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119. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 16:08 Verno
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 16:01:
I think you're reading into what I'm saying more than needed. I said earlier on the topic of abortions, if it's rape, or there's a serious medical reason that's one thing. Often it's a convenience thing, ie it's easier to abort than spend the next 18 years caring for a life tha isn't your own. That I have issue with. But society has for whatever reason decided that's ok. Why, I have no fucking clue.

No, you're just confusing your own vague rants with this health care discussion and not even doing a particularly good job of it. Health care by and large is not a convenience thing. Your example is silly too, a woman having a child that she can't necessarily provide for creates a much larger strain on the system than providing her coverage does. 100 abortions are probably less expensive than a single child when we're talking about the cost to society and people rarely get pregnant with the intent of defrauding the public. Basic coverage just makes sense, having a weird set of politically charged exclusion criteria like yours would probably wind up way more expensive.

If you have a medical condition that prevents you from working that's something completely different. That's not the same as people who are capable of working who don't and instead live of the rest of us, pretending there's only a couple who do that, is about as naive as you can get.

Again you fail to think this one through. With the basic goal of providing everyone coverage we get the ability to marginalize this problem since it is much harder for people to fake medical tests used to help determine eligibility for social care programs. I've never seen convincing stats to show me that social care programs are in widespread abuse either. The whole "derp derp living on my money!!!" thing is oft regurgitated but financially insignificant on a national level.

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118. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 16:01 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 15:45:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 15:31:
They're all interconnected Verno, I keep saying it over and over. It all comes down to personal responsibility. It's on you to get education, it's on you to get a job, etc etc. This includes healthcare, you want decent health care? GO GET A FUCKING JOB.

No, it's offtopic ranting that has little to do with the ACA or health care itself. The fact that you totally fail to see your own circular logic is just amusement icing on the cake though. You can't get a decent job if you're sick and you can't get better without health care. Let's also ignore the people who lose their coverage due to no fault of their own like a company going belly up or the economy tanking. That's totally ignoring special cases who are often dropped or excluded from health care due to financial profiteering. Forgetting all of that though on a basic level we have a society of people for a reason, it's not a collection of individuals but a society presumably working towards commonly governed goals. People can't be functional in society without their health and create a much larger strain on our nations finances than providing coverage does.

The idea that birth grants you a free ride just because a bunch of liberals base everything off of fucking feelings is ridiculous. What's more ridiculous is anyone with a brain cell buying into it.

Yes how ridiculous that people have a right to be alive and healthy in society, those damned liberals.

I think you're reading into what I'm saying more than needed. I said earlier on the topic of abortions, if it's rape, or there's a serious medical reason that's one thing. Often it's a convenience thing, ie it's easier to abort than spend the next 18 years caring for a life tha isn't your own. That I have issue with. But society has for whatever reason decided that's ok. Why, I have no fucking clue.

If you have a medical condition that prevents you from working that's something completely different. That's not the same as people who are capable of working who don't and instead live of the rest of us, pretending there's only a couple who do that, is about as naive as you can get.

I get healthcare provided by my employer, and it's done nothing but steadily go up. More so WITH the introduction of Obamacare, sorry if that raises some flags for me especially with how against the people this administration seems to be.

Remember too Verno, I live in mass, I know the perils of Romneycare already, it's total shit.
 
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117. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 15:45 Verno
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 15:31:
They're all interconnected Verno, I keep saying it over and over. It all comes down to personal responsibility. It's on you to get education, it's on you to get a job, etc etc. This includes healthcare, you want decent health care? GO GET A FUCKING JOB.

No, it's offtopic ranting that has little to do with the ACA or health care itself. The fact that you totally fail to see your own circular logic is just amusement icing on the cake though. You can't get a decent job if you're sick and you can't get better without health care. Let's also ignore the people who lose their coverage due to no fault of their own like a company going belly up or the economy tanking. That's totally ignoring special cases who are often dropped or excluded from health care due to financial profiteering. Forgetting all of that though on a basic level we have a society of people for a reason, it's not a collection of individuals but a society presumably working towards commonly governed goals. People can't be functional in society without their health and create a much larger strain on our nations finances than providing coverage does. People who don't have their health have a perfect excuse to lay around on the public teat by the way, not that this is even a big issue considering how low fraud figures are for most social programs.

The idea that birth grants you a free ride just because a bunch of liberals base everything off of fucking feelings is ridiculous. What's more ridiculous is anyone with a brain cell buying into it.

Yes how ridiculous that people have a right to be alive and healthy in society, those damned liberals.

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116. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 15:44 Beamer
 
I don't get how "personal responsibility" comes into play when we have such enormous unemployment amongst the poor. Is it because they're lazy and enjoy being on welfare, or is it that those jobs simply don't exist?

It's also always telling when you discuss economics with someone that doesn't understand that, while debt has some influence on the economy, it isn't nearly the factor TV makes it out to be. Spending is the real fuel. Tax on the rich isn't about the government making money, it's about making sure the money is going into the hands of people that will spend it, and making sure the wealthy have fewer reasons to cut jobs.

At this point, though, I've beaten my head against the wall on this so many times it's pointless. Some people don't learn. They don't listen. They don't display a basic understanding. They can't even formulate an argument as to what the impact of debt is on an economy like the US, other than saying "obviously being in debt is bad!" Typically they make asinine arguments about a household, as if one of the largest economies in the world can be compared to a family of 4.
 
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115. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 15:31 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 15:21:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 15:15:
I didn't realize it's the government's job to provide people with a life just because they're too lazy to make something of themselves. Guess I've been doing it wrong huh?

I'm talking about health care, not giving people free cars and money. You're off on yet another vague tangent about responsibility that has nothing to do with anything. You do not have a functional, productive society without healthcare and people without it are a drag on the system. I am totally fine with some of my taxes going toward health care, they do already and I think a healthy society is worthwhile spending. You want to talk about overhauling social security then you'll get more sympathy for me, demonizing the ACA though gets you zero traction.

If you want to live in a world where you are only responsible for yourself and don't have to worry about anyone else then go buy a plot of land in Alaska and live the dream.

They're all interconnected Verno, I keep saying it over and over. It all comes down to personal responsibility. It's on you to get education, it's on you to get a job, etc etc. This includes healthcare, you want decent health care? GO GET A FUCKING JOB.

The idea that birth grants you a free ride just because a bunch of liberals base everything off of fucking feelings is ridiculous. What's more ridiculous is anyone with a brain cell buying into it.
 
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114. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 15:21 Verno
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 15:15:
I didn't realize it's the government's job to provide people with a life just because they're too lazy to make something of themselves. Guess I've been doing it wrong huh?

I'm talking about health care, not giving people free cars and money. You're off on yet another vague tangent about responsibility that has nothing to do with anything. You do not have a functional, productive society without healthcare and people without it are a drag on the system. I am totally fine with some of my taxes going toward health care, they do already and I think a healthy society is worthwhile spending. You want to talk about overhauling social security then you'll get more sympathy for me, demonizing the ACA without any substance gets you zero traction.

If you want to live in a world where you are only responsible for yourself and don't have to worry about anyone else then go buy a plot of land in Alaska and live the dream.

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113. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 15:15 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 15:10:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 14:56:
I play MWO with a few guys from Canada, it has happened not only to them personally but to others they know as well. We are 17+ TRILLION in debt. Can you honestly see this thing going well? C'mon man think for a second.

Yeah I am totally going to buy some Ventrilo anecdotes as indicative of a system as a whole, one that I have personal experience with. The national debt wasn't arrived at by introducing the ACA and balancing the books and providing healthcare are not mutually exclusive.

We're going to have less personal choices, pay more, and the freeloaders will still be freeloading. How the fuck is that a solution? Honestly, sugar coat it if you have to, but give me a legitimate reason this is going to be at all better.

Things I like about the ACA - the entire concept, standards for things like pricing dissemination and a potential ban on exclusion due to pre-existing conditions. Basic coverage for people who are already sick. It is really difficult to think of things I don't like about it, most of my complaints are going to be related to implementation but that's why we change and improve things.

Not paying for the so called "freeloaders" is more expensive in both tracking and administration costs, not to mention we pay for them in critical care regardless. It is better for a society as a whole to keep its citizens healthy and working. The fact that you lack that understanding or empathy on a basic level tells me that all of these words are wasted on you.

No the debt was arrived at fighting the Cold War, and continued by both parties with no end in sight.

It's not that I lack empathy, I just come from a background where I honestly didn't have life handed to me and worked my god damn ass off to get the required knowledge in order to do something I enjoy and make decent money at. The way I look at it, if I can manage to do it, so can they.

I didn't realize it's the government's job to provide people with a life just because they're too lazy to make something of themselves. Guess I've been doing it wrong huh?

 
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112. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 15:10 Verno
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 14:56:
I play MWO with a few guys from Canada, it has happened not only to them personally but to others they know as well. We are 17+ TRILLION in debt. Can you honestly see this thing going well? C'mon man think for a second.

Yeah I am totally going to buy some Ventrilo anecdotes as indicative of a system as a whole, one that I have personal experience with. The national debt wasn't arrived at by introducing the ACA and balancing the books and providing healthcare are not mutually exclusive. If you want something to pigtail then go look at defense spending and social security, they are far worse offenders and need to be addressed before we start worrying about the impact of the ACA on our national budget.

We're going to have less personal choices, pay more, and the freeloaders will still be freeloading. How the fuck is that a solution? Honestly, sugar coat it if you have to, but give me a legitimate reason this is going to be at all better.

Things I like about the ACA - the entire concept, standards for things like pricing dissemination and a potential ban on exclusion due to pre-existing conditions. Basic coverage for people who are already sick. It is really difficult to think of things I don't like about it, most of my complaints are going to be related to implementation but that's why we change and improve things.

Not paying for the so called "freeloaders" is more expensive in both tracking and administration costs, not to mention we pay for them in critical care regardless. It is better for a society as a whole to keep its citizens healthy and working. The fact that you lack that understanding or empathy on a basic level tells me that all of these words are wasted on you.
 
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111. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 14:56 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 14:49:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 14:39:
Why? Do you enjoy paying more for healthcare even without having to have obamacare, to cover those who refuse to do anything but live off of everyone else?

I don't grant your premise, it's ridiculous and loaded.

Ask any Canadians with serious conditions who are on waiting lists to even see doctors, most of them end up coming to the US. Yep that socialized medicine sure is great, let's give the US government another thing to completely fuck up beyond belief. That will sure to go over great and keep medical cost down.

More TV propaganda and you talking about something you have zero experience with. Not only do I have family in Canada but I travel to Canada for work constantly, in fact I spend more time there than I do here these days. I know a great deal of people who have dealt with the Canadian healthcare system and I've personally used it myself in an emergency situation in the past. Canada is essentially one large triage system in many ways and while there are waits at times if you need care you generally get it and you don't go bankrupt doing so. The quality of the care itself is also very high despite having less specialists (which is the real fault of their healthcare system).

If the worst our country ends up with is a version of the Canadian healthcare system then we'll have made out OK on the deal. In fact I think we have worse in many ways. We have more choice but the costs are too high. The ACA isn't perfect and I think it needs adjustments in several areas but it's an important first step in ensuring coverage for people we end up paying for regardless.

I play MWO with a few guys from Canada, it has happened not only to them personally but to others they know as well. We are 17+ TRILLION in debt. Can you honestly see this thing going well? C'mon man think for a second.

We're going to have less personal choices, pay more, and the freeloaders will still be freeloading. How the fuck is that a solution? Honestly, sugar coat it if you have to, but give me a legitimate reason this is going to be at all better.
 
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110. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 14:56 Verno
 
Prez wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 14:45:
Exactly. The far right's biggest enemy isn't the far left or moderate left; it's the far right itself. They themselves continue to weaken the Republican party (which still is my party according to the State of Tennessee but I sure am not proud of it) by continually coming across as narrow-minded and extreme, and in doing so, alienate the more moderate portion of their base to the extent that they no longer even want to be associated with the word "Republican" (The condescending term Rino Republican comes to mind). What we are coming to is that the fringe right will be the only wing of the Republican party left and it will continue to shrink further into irrelevance. Contrast that with the Democrat party which has progressives, liberals, moderates, conservatives, libertarians, etc. and continues to win elections.

Yep exactly Prez. The entire Republican party is being eaten alive by the loud fringe and we have a few glaring examples on this site itself. One clown here called me a liberal a few weeks ago because I dared to criticize some far right idiocy that didn't pass the smell test. You have to be with us or against us, it's like sports or wrestling Rolleyes
 
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109. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 14:49 Verno
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 14:39:
Why? Do you enjoy paying more for healthcare even without having to have obamacare, to cover those who refuse to do anything but live off of everyone else?

I don't grant your premise, it's ridiculous and loaded.

Ask any Canadians with serious conditions who are on waiting lists to even see doctors, most of them end up coming to the US. Yep that socialized medicine sure is great, let's give the US government another thing to completely fuck up beyond belief. That will sure to go over great and keep medical cost down.

More TV propaganda and you talking about something you have zero experience with. Not only do I have family in Canada but I travel to Canada for work constantly, in fact I spend more time there than I do here these days. I know a great deal of people who have dealt with the Canadian healthcare system and I've personally used it myself in an emergency situation in the past. Canada is essentially one large triage system in many ways and while there are waits at times if you need care you generally get it and you don't go bankrupt doing so. The quality of the care itself is also very high despite having less specialists (which is the real fault of their healthcare system).

If the worst our country ends up with is a version of the Canadian healthcare system then we'll have made out OK on the deal. In fact I think we have worse in many ways already. We have more choice but the costs are too high. We have a pretend tiering system and accounting driven hospitals. The ACA isn't perfect and I think it needs adjustments in several areas but it's an important first step in ensuring coverage for people we end up paying for regardless.
 
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108. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 14:45 Prez
 
Your brand of divisive politics just turns people away and shit like that is a big part of the reason why the GOP is stagnating.

Exactly. The far right's biggest enemy isn't the far left or moderate left; it's the far right itself. They themselves continue to weaken the Republican party (which still is my party according to the State of Tennessee but I sure am not proud of it) by continually coming across as narrow-minded and extreme, and in doing so, alienate the more moderate portion of their base to the extent that they no longer even want to be associated with the word "Republican" (The condescending term Rino Republican comes to mind). What we are coming to is that the fringe right will be the only wing of the Republican party left and it will continue to shrink further into irrelevance. Contrast that with the Democrat party which has progressives, liberals, moderates, conservatives, libertarians, etc. and continues to win elections.
 
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107. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 14:44 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 13:58:
The guy keeps mentioning me.

Here, I'll help him:
1) Our economic woes are most influenced by Reagan's redistribution of wealth. "Most" does not mean "solely." A lot of it happened under Clinton's watch, he'd be the president getting the second most blame
2) That said, Obama has mostly sucked
3) That said, the DNC has mostly sucked. I can probably only name like 1 or 2 of them, regardless. I don't like them, I just think they're wrong less often. That doesn't mean I think they're capable, efficient, routinely right, not looking out for themselves over the country, deserving of being in office, etc.
4) That said, I hate virtually all politicians equally, except for the Tea Party, because they're vindictive, insane, and have extremely low IQs
5) But, when you get down to it, the refusal to tax the top 0.5% is really what's dragging us down. As they accumulate a higher portion of our nation's wealth in income, everyone else accumulates less (as that's how percentages work.) As they accumulate more, they do not spend more. As everyone else accumulates less, they spend less. Therefore, this is a cycle of reduced spending, which is what blows our economy away.

But it's so odd that a guy I've had on ignore for months keeps making these conversations about "Beamer." Not even about politics, but about me.

Yes lets tax the 1% more. Tax them 100%, it won't make a dent but do it anyway, more money to spend for welfare.

Thing is Beamer, with out the tea party bringing to light all the unconstitutional stuff going on, especially with this administration, they are who you should be supporting. Taxes aren't the problem, the 17 trillion+ of debt is.

Rather than kicking the can down the road some more why don't we cut spending cut all the wasteful programs that do nothing, cut some of the welfare for the freeloaders who keep popping out kids, and give power back to the states rather than the bloated mess we have now called government?

Basically you hate the one political entity that honestly wants to fix things. It makes zero sense.
 
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106. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 14:39 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 13:45:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 13:27:
Do you read the progressive drivel that comes out of beamer's mouth most of the time? Can you say with a straight face he's not a DNC card carrying liberal? I certainly can't.

He has it down pat, blame the GOP or Republicans in general for everything, play the race card as often as you can and try to talk down to people 100% of the time, and whining when called on it.

You blame Democrats and Liberals for everything and only seem to post in FoxNews-isms so that whole whiny post is just the pot calling the kettle black. As Prez said, maybe you should remove your head from your ass and stop thinking of the world in TV packaged labels. People hold a lot of views and not all of them will agree with yours, deal with it and stop being a baby by calling everyone Liberal the second they don't go far right on everything.

I actually happen to like the ACA in concept and most of its implementation, oh no did I lose my secret GOP club card?! I guess I'm in the Liberal Club House now because I didn't toe the party line on every single issue and actually used my brain to arrive at my own conclusions! Your brand of divisive politics just turns people away and shit like that is a big part of the reason why the GOP is stagnating.

Why? Do you enjoy paying more for healthcare even without having to have obamacare, to cover those who refuse to do anything but live off of everyone else?

Ask any Canadians with serious conditions who are on waiting lists to even see doctors, most of them end up coming to the US. Yep that socialized medicine sure is great, let's give the US government another thing to completely fuck up beyond belief. That will sure to go over great and keep medical cost down.

News flash it won't. But hey we all need to pay more right?
 
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105. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 13:58 Beamer
 
The guy keeps mentioning me.

Here, I'll help him:
1) Our economic woes are most influenced by Reagan's redistribution of wealth. "Most" does not mean "solely." A lot of it happened under Clinton's watch, he'd be the president getting the second most blame
2) That said, Obama has mostly sucked
3) That said, the DNC has mostly sucked. I can probably only name like 1 or 2 of them, regardless. I don't like them, I just think they're wrong less often. That doesn't mean I think they're capable, efficient, routinely right, not looking out for themselves over the country, deserving of being in office, etc.
4) That said, I hate virtually all politicians equally, except for the Tea Party, because they're vindictive, insane, and have extremely low IQs
5) But, when you get down to it, the refusal to tax the top 0.5% is really what's dragging us down. As they accumulate a higher portion of our nation's wealth in income, everyone else accumulates less (as that's how percentages work.) As they accumulate more, they do not spend more. As everyone else accumulates less, they spend less. Therefore, this is a cycle of reduced spending, which is what blows our economy away.

But it's so odd that a guy I've had on ignore for months keeps making these conversations about "Beamer." Not even about politics, but about me.

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104. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 13:45 Verno
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 13:27:
Do you read the progressive drivel that comes out of beamer's mouth most of the time? Can you say with a straight face he's not a DNC card carrying liberal? I certainly can't.

He has it down pat, blame the GOP or Republicans in general for everything, play the race card as often as you can and try to talk down to people 100% of the time, and whining when called on it.

You blame Democrats and Liberals for everything and only seem to post in FoxNews-isms so that whole whiny post is just the pot calling the kettle black. As Prez said, maybe you should remove your head from your ass and stop thinking of the world in TV packaged labels. People hold a lot of views and not all of them will agree with yours, deal with it and stop being a baby by calling everyone Liberal the second they don't go far right on everything.

I actually happen to like the ACA in concept and most of its implementation, oh no did I lose my secret GOP club card?! I guess I'm in the Liberal Club House now because I didn't toe the party line on every single issue and actually used my brain to arrive at my own conclusions! Your brand of divisive politics just turns people away and shit like that is a big part of the reason why the GOP is stagnating.
 
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103. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 13:33 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 08:56:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 08:22:
I also find it hilarious that the folks on the left who always argue the liberal view in these threads on BN always claim they're not liberal, you do it, beamer does it, you're both full of shit and it's obvious.

Uh, maybe because they're not inherently liberal? You have this strange notion that anyone who doesn't agree with your views or whatever preconceived notions you have latched on to is somehow liberal. You use the word as if its an insult but there is a lot of value in liberalism, you should try studying it for a change instead of being such a blockhead. I consider myself a fiscal conservative (I am using labels you need to identify with) on many issues but I also hold a lot of liberal views. Does that make me a liberal because I believe in a woman's right to choose but also believe that the free market can do a better job than government can in many (but not all) areas?

You should really try expanding your mind a bit beyond the labels, most people don't fit into neat categories.

No it doesn't, but the fact that the ONLY message you get from a beamer or a redmask is straight up MSNBC bullshit, it makes it hard to view that person any other way.

Personally the GOP should give up on abortion. Society has deemed it acceptable to end a life in the womb due to bad personal decisions. Even better we reward those people who continually pump out kid after kid with more welfare/foodstamps/ebt what have you. We've gone beyond that morality line a long ass time ago and it's not going to go back to how it was ever.

Rape is one thing, not taking precautions to wear a condom or use birth control are two completely different things.

It's a circle, always comes back to personal responsibility over one's self. Democrats have a hard ass time with that whole concept to begin with.
 
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102. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 13:27 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 08:56:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 08:22:
I also find it hilarious that the folks on the left who always argue the liberal view in these threads on BN always claim they're not liberal, you do it, beamer does it, you're both full of shit and it's obvious.

Uh, maybe because they're not inherently liberal? You have this strange notion that anyone who doesn't agree with your views or whatever preconceived notions you have latched on to is somehow liberal. You use the word as if its an insult but there is a lot of value in liberalism, you should try studying it for a change instead of being such a blockhead. I consider myself a fiscal conservative (I am using labels you need to identify with) on many issues but I also hold a lot of liberal views. Does that make me a liberal because I believe in a woman's right to choose but also believe that the free market can do a better job than government can in many (but not all) areas?

You should really try expanding your mind a bit beyond the labels, most people don't fit into neat categories.

Do you read the progressive drivel that comes out of beamer's mouth most of the time? Can you say with a straight face he's not a DNC card carrying liberal? I certainly can't.

He has it down pat, blame the GOP or Republicans in general for everything, play the race card as often as you can and try to talk down to people 100% of the time, and whining when called on it.

So I'm sorry if I have a hard time thinking he has a single conservative view point in his vocabulary. Certainly doesn't seem that way reading his bullshit on a daily basis.
 
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101. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 15, 2013, 09:23 wtf_man
 
What Is The Worst Thing About Working At Microsoft.

Apparently employees are butthurt of the company's reputation, and think that they innovate a lot.

Unfortunately, a majority of Microsoft products are complete utter shit. Not all of them, but most of them. And that's where the company gets it's reputation from. That and bullying the tech sector for so long, trying to ram some of the shittier products down our throats.

So, if you accept a job with Microsoft... you basically have to put up with the crap that comes with their stellar reputation.

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100. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 15, 2013, 08:56 Verno
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 15, 2013, 08:22:
I also find it hilarious that the folks on the left who always argue the liberal view in these threads on BN always claim they're not liberal, you do it, beamer does it, you're both full of shit and it's obvious.

Uh, maybe because they're not inherently liberal? You have this strange notion that anyone who doesn't agree with your views or whatever preconceived notions you have latched on to is somehow liberal. You use the word as if its an insult but there is a lot of value in liberalism, you should try studying it for a change instead of being such a blockhead. I consider myself a fiscal conservative (I am using labels you need to identify with) on many issues but I also hold a lot of liberal views. Does that make me a liberal because I believe in a woman's right to choose but also believe that the free market can do a better job than government can in many (but not all) areas?

You should really try expanding your mind a bit beyond the labels, most people don't fit into neat categories.
 
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