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319. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 18:19 jdreyer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 17:29:

When the majority of Americans are getting there news from liberal sources like NBC and CBS how do you think they're going to process things?

You know as well as I do, if a republican president didn't pass a budget for a term and a half we'd never hear the end of it, and the president would be the focal point of the blame.

Obama has been given pass after pass after pass since day 1 and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

The liberal media that books conservatives almost 2 to 1 on its political shows? Whatever you're smoking, can I have a hit? I need some escape from reality.
 
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318. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 17:45 Dirwulf
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 17:29:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 16:14:
I'll just leave this here, post shut-down poll results:

The numbers:

* Dems lead in the generic ballot matchup by 49-38. Among independents — a key midterm constituency — those numbers are 46-35.

* Only 21 percent of Americans approve of the way the Congressional GOP is handling the federal budget, versus 77 percent who disapprove. Among independents: 20-78. Among moderates: 14-85. Among seniors: 18-79. Fewer than one in three regard the GOP favorably.

* Only 20 percent think Republicans are “interested in doing what’s best for the country,” while 77 percent think they’re “interested in what’s best for themselves politically.” Among independents: 14-83. Among moderates: 18-81. Among seniors: 24-74.

* Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown by 53-29; moderates by 60-24; indies by 49-29; and seniors by 46-35.

Crucially, large majorities think the shutdown damaged the country. Eighty six percent say it has damaged the U.S.’s image in the world, and 80 percent say it damaged the U.S. economy.

When the majority of Americans are getting there news from liberal sources like NBC and CBS how do you think they're going to process things?

You know as well as I do, if a republican president didn't pass a budget for a term and a half we'd never hear the end of it, and the president would be the focal point of the blame.

Obama has been given pass after pass after pass since day 1 and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Because Obama is not the one playing obstructionist politics.
 
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317. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 17:29 RollinThundr
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 16:14:
I'll just leave this here, post shut-down poll results:

The numbers:

* Dems lead in the generic ballot matchup by 49-38. Among independents — a key midterm constituency — those numbers are 46-35.

* Only 21 percent of Americans approve of the way the Congressional GOP is handling the federal budget, versus 77 percent who disapprove. Among independents: 20-78. Among moderates: 14-85. Among seniors: 18-79. Fewer than one in three regard the GOP favorably.

* Only 20 percent think Republicans are “interested in doing what’s best for the country,” while 77 percent think they’re “interested in what’s best for themselves politically.” Among independents: 14-83. Among moderates: 18-81. Among seniors: 24-74.

* Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown by 53-29; moderates by 60-24; indies by 49-29; and seniors by 46-35.

Crucially, large majorities think the shutdown damaged the country. Eighty six percent say it has damaged the U.S.’s image in the world, and 80 percent say it damaged the U.S. economy.

When the majority of Americans are getting there news from liberal sources like NBC and CBS how do you think they're going to process things?

You know as well as I do, if a republican president didn't pass a budget for a term and a half we'd never hear the end of it, and the president would be the focal point of the blame.

Obama has been given pass after pass after pass since day 1 and I can't for the life of me figure out why.
 
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316. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 16:14 jdreyer
 
I'll just leave this here, post shut-down poll results:

The numbers:

* Dems lead in the generic ballot matchup by 49-38. Among independents — a key midterm constituency — those numbers are 46-35.

* Only 21 percent of Americans approve of the way the Congressional GOP is handling the federal budget, versus 77 percent who disapprove. Among independents: 20-78. Among moderates: 14-85. Among seniors: 18-79. Fewer than one in three regard the GOP favorably.

* Only 20 percent think Republicans are “interested in doing what’s best for the country,” while 77 percent think they’re “interested in what’s best for themselves politically.” Among independents: 14-83. Among moderates: 18-81. Among seniors: 24-74.

* Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown by 53-29; moderates by 60-24; indies by 49-29; and seniors by 46-35.

Crucially, large majorities think the shutdown damaged the country. Eighty six percent say it has damaged the U.S.’s image in the world, and 80 percent say it damaged the U.S. economy.
 
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315. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 16:11 jdreyer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 15:58:

Yet your fine with cutting the military right down the middle fuck all. Though I do agree, maybe we should take some of that military money and secure the fucking southern border with it so all the potential liberal votes stop sneaking in. You may be on to something there.

I'm not talking about people like your mother who used it for the purpose it was made for, to get back on her feet and be productive. Unfortunately that isn't the way the majority who are on it go about it.

I was including the military when I said we shouldn't cut any program right down the middle. But certainly we could do with a lot less military. There's simply no credible threat to justify our military expenditure.

Welfare was reformed in the late 90s. You can't just stay on it forever like you used to. it runs out. And you have to be actively seeking work. You'll notice in budget talks no one brings it up anymore, b/c it's not the huge resource drain that it used to be.

These days it's all about SS and medicaid/medicare. These programs are extremely popular with Americans though, so good luck with reducing those.
 
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314. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 16:06 jdreyer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 10:32:
He's held passing a budget hostage because he doesn't want to cut anything that needs to be cut. Both the President, Senate and Congress are playing a very dangerous game here.
Look, the Repubs refuse any revenue increases. We need to undo the Bush tax cuts, it's that simple. The government is the largest employer and the largest economic booster. The Repubs refuse to do that. Obama has compromised again and again during his administration only to be rebuffed time and again. Republican compromise means "adopt our positions," and even when Obama does, they vote against him. Hell, some Repub submitted a bill, then when Obama endorsed it, he voted against it. He voted against the bill that he himself had sponsored.

RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 10:32:
He had a chance to reverse the damage done with the Patriot Act, instead he's made it stronger.
This is a true statement, and probably my greatest issue with this president (along with his persecution of whistleblowers). He had the chance (in fact he promised) to scale this back and provide transparency and he went the other direction. I am completely opposed to this. Snowden is a hero for exposing it. Also, as Ben Franklin says, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 10:32:
Fast and Furious- to push an anti gun agenda on the US. a violation of the 2nd amendment. For a guy who calls himself a constitutional lawyer he doesn't seem to know the document very well at all.
Okay, give me a break about F&F. Obama wasn't even involved in this, even though it happened under his watch. Every administration has its scandals. Repubs are worse: Bush and Reagan were involved directly with their scandals: Katrina, torture, Iran-Contra, Valerie Plame, etc.
As for gun control, a law is only unconstitutional if the SCOTUS deems it so. 90% of Americans support universal background checks. You think that's going to be declared unconst?

RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 10:32:
Detention of journalist and smear tactics. Should I go on? The man is dangerous.
Links? What are you talking about? Although Obama's war on leaks and whistleblowers is something I oppose.
 
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313. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 15:58 RollinThundr
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 15:49:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 08:10:
Um that's what welfare is free rent, food, and if you live in Mass? Smokes and scratch tickets, yes Deval Patrick is that big an idiot. might get those people who suck off the tit of everyone else up off their lazy asses and making a life for themselves.

On a more serious note, Welfare is a functioning program. My mother divorced her violent husband when I was 3, and we were on it for several years while she went back to school to get her degree. She got a job, got remarried, and became a productive member of society. And b/c of that, I got an education, got a job, and became a productive member of society. If not for that program, my education and job prospects would have been much smaller.

I don't think any program should simply be cut by half arbitrarily. But we already had a welfare refactor back in the 90s that dramatically reduced that program. Certainly, something similar can be done to defense. We are an isolated nation, with our strongest allies on our borders. Our defense spending is completely at odds with our situation.

Yet your fine with cutting the military right down the middle fuck all. Though I do agree, maybe we should take some of that military money and secure the fucking southern border with it so all the potential liberal votes stop sneaking in. You may be on to something there.

I'm not talking about people like your mother who used it for the purpose it was made for, to get back on her feet and be productive. Unfortunately that isn't the way the majority who are on it go about it.
 
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312. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 15:49 jdreyer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 08:10:
Um that's what welfare is free rent, food, and if you live in Mass? Smokes and scratch tickets, yes Deval Patrick is that big an idiot. might get those people who suck off the tit of everyone else up off their lazy asses and making a life for themselves.

On a more serious note, Welfare is a functioning program. My mother divorced her violent husband when I was 3, and we were on it for several years while she went back to school to get her degree. She got a job, got remarried, and became a productive member of society. And b/c of that, I got an education, got a job, and became a productive member of society. If not for that program, my education and job prospects would have been much smaller.

I don't think any program should simply be cut by half arbitrarily. But we already had a welfare refactor back in the 90s that dramatically reduced that program. Certainly, something similar can be done to defense. We are an isolated nation, with our strongest allies on our borders. Our defense spending is completely at odds with our situation.
 
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311. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 10:32 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 23:40:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:33:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:06:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 08:55:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 03:24:
Wall of liberal drivel
http://tinyurl.com/oxm87bo, http://tinyurl.com/kcaeqf3, http://tinyurl.com/mxudu9s, http://tinyurl.com/2w4jgsd

Yeah it's totally the republicans who commit voter fraud and intimidation.

Also of note is the IRS audits against Tea Party groups because they're TP groups. Should I continue? Or are you going to continue to only say the republicans are bad?

Wow, really? That's all you've got? Let's look at these.

Link 1: someone voted for Obama six times. Like I said, there were 24 cases of voter fraud. Obviously she's one of them. 24 out of 197,000,000. Lightening strikes and shark bites.
Link 2: Anecdotal. Where's the follow up? What's the other side of the story, could it have been simple miscommunication?
Link 3: Acorn? Really? Jim O'Keefe get's the Acorn equivalent of a McD's employee to say something strange on camera resulting in the entire defunding of the operation, an operation which worked to improve the lives of the poor. Pure entrapment.
Link 4: Another anecdote, but I agree: if they're intimidating, or electioneering within 100' of the polling place, they should be arrested, per the law.
IRS Scandal: That was bad, and you won't see me defending it. Although the IRS delayed approval for several liberal groups as well as many Tea Party groups, it was mostly Tea Party, and that discrimination never should have happened.

Okay, so you're pulling out isolated incidents carried out by individuals, even in the IRS case. Many of these are investigated, under investigation, and/or prosecuted (Acorn unjustly so, IMO). The worst among them is the IRS scandal.

However, all of these are a drop in the bucket compared to what I'm talking about: A massively funded multipronged nationwide coordinated attack on democracy by the Republicans:
- Attempting to weaken the president by delegitimizing him using a plethora of groups pushing various misinformation and lies (Birthers, etc.).
- Attempting to disenfranchise entire classes of voters, potentially millions of people by limiting early voting and pushing for voter ID laws to attempt to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist.
- Attempting to overturn the constitutional law of the land by shutting down the government instead of using the legislative process.
- Blocking and filibustering democratic legislation and appointees at a rate unprecedented in history

Why do you keep defending the indefensible? Notice how I agree the IRS scandal was wrong. You've done none of that.

At the least we agree on the IRS scandal. And while I really don't buy into the birther garbage, and that's exactly what it is garbage, I find it extremely hard to deny that Obama is trying to fundamentally change the US and and not for the better, the obvious socialist tones he often makes in his speeches quite honestly are frightening to someone who values the Constitution and wishes this country to remain free, and continue to have rights, like the 2nd amendment. His desire to gun grab when you need look no further than his very own home district of Shitcago to see that oppressive gun laws do nothing to reduce crime. Instead they do the opposite, empower criminals because they know they're the ones with the guns.

Can you at least acknowledge the points at hand before you go off on another tangent? What exactly do you believe Obama has done to create this "overgrown executive branch" that wasn't already being done by Bush?

He's held passing a budget hostage because he doesn't want to cut anything that needs to be cut. Both the President, Senate and Congress are playing a very dangerous game here.

He had a chance to reverse the damage done with the Patriot Act, instead he's made it stronger.

Fast and Furious- to push an anti gun agenda on the US. a violation of the 2nd amendment. For a guy who calls himself a constitutional lawyer he doesn't seem to know the document very well at all.

Detention of journalist and smear tactics. Should I go on? The man is dangerous.
 
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310. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 08:10 RollinThundr
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 02:35:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:34:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:10:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 20:35:

And what do we have now? An overgrown Executive branch. Thank you Eric Holder and Barack Obama.

1. The overgrown executive branch started with W and Cheney, thank you very much.
2. Stick to the topic. Agree we can cut the defense budget by half, and give out free M16s to anyone who wants one? That both decreases spending and the size of gov't, and maintains the militia you're so fond of.

Sure, can we cut welfare by 50% as well?

Sure, as long as we're handing out free rent and food like I'm handing free M16s.

Um that's what welfare is free rent, food, and if you live in Mass? Smokes and scratch tickets, yes Deval Patrick is that big an idiot. might get those people who suck off the tit of everyone else up off their lazy asses and making a life for themselves.
 
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309. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 02:35 jdreyer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:34:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:10:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 20:35:

And what do we have now? An overgrown Executive branch. Thank you Eric Holder and Barack Obama.

1. The overgrown executive branch started with W and Cheney, thank you very much.
2. Stick to the topic. Agree we can cut the defense budget by half, and give out free M16s to anyone who wants one? That both decreases spending and the size of gov't, and maintains the militia you're so fond of.

Sure, can we cut welfare by 50% as well?

Sure, as long as we're handing out free rent and food like I'm handing free M16s.
 
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308. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 23:40 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:33:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:06:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 08:55:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 03:24:
Wall of liberal drivel
http://tinyurl.com/oxm87bo, http://tinyurl.com/kcaeqf3, http://tinyurl.com/mxudu9s, http://tinyurl.com/2w4jgsd

Yeah it's totally the republicans who commit voter fraud and intimidation.

Also of note is the IRS audits against Tea Party groups because they're TP groups. Should I continue? Or are you going to continue to only say the republicans are bad?

Wow, really? That's all you've got? Let's look at these.

Link 1: someone voted for Obama six times. Like I said, there were 24 cases of voter fraud. Obviously she's one of them. 24 out of 197,000,000. Lightening strikes and shark bites.
Link 2: Anecdotal. Where's the follow up? What's the other side of the story, could it have been simple miscommunication?
Link 3: Acorn? Really? Jim O'Keefe get's the Acorn equivalent of a McD's employee to say something strange on camera resulting in the entire defunding of the operation, an operation which worked to improve the lives of the poor. Pure entrapment.
Link 4: Another anecdote, but I agree: if they're intimidating, or electioneering within 100' of the polling place, they should be arrested, per the law.
IRS Scandal: That was bad, and you won't see me defending it. Although the IRS delayed approval for several liberal groups as well as many Tea Party groups, it was mostly Tea Party, and that discrimination never should have happened.

Okay, so you're pulling out isolated incidents carried out by individuals, even in the IRS case. Many of these are investigated, under investigation, and/or prosecuted (Acorn unjustly so, IMO). The worst among them is the IRS scandal.

However, all of these are a drop in the bucket compared to what I'm talking about: A massively funded multipronged nationwide coordinated attack on democracy by the Republicans:
- Attempting to weaken the president by delegitimizing him using a plethora of groups pushing various misinformation and lies (Birthers, etc.).
- Attempting to disenfranchise entire classes of voters, potentially millions of people by limiting early voting and pushing for voter ID laws to attempt to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist.
- Attempting to overturn the constitutional law of the land by shutting down the government instead of using the legislative process.
- Blocking and filibustering democratic legislation and appointees at a rate unprecedented in history

Why do you keep defending the indefensible? Notice how I agree the IRS scandal was wrong. You've done none of that.

At the least we agree on the IRS scandal. And while I really don't buy into the birther garbage, and that's exactly what it is garbage, I find it extremely hard to deny that Obama is trying to fundamentally change the US and and not for the better, the obvious socialist tones he often makes in his speeches quite honestly are frightening to someone who values the Constitution and wishes this country to remain free, and continue to have rights, like the 2nd amendment. His desire to gun grab when you need look no further than his very own home district of Shitcago to see that oppressive gun laws do nothing to reduce crime. Instead they do the opposite, empower criminals because they know they're the ones with the guns.

Can you at least acknowledge the points at hand before you go off on another tangent? What exactly do you believe Obama has done to create this "overgrown executive branch" that wasn't already being done by Bush?
 
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307. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 21:34 RollinThundr
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:10:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 20:35:

And what do we have now? An overgrown Executive branch. Thank you Eric Holder and Barack Obama.

1. The overgrown executive branch started with W and Cheney, thank you very much.
2. Stick to the topic. Agree we can cut the defense budget by half, and give out free M16s to anyone who wants one? That both decreases spending and the size of gov't, and maintains the militia you're so fond of.

Sure, can we cut welfare by 50% as well?
 
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306. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 21:33 RollinThundr
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:06:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 08:55:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 03:24:
Wall of liberal drivel
http://tinyurl.com/oxm87bo, http://tinyurl.com/kcaeqf3, http://tinyurl.com/mxudu9s, http://tinyurl.com/2w4jgsd

Yeah it's totally the republicans who commit voter fraud and intimidation.

Also of note is the IRS audits against Tea Party groups because they're TP groups. Should I continue? Or are you going to continue to only say the republicans are bad?

Wow, really? That's all you've got? Let's look at these.

Link 1: someone voted for Obama six times. Like I said, there were 24 cases of voter fraud. Obviously she's one of them. 24 out of 197,000,000. Lightening strikes and shark bites.
Link 2: Anecdotal. Where's the follow up? What's the other side of the story, could it have been simple miscommunication?
Link 3: Acorn? Really? Jim O'Keefe get's the Acorn equivalent of a McD's employee to say something strange on camera resulting in the entire defunding of the operation, an operation which worked to improve the lives of the poor. Pure entrapment.
Link 4: Another anecdote, but I agree: if they're intimidating, or electioneering within 100' of the polling place, they should be arrested, per the law.
IRS Scandal: That was bad, and you won't see me defending it. Although the IRS delayed approval for several liberal groups as well as many Tea Party groups, it was mostly Tea Party, and that discrimination never should have happened.

Okay, so you're pulling out isolated incidents carried out by individuals, even in the IRS case. Many of these are investigated, under investigation, and/or prosecuted (Acorn unjustly so, IMO). The worst among them is the IRS scandal.

However, all of these are a drop in the bucket compared to what I'm talking about: A massively funded multipronged nationwide coordinated attack on democracy by the Republicans:
- Attempting to weaken the president by delegitimizing him using a plethora of groups pushing various misinformation and lies (Birthers, etc.).
- Attempting to disenfranchise entire classes of voters, potentially millions of people by limiting early voting and pushing for voter ID laws to attempt to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist.
- Attempting to overturn the constitutional law of the land by shutting down the government instead of using the legislative process.
- Blocking and filibustering democratic legislation and appointees at a rate unprecedented in history

Why do you keep defending the indefensible? Notice how I agree the IRS scandal was wrong. You've done none of that.

At the least we agree on the IRS scandal. And while I really don't buy into the birther garbage, and that's exactly what it is garbage, I find it extremely hard to deny that Obama is trying to fundamentally change the US and and not for the better, the obvious socialist tones he often makes in his speeches quite honestly are frightening to someone who values the Constitution and wishes this country to remain free, and continue to have rights, like the 2nd amendment. His desire to gun grab when you need look no further than his very own home district of Shitcago to see that oppressive gun laws do nothing to reduce crime. Instead they do the opposite, empower criminals because they know they're the ones with the guns.
 
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305. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 21:28 Sepharo
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:19:
Don't give him ideas!

That IRS thing stinks. Supposedly the reason was that tax dodgers were associating themselves with the TP precisely because auditing them would be awkward. That's possible but I'm really rather far from convinced.

I never really understood what was wrong with targeting a group whose acronym stood for "Taxed Enough Already" for extra scrutiny when applying for tax exemption. Also did anyone ever find any malice applied to the keyword list? Seemed like they just told the program to look for certain keywords that would get extra scrutiny, and subsequent reports showed there were all kinds of things on that list including lefty groups.
 
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304. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 21:19 Quboid
 
Don't give him ideas!

That IRS thing stinks. Supposedly the reason was that tax dodgers were associating themselves with the TP precisely because auditing them would be awkward. That's possible but I'm really rather far from convinced.
 
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303. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 21:10 jdreyer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 20:35:

And what do we have now? An overgrown Executive branch. Thank you Eric Holder and Barack Obama.

1. The overgrown executive branch started with W and Cheney, thank you very much.
2. Stick to the topic. Agree we can cut the defense budget by half, and give out free M16s to anyone who wants one? That both decreases spending and the size of gov't, and maintains the militia you're so fond of.
 
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302. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 21:06 jdreyer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 08:55:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 03:24:
Wall of liberal drivel
http://tinyurl.com/oxm87bo, http://tinyurl.com/kcaeqf3, http://tinyurl.com/mxudu9s, http://tinyurl.com/2w4jgsd

Yeah it's totally the republicans who commit voter fraud and intimidation.

Also of note is the IRS audits against Tea Party groups because they're TP groups. Should I continue? Or are you going to continue to only say the republicans are bad?

Wow, really? That's all you've got? Let's look at these.

Link 1: someone voted for Obama six times. Like I said, there were 24 cases of voter fraud. Obviously she's one of them. 24 out of 197,000,000. Lightening strikes and shark bites.
Link 2: Anecdotal. Where's the follow up? What's the other side of the story, could it have been simple miscommunication?
Link 3: Acorn? Really? Jim O'Keefe get's the Acorn equivalent of a McD's employee to say something strange on camera resulting in the entire defunding of the operation, an operation which worked to improve the lives of the poor. Pure entrapment.
Link 4: Another anecdote, but I agree: if they're intimidating, or electioneering within 100' of the polling place, they should be arrested, per the law.
IRS Scandal: That was bad, and you won't see me defending it. Although the IRS delayed approval for several liberal groups as well as many Tea Party groups, it was mostly Tea Party, and that discrimination never should have happened.

Okay, so you're pulling out isolated incidents carried out by individuals, even in the IRS case. Many of these are investigated, under investigation, and/or prosecuted (Acorn unjustly so, IMO). The worst among them is the IRS scandal.

However, all of these are a drop in the bucket compared to what I'm talking about: A massively funded multipronged nationwide coordinated attack on democracy by the Republicans:

- Attempting to weaken the president by delegitimizing him using a plethora of groups pushing various misinformation and lies (Birthers, etc.).
- Attempting to disenfranchise entire classes of voters, potentially millions of people by limiting early voting and pushing for voter ID laws to attempt to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist.
- Attempting to overturn the constitutional law of the land by shutting down the government instead of using the legislative process.
- Blocking and filibustering democratic legislation and appointees at a rate unprecedented in history

Why do you keep defending the indefensible? Notice how I agree the IRS scandal was wrong. You've done none of that.

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301. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 21:01 Quboid
 
Yep, that never happened before. Before New Labour opened the borders and pushed health care and benefits on anyone they could, everyone in London got along fine. You've seen Mary Poppins? It was adorable!  
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300. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 20:59 RollinThundr
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 20:50:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 20:12:
Since you missed it the first time. This is what's going on in the streets of London. To think your leaders could have stopped it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6CHtGGo4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYFzrEIzoHE

Religious nuts want to force people to follow their rules. What else is new? Luckily that's not the way things work.

The unfortunate thing is Brits feeling unsafe in London. This is what happens when you allow immigration to go unchecked.
 
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