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14. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 3, 2013, 10:11 Redmask
 
entr0py wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 16:48:
For Microsoft developed games, they genuinely do have control over what is transmitted over the network, and if video is never transmitted, it also can't be intercepted. As for 3rd party software, I would imagine sending a video stream would be something that wouldn't be hard to detect, and not really in the interest of game developers to do that in secret anyway.

Now, Skype calls are a whole other story, I'd be surprised if spy agencies aren't capable of monitoring them.

Of course they're capable of monitoring them, Microsoft built it in for them and will do the same for other services.
 
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13. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 3, 2013, 09:09 Pigeon
 
I'm sure the ToS contains something along the lines of

'if you transmit any data through the xbone or xbone network we can use it however we want regardless of copyright status. Also if you dare use any of our logos, random words or fan created videos we will sue the shit out of you.

So while they say they won't do that they'll legally reserve the right to do it. One quick firmware or software update with "camera enhancements" is all they'd need to do.
 
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12. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 3, 2013, 06:57 NKD
 
nin wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 16:48:
Cutter wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 16:24:
LurkerLito wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 12:43:
It can't send an image, just a numerical representation of your facial features. That is definitely identifiable info. If they are measuring the distance between the eyes, the eye shape, the nose and it's shape, the ratio between the distances of the eyes, nose, mouth, hairline. You can come up with a potential pool who that person is simply by using the IP address from the XBone, that facial info, and calculate similar info within certain ranges from freely available pictures from facebook, google, instagram, etc... that came from the same general area of the IP and do a comparison. That will get you down to a small number of suspected people. If any agency would want a nearly perfect confirmation, they'd just have to do a drive by with a kinect camera on that small pool of suspects to see if they'd get the same info. They'd probably be able to get it down to the actual person by then depending on how accurate the Kinect actually is.

Why would the feds do that when they'll just go in through the backdoor that MS has so kindly provided and turn the camera on - without signifying that it's on - and watch away real time?

How much do you want to bet within the next few years we'll see a news story of the cops or feds doing precisely this? And it'll come out they've been doing it on a massive scale. Then all the PS4 people can sit back and laugh their asses off.

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11. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 3, 2013, 05:43 xXBatmanXx
 
Xbox One: 'Kinect Cannot Transmit Facial Images'. After all, how could a camera do that?


 
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10. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 2, 2013, 22:23 JediPunisher
 
Xbox One: 'Kinect Cannot Transmit Facial Images'

Probably a good thing, since most XBone owners (including myself) will have sour faces after sinking 500 bucks
on a next-gen console that will only play COD at the same 720p as their 8 year old 360. Urk
 
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9. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 2, 2013, 16:48 nin
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 16:24:
LurkerLito wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 12:43:
It can't send an image, just a numerical representation of your facial features. That is definitely identifiable info. If they are measuring the distance between the eyes, the eye shape, the nose and it's shape, the ratio between the distances of the eyes, nose, mouth, hairline. You can come up with a potential pool who that person is simply by using the IP address from the XBone, that facial info, and calculate similar info within certain ranges from freely available pictures from facebook, google, instagram, etc... that came from the same general area of the IP and do a comparison. That will get you down to a small number of suspected people. If any agency would want a nearly perfect confirmation, they'd just have to do a drive by with a kinect camera on that small pool of suspects to see if they'd get the same info. They'd probably be able to get it down to the actual person by then depending on how accurate the Kinect actually is.

Why would the feds do that when they'll just go in through the backdoor that MS has so kindly provided and turn the camera on - without signifying that it's on - and watch away real time?

How much do you want to bet within the next few years we'll see a news story of the cops or feds doing precisely this? And it'll come out they've been doing it on a massive scale. Then all the PS4 people can sit back and laugh their asses off.

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8. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 2, 2013, 16:48 entr0py
 
For Microsoft developed games, they genuinely do have control over what is transmitted over the network, and if video is never transmitted, it also can't be intercepted. As for 3rd party software, I would imagine sending a video stream would be something that wouldn't be hard to detect, and not really in the interest of game developers to do that in secret anyway.

Now, Skype calls are a whole other story, I'd be surprised if spy agencies aren't capable of monitoring them.
 
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7. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 2, 2013, 16:24 Cutter
 
LurkerLito wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 12:43:
It can't send an image, just a numerical representation of your facial features. That is definitely identifiable info. If they are measuring the distance between the eyes, the eye shape, the nose and it's shape, the ratio between the distances of the eyes, nose, mouth, hairline. You can come up with a potential pool who that person is simply by using the IP address from the XBone, that facial info, and calculate similar info within certain ranges from freely available pictures from facebook, google, instagram, etc... that came from the same general area of the IP and do a comparison. That will get you down to a small number of suspected people. If any agency would want a nearly perfect confirmation, they'd just have to do a drive by with a kinect camera on that small pool of suspects to see if they'd get the same info. They'd probably be able to get it down to the actual person by then depending on how accurate the Kinect actually is.

Why would the feds do that when they'll just go in through the backdoor that MS has so kindly provided and turn the camera on - without signifying that it's on - and watch away real time?

How much do you want to bet within the next few years we'll see a news story of the cops or feds doing precisely this? And it'll come out they've been doing it on a massive scale. Then all the PS4 people can sit back and laugh their asses off.
 
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6. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 2, 2013, 15:03 jdreyer
 
So much cynicism! Much ado about nothing. I'm sure Microsoft has your best interests in mind. They've always protected our privacy before.  
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5. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 2, 2013, 13:01 JohnnyRotten
 
'Kinect Cannot Transmit Facial Images'*

* Today. We of course reserve the right to change the T&C at any time. By accepting the initial T&C, you've already agreed to let us make these changes.**

** Because fuck you.
 
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4. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 2, 2013, 12:43 LurkerLito
 
It can't send an image, just a numerical representation of your facial features. That is definitely identifiable info. If they are measuring the distance between the eyes, the eye shape, the nose and it's shape, the ratio between the distances of the eyes, nose, mouth, hairline. You can come up with a potential pool who that person is simply by using the IP address from the XBone, that facial info, and calculate similar info within certain ranges from freely available pictures from facebook, google, instagram, etc... that came from the same general area of the IP and do a comparison. That will get you down to a small number of suspected people. If any agency would want a nearly perfect confirmation, they'd just have to do a drive by with a kinect camera on that small pool of suspects to see if they'd get the same info. They'd probably be able to get it down to the actual person by then depending on how accurate the Kinect actually is.  
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3. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 2, 2013, 12:09 Slashman
 
Your identity protected. Now get back to getting busy!!!  
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2. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 2, 2013, 12:07 wtf_man
 
It's a trick statement.

Kinect definitely cannot transmit your face.
However, the XBone that it is connected to, can.

 
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1. Re: Saturday Consolidation Nov 2, 2013, 11:24 Julio
 
So Kinect will hide people's faces when it transmits their bedroom activities.  
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