of poverty levels.

EPA graph
Graph at Nature
Table & per capita comparison

Interesting points. I brought up India due to their rapid growth and where I suspect their industrialization efforts will be in 20 years. China and the US are very co-dependent at this point but I'm not very optimistic about regulation in either country, the US due to the rise of corporate power in politics and China due to their continual need for growth to keep the population happy outstripping other concerns. The US per capita figures are much higher than I recall though, that's disconcerting.
 
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22. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 13:45 RollinThundr
 
Redmask wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 12:38:
You aren't a credible conservative so your judgement means nothing to me and I don't believe you have any knowledge to offer on this subject, just more insane lefty ranting that I could get on the radio if I wanted it so thanks but no thanks.

lol I can't dispute what you said, hold on incoming ad hom. It's the same thing everytime with you people, it's like clockwork at this point. Get educated seriously.
 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 13:41 Orogogus
 
Redmask wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 12:09:
I don't support pouring a lot of money into it until someone comes up with an action plan that involves China and India.

In most graphs of CO2 emissions that I've seen, there are only two major players -- China and the US. Everyone else is in a pile sitting at the baseline of the graph. India does show up in graphs of methane, but usually the climate change discussion centers on CO2. And the tone is usually that China doesn't get to be an industrialized nation until they find some way to cut their population in third. Per capita the US emits nearly 4 times the CO2 of China, and it's not hard to argue that it ties into China's ability to raise its population out of poverty levels.

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20. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 12:38 Redmask
 
You aren't a credible conservative so your judgement means nothing to me and I don't believe you have any knowledge to offer on this subject, just more insane lefty ranting that I could get on the radio if I wanted it so thanks but no thanks.  
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2013, 12:27 RollinThundr
 
Redmask wrote on Nov 5, 2013, 12:09:
It's not my fault you're poorly educated and inarticulate

I don't lean one way or another on everything because I'm an adult who makes up his mind based on issue context, not what the tellie and insane radio talkshows say.

There isn't a lot of credible disagreement on climate change anyway, it's more about the timeline and model adjustments. The real question is what impact we can have without a unified world effort and that's why I don't support pouring a lot of money into it until someone comes up with an action plan that involves China and India.

To say the whole argument with climate change wasn't started by the left, looking to justify yet another tax to fuel our government's addiction to spending money it doesn't have in the first place is dishonest.

Do I think there's a man made contribution? Sure, but they've been proclaiming the same doom and gloom for years now, remember the incoming ice age in the 50's? No different than the doom and gloom they're promoting today, all in the desire for more money.

For someone who doesn't lean one way or the other you much like beamer, only seem to attack conservatives in political posts. Wonder why that is Mr. Bastion of non partisanship.
 
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