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59. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 18:12 scarlet
 
HorrorScope wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:01:
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:37:
If you don't like a law like Obamacare, you cannot flee to another state. If you don't like the state income tax of a state like New York, you can migrate to Texas, example. If the Federal gov't decided the state income tax nationwide, which they'd love to do, there would be no escape.

True and that sounds right in a way, but then you can look at things differently and find good and bad. For example if the Federal defined a state income tax nationwide, then you wouldn't have companies uprooting 1000's moving state to state for the next sweetheart deal. That would actually be good to stabilize families. Not saying that is right or not, but a way to see a benefit if there was one state tax. It's actually complex and costly doing business in the US. In business in many ways it's like 50 different companies. While most other countries its just the country. Canada with much less providences than the US has states, it's still pretty complex dealing with them as they have some serious variances between the providences.

We don't have a federally mandated state tax now and the relocation of companies is not huge deal. Companies, states, and people SHOULD have the autonomy to set taxes and decide where they wish to locate. It's called freedom. To impose such a tax is dictocratic and robs us of our liberties.

You're almost making my case for me. If government is complex, that's government's fault and our fault partially for electing corrupt politicians. My argument is for moving away from that.
 
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58. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 18:08 Mad Max RW
 
HorrorScope wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:05:
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:03:
They would declare bankruptcy or go overseas instead.

And there is how you fix it all without a revolution my friends. Free one-way tickets.

It's why Detroit is a wasteland.
 
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57. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 18:07 Draugr
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:40:
It's impossible to say with any accuracy at all, but it would be really interesting to know what North America would be like now if the Confederate States had left the US. With the US lead largely on US liberal lines (which is still quite right-wing by global standards, in so far as "left" and "right" isn't bullshit) and the confederate states lead on some sort of libertarian/Tea Party combination.

We all think we know of course. We all think that <<my ideology here>> would be strong and stable while <<other ideology>> would be economically crippled. Of course <<my ideology>> would be the land of the free while <<other ideology>> would be an authoritarian nightmare because one of the weird things about the US left versus right shit slinging is that both sides think the other are bigoted fascists. Perhaps because some members of each side are bigoted fascists, but <<other ideology>> definitely has more. <<ideology-affirming TV network>> said so.

That doesn't work because one of those nations would have institutionalized slavery, (provided it wasn't done away with later) So the whole "who is more free" thing would only apply if you were talking to white people, heh.
 
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56. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 18:05 HorrorScope
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:03:
They would declare bankruptcy or go overseas instead.

And there is how you fix it all without a revolution my friends. Free one-way tickets.
 
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55. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 18:03 Mad Max RW
 
HorrorScope wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:01:
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:37:
If you don't like a law like Obamacare, you cannot flee to another state. If you don't like the state income tax of a state like New York, you can migrate to Texas, example. If the Federal gov't decided the state income tax nationwide, which they'd love to do, there would be no escape.

True and that sounds right in a way, but then you can look at things differently and find good and bad. For example if the Federal defined a state income tax nationwide, then you wouldn't have companies uprooting 1000's moving state to state for the next sweetheart deal. That would actually be good to stabilize families. Not saying that is right or not, but a way to see a benefit if there was one state tax. It's actually complex and costly doing business in the US. In business in many ways it's like 50 different companies. While most other countries its just the country. Canada with much less providences than the US has states, it's still pretty complex dealing with them as they have some serious variances between the providences.

They would declare bankruptcy or go overseas instead.
 
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54. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 18:02 Draugr
 
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:49:
France is fine? With a growth rate of 0.0%? What would be great be? What would bad be?

Let me be more specific, 'just fine' can obviously be very ambiguous, France is plodding along and while growth hasn't been explosive, it HAS been there (commendable when that isn't the case compared to the norm) and has been reducing their defecits quite a bit in the meantime, while avoiding explosive unemployment like others have suffered, which also means growth isn't as important as it is in these other situation (though it is still good.) They seem to be on the road to recovery and in this regard they are doing 'just fine'

Also I don't know where you got a zero number, unless it's outdated data. The growth isn't big but its there, which is better than many can say.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/france/gdp-growth
 
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53. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 18:01 HorrorScope
 
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:37:
If you don't like a law like Obamacare, you cannot flee to another state. If you don't like the state income tax of a state like New York, you can migrate to Texas, example. If the Federal gov't decided the state income tax nationwide, which they'd love to do, there would be no escape.

True and that sounds right in a way, but then you can look at things differently and find good and bad. For example if the Federal defined a state income tax nationwide, then you wouldn't have companies uprooting 1000's moving state to state for the next sweetheart deal. That would actually be good to stabilize families. Not saying that is right or not, but a way to see a benefit if there was one state tax. It's actually complex and costly doing business in the US. In business in many ways it's like 50 different companies. While most other countries its just the country. Canada with much less providences than the US has states, it's still pretty complex dealing with them as they have some serious variances between the providences.
 
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52. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:56 HorrorScope
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:32:
You guys realize that the EU hasn't actually disappeared into a black hole? Some of the countries have very serious debt problems, sure, but we're still here. I'm still here.

Quboiid you out did yourself, that time machine of yours worked! lol
 
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51. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:54 HorrorScope
 
Dirwulf wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 16:31:
Draugr wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 16:20:
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 14:29:
The tea party movement is truly a grassroots movement, not a giant political machine like the Republican or Democratic parties.

Hahaha.

I guess he's never heard of the Koch brothers.

And when you hate govt's, you have the other side and without govt's they'd just run you over and give 2 shits about their incidents:

"From 1999 to 2003, Koch Industries was assessed "more than $400 million in fines, penalties and judgments."

In 2000, for its 300 reported oil spills which had taken place across six states, Koch paid the largest civil fine ever imposed on a company under any federal environmental law for the illegal discharge of crude oil and petroleum products. In a settlement with the U.S. Justice Department and the state of Texas, the company agreed to pay a "$30 million civil penalty, improve its leak-prevention programs and spend $5 million on environmental projects."
 
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50. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:49 scarlet
 
Draugr wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:40:
Quboid wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:32:
You guys realise that the EU hasn't actually disappeared into a black hole? Some of the countries have very serious debt problems, sure, but we're still here. I'm still here.

Most of the EU has economic growth and only the basket cases (Greece and Cyprus) are showing big problems. Spain and Italy are still struggling, not as much but as they're much larger countries any problems are magnified.

And they need to deal with the Euro, which makes their situation totally different than ours, as we have control over our currency, and for many of those EU nations that cannot be said. The Comparisons just don't hold up, there are too many differences when you're not in charge of your own currency.

Also there are many EU nations that are recovering just fine. France, for example.

France is fine? With a growth rate of 0.0%? What would be great be? What would bad be?
 
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49. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:46 Beamer
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 16:53:
Beamer wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 16:44:
Dirwulf wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 16:31:
Draugr wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 16:20:
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 14:29:
The tea party movement is truly a grassroots movement, not a giant political machine like the Republican or Democratic parties.

Hahaha.

I guess he's never heard of the Koch brothers.
The Tea Party was grass roots, true. Then, as mentioned, it became the tool of billionaires looking to control us.

The sad thing is people think it's trying to do the opposite. The tea party gets people up in arms over controlling stupid shit, like how large a soda you can buy, while making its party members believe it's ok to control the shit that matters, like your reproductive system.

Look over there, a three headed monkey!

People (mainly the liberal media) conveniently forget the Tea Party was founded by a single woman in response to everyone's outrage over the 2008 bailout George W. Bush signed. If the kiddies had any sense at all they'd do a little research instead of happily eating up the lying bullshit and bigotry they hear on MSNBC and the Daily Show. You should be on your hands and knees kissing the Tea Party's ass for going against progressives in both parties who are spending the country into an EU-like oblivion.

"Founded by" would be the "was" part.
"Founded by" != "currently is."
 
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48. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:46 scarlet
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:32:
You guys realise that the EU hasn't actually disappeared into a black hole? Some of the countries have very serious debt problems, sure, but we're still here. I'm still here.

Most of the EU has economic growth and only the basket cases (Greece and Cyprus) are showing big problems. Spain and Italy are still struggling, not as much but as they're much larger countries any problems are magnified.

Europe has big problems. Suffice it to say, growth rates in Europe are pretty anemic like the US right now. The highest performing economy is Lithuania at 3.6%, but they are very different from the rest of Europe as they've gone through some serious waste-cutting to get where they are. Norway is at 3% but most are much lower (Greece is at -6%). The stalwart powerhouse, Germany, is only at .7%. I wouldn't be rejoicing over that. If that's the high bar, I'd hate to see things get worse.
 
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47. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:40 Draugr
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:32:
You guys realise that the EU hasn't actually disappeared into a black hole? Some of the countries have very serious debt problems, sure, but we're still here. I'm still here.

Most of the EU has economic growth and only the basket cases (Greece and Cyprus) are showing big problems. Spain and Italy are still struggling, not as much but as they're much larger countries any problems are magnified.

And they need to deal with the Euro, which makes their situation totally different than ours, as we have control over our currency, and for many of those EU nations that cannot be said. The Comparisons just don't hold up, there are too many differences when you're not in charge of your own currency.

Also there are many EU nations that are recovering just fine. France, for example.
 
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46. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 17:40 Quboid
 
It's impossible to say with any accuracy at all, but it would be really interesting to know what North America would be like now if the Confederate States had left the US. With the US lead largely on US liberal lines (which is still quite right-wing by global standards, in so far as "left" and "right" isn't bullshit) and the confederate states lead on some sort of libertarian/Tea Party combination.

We all think we know of course. We all think that <<my ideology here>> would be strong and stable while <<other ideology>> would be economically crippled. Of course <<my ideology>> would be the land of the free while <<other ideology>> would be an authoritarian nightmare because one of the weird things about the US left versus right shit slinging is that both sides think the other are bigoted fascists. Perhaps because some members of each side are bigoted fascists, but <<other ideology>> definitely has more. <<ideology-affirming TV network>> said so.
 
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45. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:39 MattyC
 
Watching lots of people pretend that the two political parties are actually different or not rampantly corrupt is too funny!

Popcorn

In terms of rhetoric I guess there is some difference, but other than the ACA (and something like that was coming either way) there is almost no difference between this president and the last. People still go cheer for team red or team blue though...
 
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44. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 17:37 scarlet
 
I assume nothing. Look at congresses approval rating.

On both sides, people and issues are exploited to score political points. This is not about an ideology. It's about returning power to the people. As you move further away from the local circle, the individual's power is diminished.

At the federal level, the individual has very little power. Which is why the framers of the Constitution kept the Federal gov't limited in it scope of authority.

If you don't like a law like Obamacare, you cannot flee to another state. If you don't like the state income tax of a state like New York, you can migrate to Texas, example. If the Federal gov't decided the state income tax nationwide, which they'd love to do, there would be no escape. Now everybody has Obamacare (passed in the cover of darkness under a briefly controlled democrat House and Senate) dropped on them like a hammer with nowhere to run. The young and healthy like myself will pay through the nose.

 
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43. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:32 Draugr
 
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:20:
Beamer, I wouldn't say conservatives/tea party-types were up in arms of the soda ordinance in NYC-mischaracterization. But, they did how asinine it was that Bloomberg feels people are incompetent to decide for themselves what size cola they wish to drink.

"Control your reproductive systems"? Are you speaking about the killing of unborn children? We can all agree pedophilia/sexual exploitation and predation is disgusting and reprehensible, but on the same hand the killing of an unborn is something that should be protected?

A person can be tried for double homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered. Isn't life worth protecting or has society become so deprived of humanity?


"The tea party gets people up in arms over controlling stupid shit, like how large a soda you can buy, while making its party members believe it's ok to control the shit that matters, like your reproductive system."

Called it, Beamer!
 
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42. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:32 Quboid
 
You guys realise that the EU hasn't actually disappeared into a black hole? Some of the countries have very serious debt problems, sure, but we're still here. I'm still here.

Most of the EU has economic growth and only the basket cases (Greece and Cyprus) are showing big problems. Spain and Italy are still struggling, not as much but as they're much larger countries any problems are magnified.
 
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41. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:25 scarlet
 
Liberals such as Nancy Pelosi and all of MSNBC were quick to claim Occupy Wall Street was a grass roots movement when they were funded by the likes of SEIU. There's your comparison. And judging by how much of a disaster that was I'd rather side with the Tea Party.

Most of the people on this site and similar video game websites where they discuss politics are really really really ignorant as to who is running what and where the money comes from and how much. It's also very telling that most of them are liberal college students, aka "low information voters".

I couldn't agree more, Mad Max. On campus I'm surrounded by them. It's like they've lost the ability to reason for themselves. I'd say they are no-information or misinformation voters.
 
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40. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 17:25 Mad Max RW
 
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:20:

"Control your reproductive systems"? Are you speaking about the killing of unborn children? We can all agree pedophilia/sexual exploitation and predation is disgusting and reprehensible, but on the same hand the killing of an unborn is something that should be protected?

A person can be tried for double homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered. Isn't life worth protecting or has society become so deprived of humanity?


That's another thing that makes me laugh/cringe. How often is someone getting abortions do they feel threatened by the Tea Party or other conservatives? Maybe you have bigger personal problems to deal with first.
 
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