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79. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 21:16 Quboid
 
I googled it. His numbers are in the low forties although I did come across one from a few days ago that said 37%. I don't know which polls are most reliable but I'm confident scarlet didn't cherry pick the 37% one because they liked the look of it most.



I don't know why I get involved in these threads. I enjoy it in a strange way, obviously. Picking apart stupid arguments is enjoyable but I'm well aware that others think they're picking apart my arguments. I'm right and they're wrong, of course, but they don't know that.
 
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78. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 21:12 Quboid
 
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 20:53:
The media in the States is heavily liberal by all accounts.

By the way, you realise why the media appears to be heavily liberal? It's because you're on the far right. That's just common sense, if we reduce political views to a left-right axis and if everything you see is to your left, guess where you are?

Maybe you realise this and are fine with that, which is your prerogative. Just remember if everything's to your left, you're at the extreme.

Or maybe you imagine that the leftist media don't represent Americans. Because that's how you stay in business. How can the media be so left wing when Fox News brags about being the most viewed news network? Is Fox News to your left and if so, are you really comfortable with that?
 
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77. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 21:08 Mad Max RW
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 21:03:
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 20:53:
The latest numbers have his approval rating pegged at 37%. I don't know about what that would mean in Sweden, but that's very unpopular for a president here. I do not know how he's able to keep it that high, truthfully.

The media in the States is heavily liberal by all accounts. They are virtual mouthpieces for the White House and the prez's administration.

What is your source for this 37% claim?

"By all accounts" is wrong, even as an exaggeration. The perception in much of the UK is that the media in the US is considered to be right-wing, with Fox being the most famous - and infamous. I believe this is the same through-out much of the world, probably more-so.

(Kudos, Prez, on getting the media on your side. What's your plans there, stir up an outcry against DRM?)

Currently journalists in the US identifying as liberals outnumber conservatives 7:1 or 8:1. Look it up yourself.

If you want evidence of Obama's 37% approval just google it. Jeez. The AP had a long article on it a few days ago.
 
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76. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 21:03 Quboid
 
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 20:53:
The latest numbers have his approval rating pegged at 37%. I don't know about what that would mean in Sweden, but that's very unpopular for a president here. I do not know how he's able to keep it that high, truthfully.

The media in the States is heavily liberal by all accounts. They are virtual mouthpieces for the White House and the prez's administration.

What is your source for this 37% claim?

"By all accounts" is wrong, even as an exaggeration. The perception in much of the UK is that the media in the US is considered to be right-wing, with Fox being the most famous - and infamous. I believe this is the same through-out much of the world, probably more-so.

(Kudos, Prez, on getting the media on your side. What's your plans there, stir up an outcry against DRM?)
 
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75. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 20:57 Mad Max RW
 
Prez wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 20:26:
I'm a little surprised to see Blue link to such a politically charged topic as "Obamacare", but hey, it's his site.

I have deliberately remained mostly ignorant on the ACA so I could see for myself what it entailed instead of having someone else explain their version of the truth of it to me. Honestly, from what I've seen so far my reaction is one of "THIS is what the fuss is all about?" I assumed when the talking heads were calling it socialized medicine that it would mean free health care for those without jobs wholly subsidized by those of us with jobs. Instead it sounds like just any other plan from any other insurance company only with the Federal Government as the administrator. "But Prez, it's forcing companies to provide its full-time employees with healthcare!" To which I say, "And...? That's a bad thing how exactly?" Uninsured people are one of the things that drives the cost of healthcare for everyone - imagine if there were fewer uninsured people!

You can say that the government mandating things to corporations is anti-capitalist and that may be so, but before government regulation of corporations started factory workers who died at their machines from being over-worked and under- nourished were simply pushed out of the way to make room for a live worker to work the machine. Ah the good ole early 1900's, dontcha miss 'em? Corporations have repeatedly shown that often the only way they will do the right thing is if they are made to. So while I am pro-Capitalist in the general sense, the need for government mandates and regulation is obvious to me. Enron and Worldcom anyone?

Obama decided this year to give corporations a 1 year delay while individuals are forced to buy into it or pay a fine. Unions, the biggest supporters of Obamacare, are demanding a complete exemption. What happened to fairness?
 
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74. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 20:54 scarlet
 
swedishfriend wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 20:48:
Creston wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 10:30:
Good work, government. Really, just a job WELL FUCKING DONE. Vote yourselves another raise, you clearly deserve it.

Please everybody, vote all these fucking incumbents out of office at the next election(s).

To be fair: any website that cost a lot of money works like shit. The more money spent seems to be a direct indicator of how much it will suck...

Just like our education system. Thank you, Department of Education.
 
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73. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 20:53 scarlet
 
swedishfriend wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 20:38:
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 11:28:
Necrophob wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 11:08:
Creston wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 10:30:
Good work, government. Really, just a job WELL FUCKING DONE. Vote yourselves another raise, you clearly deserve it.

Please everybody, vote all these fucking incumbents out of office at the next election(s).

I wish it was so easy, but remember, the only idiot you have the power to vote out is YOUR idiot You have no control over all of the other idiots in the House, and their districts are usually so gerrymandered that they have no fear of losing. I saw a statistic on The Daily Show the other day that mentioned that there is a 91% incumbency rate in the House. An MSNBC article mentions that Congressional approval is down to 5%...

Meanwhile Obama's approval is down to a record low of 37%, even lower than Bush's rating at this point in his presidency. When Bush finally reached it after 6 years the liberal dominated media celebrated. Now it's not even being reported by those same hypocrites.

Most polls put Obama's approval around 50%. Maybe that is why the lower number isn't reported? What media is liberal? Even public TV and radio leans right for years now. Are you talking about media in other countries? About 25% of the American public are completely sold on the propaganda and keeps repeating it in the face of all evidence while the rest of the world scratches their heads.

The latest numbers have his approval rating pegged at 37%. I don't know about what that would mean in Sweden, but that's very unpopular for a president here. I do not know how he's able to keep it that high, truthfully.

The media in the States is heavily liberal by all accounts. They are virtual mouthpieces for the White House and the prez's administration.
 
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72. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 20:48 swedishfriend
 
Creston wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 10:30:
Good work, government. Really, just a job WELL FUCKING DONE. Vote yourselves another raise, you clearly deserve it.

Please everybody, vote all these fucking incumbents out of office at the next election(s).

To be fair: any website that cost a lot of money works like shit. The more money spent seems to be a direct indicator of how much it will suck. A site by a major media company will be much worse at finding and playing back a TV show than a fansite would be. Every time.
 
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71. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 20:48 scarlet
 
Regulations can mostly be handled on the state level. Where they cannot be, the Feds need to tread very lightly, because they jeopardize everyone's personal liberties. They have a massive bootprint.

Getting in the insurance business is another thing entirely. The more bureaucracy, the greater the waste and fraud. With the prez pushing our debt through the roof, this was last thing the country needed. Obfuscation on top obfuscation. They did not care. The dems seized their 15 minutes in the spotlight to ram thousands of pages of garbage down the hapless drudges' throats (us)... like a thief in the night.

Problem is government will always seek to aggrandize power whatever the toll it takes on our personal liberties. I say tear down the barriers to obtain a free-market solution that removes government from the equation completely. Tort reform? That will never happen because the dems kowtow to the bar association and the republicans are weak-kneed pansies.
 
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70. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 20:38 swedishfriend
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 11:28:
Necrophob wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 11:08:
Creston wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 10:30:
Good work, government. Really, just a job WELL FUCKING DONE. Vote yourselves another raise, you clearly deserve it.

Please everybody, vote all these fucking incumbents out of office at the next election(s).

I wish it was so easy, but remember, the only idiot you have the power to vote out is YOUR idiot You have no control over all of the other idiots in the House, and their districts are usually so gerrymandered that they have no fear of losing. I saw a statistic on The Daily Show the other day that mentioned that there is a 91% incumbency rate in the House. An MSNBC article mentions that Congressional approval is down to 5%...

Meanwhile Obama's approval is down to a record low of 37%, even lower than Bush's rating at this point in his presidency. When Bush finally reached it after 6 years the liberal dominated media celebrated. Now it's not even being reported by those same hypocrites.

Most polls put Obama's approval around 50%. Maybe that is why the lower number isn't reported? What media is liberal? Even public TV and radio leans right for years now. Are you talking about media in other countries? About 25% of the American public are completely sold on the propaganda and keeps repeating it in the face of all evidence while the rest of the world scratches their heads.
 
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69. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 20:26 Prez
 
I'm a little surprised to see Blue link to such a politically charged topic as "Obamacare", but hey, it's his site.

I have deliberately remained mostly ignorant on the ACA so I could see for myself what it entailed instead of having someone else explain their version of the truth of it to me. Honestly, from what I've seen so far my reaction is one of "THIS is what the fuss is all about?" I assumed when the talking heads were calling it socialized medicine that it would mean free health care for those without jobs wholly subsidized by those of us with jobs. Instead it sounds like just any other plan from any other insurance company only with the Federal Government as the administrator. "But Prez, it's forcing companies to provide its full-time employees with healthcare!" To which I say, "And...? That's a bad thing how exactly?" Uninsured people are one of the things that drives the cost of healthcare for everyone - imagine if there were fewer uninsured people!

You can say that the government mandating things to corporations is anti-capitalist and that may be so, but before government regulation of corporations started factory workers who died at their machines from being over-worked and under- nourished were simply pushed out of the way to make room for a live worker to work the machine. Ah the good ole early 1900's, dontcha miss 'em? Corporations have repeatedly shown that often the only way they will do the right thing is if they are made to. So while I am pro-Capitalist in the general sense, the need for government mandates and regulation is obvious to me. Enron and Worldcom anyone?

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68. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 14, 2013, 20:21 Quboid
 
Draugr wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:07:
Quboid wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:40:
It's impossible to say with any accuracy at all, but it would be really interesting to know what North America would be like now if the Confederate States had left the US. With the US lead largely on US liberal lines (which is still quite right-wing by global standards, in so far as "left" and "right" isn't bullshit) and the confederate states lead on some sort of libertarian/Tea Party combination.

We all think we know of course. We all think that <<my ideology here>> would be strong and stable while <<other ideology>> would be economically crippled. Of course <<my ideology>> would be the land of the free while <<other ideology>> would be an authoritarian nightmare because one of the weird things about the US left versus right shit slinging is that both sides think the other are bigoted fascists. Perhaps because some members of each side are bigoted fascists, but <<other ideology>> definitely has more. <<ideology-affirming TV network>> said so.

That doesn't work because one of those nations would have institutionalized slavery, (provided it wasn't done away with later) So the whole "who is more free" thing would only apply if you were talking to white people, heh.

Well, I'd guess the whole slavery thing wouldn't have lasted long. It would quickly become embarrassing if the US and Mexico both had better civil rights than the Confederate.

In my experience, to the far-social-right, freedom means freedom for them and them alone to do what they want so it would effectively only apply to white people - non-whites wouldn't be so free but they wouldn't count because they wouldn't count.
 
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67. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 20:19 Mad Max RW
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 19:54:
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 19:04:
Beamer wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:57:
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:16:

Most of the people on this site and similar video game websites where they discuss politics are really really really ignorant as to who is running what and where the money comes from and how much. It's also very telling that most of them are liberal college students, aka "low information voters".

The money comes from people with money. And it's a lot of it. Few people manage to earn significant amounts without already having significant amounts. The wealth is extremely concentrated, as are the incomes.

It isn't rocket science. But it's beyond many, many people. Seemingly you, typically.

Maybe if the people didn't have the fruits of their labor (i.e. personal property) confiscated for redistribution by bureaucratic masterminds we could better enable them improve their fiscal situation. It wouldn't solve all problems, but it's a start.

Standard libertarian bullcrap.

What gets missed in this is that the largest scale of wealth redistribution this country has seen came from Reagan. And the economy, outside of the internet boom, has gotten weaker since.

Reagan took money from the hands of the middle class and put it in the hands of the elite. The elite that Mad Max defends, despite me being fairly certain that both his income and his wealth are very far from being there.

My income puts me somewhere in the top 5%, and I'm by no means wealthy, nor do I seem like I'll be wealthy anytime soon. If I'm not wealthy, and I earn more than over 95% of Americans, and I'm a single guy and most of them are families, how the hell are other people living?

There's something very, very wrong with the income and wealth distribution, and most of it comes from people that are looking at it from the perspective of what they feel people rightfully deserve rather than what they should rightfully pay (e.g., they always bitch about what portion of the taxes the top 1% pays without ever bothering to instead look at what portion of the income the top 1% earns.)

Where was I defending the elite? You mean elites like Nancy Pelosi, John Boehner, George Soros, George Bush and Barack Obama?

Of course you are one of those naive children who believes all corporations and businesses somehow run everything and are evil. Wealth is evil, right? That's a distraction invented by failures. The truth is you are a failure. Every sad liberal can't handle the fact they never accomplished anything so they invent conspiracies to justify "wealth redistribution" which will only make things worse for everybody. You were wrongly taught everyone has a right to an equal portion despite how lazy they are and it makes you crazy. It may help liberals sleep at night, but at the end of the day you are the one to blame. But keep blaming the Tea Party, corporations, racism, banks, Jews, whatever. It's all the same noise from an impotent and shrinking minority of losers.

If you believe wealth distribution is such an issue and taxes isn't doing enough to help the little guy then how much of your income do you give to charity each year?

Did you sign up for Obamacare yet?
 
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66. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 20:15 Quboid
 
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:46:
Quboid wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:32:
You guys realise that the EU hasn't actually disappeared into a black hole? Some of the countries have very serious debt problems, sure, but we're still here. I'm still here.

Most of the EU has economic growth and only the basket cases (Greece and Cyprus) are showing big problems. Spain and Italy are still struggling, not as much but as they're much larger countries any problems are magnified.

Europe has big problems. Suffice it to say, growth rates in Europe are pretty anemic like the US right now. The highest performing economy is Lithuania at 3.6%, but they are very different from the rest of Europe as they've gone through some serious waste-cutting to get where they are. Norway is at 3% but most are much lower (Greece is at -6%). The stalwart powerhouse, Germany, is only at .7%. I wouldn't be rejoicing over that. If that's the high bar, I'd hate to see things get worse.

I'm certainly not rejoicing. I just think that comments describing the EU as disappearing into oblivion are so devoid of reality to be worse than useless in any discussion. Exaggeration is one thing but this (and some other comments in these always helpful and conclusive discussions) seems to be an exaggeration of the idea that the EU is in big trouble. It's not doing well but I have to wonder why some people seem to think it's teetering on the edge.

(Time-machine? As in the EU is gone and I'm posting from the past? Sorry, that joke went over my head )
 
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65. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 20:01 HorrorScope
 
Looks like are hero's are going to save the day from completely shutting this mother down.

"The deal would also make minor tweaks to the new health-care law, though nothing along the lines of what some conservative Republicans have been demanding. It would require additional safeguards to ensure that people who receive federal subsidies to purchase health insurance under the law are eligible to receive them, the people said.

In exchange for meeting that Republican condition, Democrats are seeking a delay of the law’s so-called “belly button tax” — a tax on existing policies that is set to add roughly $63 per covered person — including spouses and dependents — to the cost of health insurance next year. Under the emerging agreement, the tax would be delayed until 2015, sparing organized labor as well as major employers, the people said."


Just think, they got all this tv time, they shut down a % of gov't, sent markets south and that is all that was needed a meaningless adjustment one way and another meaningless adjustment the other for an agreement. DISAPPOINTING.
 
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64. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 19:54 Beamer
 
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 19:04:
Beamer wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:57:
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:16:

Most of the people on this site and similar video game websites where they discuss politics are really really really ignorant as to who is running what and where the money comes from and how much. It's also very telling that most of them are liberal college students, aka "low information voters".

The money comes from people with money. And it's a lot of it. Few people manage to earn significant amounts without already having significant amounts. The wealth is extremely concentrated, as are the incomes.

It isn't rocket science. But it's beyond many, many people. Seemingly you, typically.

Maybe if the people didn't have the fruits of their labor (i.e. personal property) confiscated for redistribution by bureaucratic masterminds we could better enable them improve their fiscal situation. It wouldn't solve all problems, but it's a start.

Standard libertarian bullcrap.

What gets missed in this is that the largest scale of wealth redistribution this country has seen came from Reagan. And the economy, outside of the internet boom, has gotten weaker since.

Reagan took money from the hands of the middle class and put it in the hands of the elite. The elite that Mad Max defends, despite me being fairly certain that both his income and his wealth are very far from being there.

My income puts me somewhere in the top 5%, and I'm by no means wealthy, nor do I seem like I'll be wealthy anytime soon. If I'm not wealthy, and I earn more than over 95% of Americans, and I'm a single guy and most of them are families, how the hell are other people living?

There's something very, very wrong with the income and wealth distribution, and most of it comes from people that are looking at it from the perspective of what they feel people rightfully deserve rather than what they should rightfully pay (e.g., they always bitch about what portion of the taxes the top 1% pays without ever bothering to instead look at what portion of the income the top 1% earns.)
 
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63. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 19:04 scarlet
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:57:
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:16:

Most of the people on this site and similar video game websites where they discuss politics are really really really ignorant as to who is running what and where the money comes from and how much. It's also very telling that most of them are liberal college students, aka "low information voters".

The money comes from people with money. And it's a lot of it. Few people manage to earn significant amounts without already having significant amounts. The wealth is extremely concentrated, as are the incomes.

It isn't rocket science. But it's beyond many, many people. Seemingly you, typically.

Maybe if the people didn't have the fruits of their labor (i.e. personal property) confiscated for redistribution by bureaucratic masterminds we could better enable them improve their fiscal situation. It wouldn't solve all problems, but it's a start.
 
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62. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 19:00 Mad Max RW
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:57:
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:16:

Most of the people on this site and similar video game websites where they discuss politics are really really really ignorant as to who is running what and where the money comes from and how much. It's also very telling that most of them are liberal college students, aka "low information voters".

The money comes from people with money. And it's a lot of it. Few people manage to earn significant amounts without already having significant amounts. The wealth is extremely concentrated, as are the incomes.

It isn't rocket science. But it's beyond many, many people. Seemingly you, typically.

Aww look at the poor little liberal flailing his arms pretending to understand the evil world that wronged him so. Tell me, did you sign up for Obamacare yet?
 
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61. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 18:57 Beamer
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:16:

Most of the people on this site and similar video game websites where they discuss politics are really really really ignorant as to who is running what and where the money comes from and how much. It's also very telling that most of them are liberal college students, aka "low information voters".

The money comes from people with money. And it's a lot of it. Few people manage to earn significant amounts without already having significant amounts. The wealth is extremely concentrated, as are the incomes.

It isn't rocket science. But it's beyond many, many people. Seemingly you, typically.
 
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60. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 14, 2013, 18:21 scarlet
 
Draugr wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 18:02:
scarlet wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 17:49:
France is fine? With a growth rate of 0.0%? What would be great be? What would bad be?

Let me be more specific, 'just fine' can obviously be very ambiguous, France is plodding along and while growth hasn't been explosive, it HAS been there (commendable when that isn't the case compared to the norm) and has been reducing their defecits quite a bit in the meantime, while avoiding explosive unemployment like others have suffered, which also means growth isn't as important as it is in these other situation (though it is still good.) They seem to be on the road to recovery and in this regard they are doing 'just fine'

Also I don't know where you got a zero number, unless it's outdated data. The growth isn't big but its there, which is better than many can say.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/france/gdp-growth

It was based on 2012's numbers. France is on track for .2% this year.

https://tinyurl.com/l4zxzfo

France's unemployment rate has been hovering around 10% for the longest time, save for a brief two-year period 2007-2008. Maybe that's low by European standards, but it takes a massive toll the taxpayers—money that can not be spent on investments is instead spent on lavish entitlements.

 
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