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359. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 15:34 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 15:03:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 13:47:
Beamer wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 05:48:
This idiot thinks small business owners don't have jobs. And people working multiple part time jobs. And people paid hourly.

basically, to him, anyone not in corporate America is an unwashed hippie. Things must be really cold in Salem.

oh ffs you're going to wipe out small business owners, they won't be able to afford this shit. Do you even think before you speak?

If you love socialism so much get out, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Jesus, man. I had to click to see what you said. I don't think you understand what a "small business" is.
Businesses with under 50 employees, you know, the small ones, don't have to provide health insurance. As a result, they pretty much never do.

So if you work for a small business, you likely don't have insurance. And if you own a small business your personal insurance comes out of the profits, but you're not getting "crushed" because you're not providing your employees with anything.

Per Forbes, 96% of businesses in America have under 50 employees, so they do not need to offer coverage.

Facts: they're useful!


If we're going anecdotal, my dad owned a restaurant with under 50 employees. None of those employees had health care, so they had to buy it themselves. They are much, much better off now.
My dad had to buy his own, too. He complained to me, bitterly and often, about how annoyed he was that my mom quit her job as a teacher when she had kids, because she instead ended up as an office manager at a place that limited her to 35 hours per week to avoid giving her benefits. If she'd stayed a teacher, her benefits would cover both of them. Instead my dad was (maybe still is, I can ask later) paying $2,000 per month in insurance for the two of them.

My Dad, by the way, is against Obamacare. Which is so weird to me. He's the exact person this is designed to help!

As he should be because what you're doing with Obamacare is going to put an over all drain on the economy. Healthcare is a service.

Educated yourself. http://tinyurl.com/8fep89q
That's a .gov link btw. Click it, read it, then come back and preach to me about how wonderful Obamacare is.

From said .gov link.
In 2014, the coverage expansions under the ACA result in projected private health insurance premium growth of 7.9 percent (4.1 percentage points higher than in the absence of reform) due to an estimated 12.3 million people obtaining coverage through the new exchanges(including 3.1 million newly insured). On a per enrollee basis, premium growth is expected to reach 7.1 percent in 2014, up from 4.1 percent in 2013,as a result of more generous health plans being offered to people eligible for government subsidies.

For 2015-2021, growth in private health insurance premiums is projected to slow somewhat and to average 5.9 percent annually,
in part due to an expectation that some large employers of low wage workers will discontinue coverage,resulting in their employees gaining coverage through Medicaid or the exchange plans. Further,
in 2018,a provision from the ACA imposes an excise tax on high cost private health insurance plans. This is expected to lead to affected enrollees shifting from more generous plans to lower cost plans that have tighter utilization requirements, narrower networks,or higher cost sharing.


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358. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 15:29 Quboid
 
You can't handle things that aren't absolutes, can you? People helping one another isn't socialism, it's society. The ACA isn't socialism and affordable healthcare isn't socialism.

If you and your ilk could understand this, maybe you'd be looking for affordable healthcare rather than wreaking any attempt at such at every possible opportunity even if it means wreaking the economy at the same time.

Rather than accept the decision of elected officials, the electorate and the SCOTUS, your boys piss and moan so much you (and you alone) shut down the government. No fucking wonder the ACA has teething problems (and as yet, nothing more), it's literally compromised by people who have the nerve to complain that the president won't compromise yet again (despite elected officials, electorate, SCOTUS backing him). And you're so stupid, you lap up their lies.

Speaking of lies, what did I deny?? What's that nonsense about?
 
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357. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 15:03 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 13:47:
Beamer wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 05:48:
This idiot thinks small business owners don't have jobs. And people working multiple part time jobs. And people paid hourly.

basically, to him, anyone not in corporate America is an unwashed hippie. Things must be really cold in Salem.

oh ffs you're going to wipe out small business owners, they won't be able to afford this shit. Do you even think before you speak?

If you love socialism so much get out, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Jesus, man. I had to click to see what you said. I don't think you understand what a "small business" is.
Businesses with under 50 employees, you know, the small ones, don't have to provide health insurance. As a result, they pretty much never do.

So if you work for a small business, you likely don't have insurance. And if you own a small business your personal insurance comes out of the profits, but you're not getting "crushed" because you're not providing your employees with anything.

Per Forbes, 96% of businesses in America have under 50 employees, so they do not need to offer coverage.

Facts: they're useful!


If we're going anecdotal, my dad owned a restaurant with under 50 employees. None of those employees had health care, so they had to buy it themselves. They are much, much better off now.
My dad had to buy his own, too. He complained to me, bitterly and often, about how annoyed he was that my mom quit her job as a teacher when she had kids, because she instead ended up as an office manager at a place that limited her to 35 hours per week to avoid giving her benefits. If she'd stayed a teacher, her benefits would cover both of them. Instead my dad was (maybe still is, I can ask later) paying $2,000 per month in insurance for the two of them.

My Dad, by the way, is against Obamacare. Which is so weird to me. He's the exact person this is designed to help!
 
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356. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 14:53 RollinThundr
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 14:36:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 13:47:
If you love socialism so much get out, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Quboid wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 20:21:
In my experience, to the far-social-right, freedom means freedom for them and them alone to do what they want

Land of the free, right there.

The fact that you deny Obama and those of his ilk are working hard to fundamentally change the US, subvert the Constitution and do it all behind the scenes with distraction after distraction just makes me eye roll.

Life isn't easy, when you're born you're not entitled to be handed a life. Most of us realize that, you work hard to get an education, then you apply that knowledge to make a life, career etc for yourself.

It's like you expect people to be just handed things on the backs of everyone else who actually went out and earned what they have. That's not how it works and it's proven to fail every time it's been tried throughout history by making everyone a slave to the state without the freedoms we currently enjoy. That brand of thinking is flat out dangerous.

Anyone can be successful, it takes work, it takes being responsible. Just because you liberals don't like that and your hearts bleed for those who refuse to make a god damn effort doesn't give you the right to fuck over everyone else based on your precious little feelings of injustice or whatever.
 
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355. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 14:53 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 13:32:
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 13:08:
HAHAHAHAHA. HA! Welcome to the real world.

Oh God you kiddies crack me up. It will be fun watching you try to make a living after college.

How long do you have left in college, Beamer?

I'm not familiar with the Weekly Standard, let's see, top 5 headlines ... anti-democrat, anti-democrat, pro-republican, anti-democrat and anti-democrat. I can't comment on the specifics of the article (my health bills have always been $0.00) but in general, that's not the real world - that's one of those ideology affirming media sources I mentioned.

Reading sites like that (and I include left-wing equivalents) leaves you less informed than you were before visiting.

I don't even get why he quoted me with that post. It has nothing to do with what I had said.
 
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354. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 14:36 Quboid
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 13:47:
If you love socialism so much get out, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Quboid wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 20:21:
In my experience, to the far-social-right, freedom means freedom for them and them alone to do what they want

Land of the free, right there.
 
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353. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 13:50 RollinThundr
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 13:32:
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 13:08:
HAHAHAHAHA. HA! Welcome to the real world.

Oh God you kiddies crack me up. It will be fun watching you try to make a living after college.

How long do you have left in college, Beamer?

I'm not familiar with the Weekly Standard, let's see, top 5 headlines ... anti-democrat, anti-democrat, pro-republican, anti-democrat and anti-democrat. I can't comment on the specifics of the article (my health bills have always been $0.00) but in general, that's not the real world - that's one of those ideology affirming media sources I mentioned.

Reading sites like that (and I include left-wing equivalents) leaves you less informed than you were before visiting.

So use one of the many other sources that are more even keeled that are saying the exact same thing. There's plenty out there. Obama lied to you is still lying to you and you eat it up like candy, granted you're in the UK so you're already used to living in a nanny state to begin with.
 
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352. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 13:47 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 05:48:
This idiot thinks small business owners don't have jobs. And people working multiple part time jobs. And people paid hourly.

basically, to him, anyone not in corporate America is an unwashed hippie. Things must be really cold in Salem.

oh ffs you're going to wipe out small business owners, they won't be able to afford this shit. Do you even think before you speak?

If you love socialism so much get out, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
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351. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 13:32 Quboid
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 13:08:
HAHAHAHAHA. HA! Welcome to the real world.

Oh God you kiddies crack me up. It will be fun watching you try to make a living after college.

How long do you have left in college, Beamer?

I'm not familiar with the Weekly Standard, let's see, top 5 headlines ... anti-democrat, anti-democrat, pro-republican, anti-democrat and anti-democrat. I can't comment on the specifics of the article (my health bills have always been $0.00) but in general, that's not the real world - that's one of those ideology affirming media sources I mentioned.

Reading sites like that (and I include left-wing equivalents) leaves you less informed than you were before visiting.
 
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350. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 13:08 Mad Max RW
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 00:04:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 23:00:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 22:50:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 22:44:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 13:52:
Oh wait, Ms Kohn is a liberal. That explains it. [...]

That's actually why I posted it. Figured you would get a kick out of it.

Not surprised. So it's a joke to you then. Look at the national average for what Obamacare is going to ultimately cost people, and the numbers don't lie. Just like the myth about Clinton's magical non existent surplus we have the democrats bold faced outright lying again. And it's you and me, and all the rest of the American tax payers, whether you're liberal, republican, or anywhere in between who are going to pay for it. Fucking awesome.

My younger sisters get to stay on my mom's insurance for a few more years because of Obamacare but they got estimates from the exchange anyway and it's going to be cheaper for them then pre-Obamacare health insurance when they do eventually need it. I'm provided health insurance by my company that's $16 a paycheck for health and $3.25 for dental and I put $5 in my flexspend. So with two paychecks a month that's $48.50. I think it might've just gone up a bit a few months ago and the CEO sent out an email that he'll make sure it stays reasonable since our health is important to him.

That's really all the anecdotal evidence I have left.

In general, it's a bit more expensive for people that are working with salary, aka people that can afford it, and cheaper for those that are not working with salaries, aka people that desperately need it and cannot afford it.

HAHAHAHAHA. HA! Welcome to the real world.

Oh God you kiddies crack me up. It will be fun watching you try to make a living after college.
 
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349. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 09:39 Quboid
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 00:19:
Beamer wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 00:04:
In general, it's a bit more expensive for people that are working with salary, aka people that can afford it, and cheaper for those that are not working with salaries, aka people that desperately need it and cannot afford it.

So you're basically confirming the point I've been making the whole time, that the people who earn a living should pay for those who refuse to. And you somehow think this is fair or logical.

You people make me fucking ill.

What illness causes the phrase "those that are not working with salaries" to turn into "those who refuse to [work]"? That sounds serious!
 
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348. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 07:24 Redmask
 
You guys have to stop trying to make him read, he gets really angry when hes forced to use his brain to actually process and understand things.

HODOR HODOR HODOR TAXES HODOR LIBERAL HODOR

The hilarious thing is that he's a closet Liberal anyway, just wants to blow all of our money on other areas of government.
 
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347. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 05:48 Beamer
 
This idiot thinks small business owners don't have jobs. And people working multiple part time jobs. And people paid hourly.

basically, to him, anyone not in corporate America is an unwashed hippie. Things must be really cold in Salem.
 
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346. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 02:51 Sepharo
 
Dude I was agreeing with you. No need for another rant about how you don't want to support grandma.  
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345. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 01:30 RollinThundr
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 00:39:
Living in a society is unamerican.
Every man for themselves, that's what makes this country strong.
Keep your government hands off my Medicare!

lol here we go with the bleeding heart bullshit and lack of personal responsibility again. IT IS NOT the job of the people who work for a living to carry everyone else. Get a fucking job, get a life, stop feeling the world owes you a god damn thing.

Life isn't a utopia, the real world doesn't work that way, What makes this country strong is our freedoms and our rights. If you want to live a good live you go out and fucking earn it, you don't expect everyone else to pay your way.

Your liberal professors may have told you you're entitled, that doesn't make it so.
 
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344. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 00:39 Sepharo
 
Living in a society is unamerican.
Every man for themselves, that's what makes this country strong.
Keep your government hands off my Medicare!
 
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343. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 00:19 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 24, 2013, 00:04:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 23:00:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 22:50:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 22:44:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 13:52:
Oh wait, Ms Kohn is a liberal. That explains it. [...]

That's actually why I posted it. Figured you would get a kick out of it.

Not surprised. So it's a joke to you then. Look at the national average for what Obamacare is going to ultimately cost people, and the numbers don't lie. Just like the myth about Clinton's magical non existent surplus we have the democrats bold faced outright lying again. And it's you and me, and all the rest of the American tax payers, whether you're liberal, republican, or anywhere in between who are going to pay for it. Fucking awesome.

My younger sisters get to stay on my mom's insurance for a few more years because of Obamacare but they got estimates from the exchange anyway and it's going to be cheaper for them then pre-Obamacare health insurance when they do eventually need it. I'm provided health insurance by my company that's $16 a paycheck for health and $3.25 for dental and I put $5 in my flexspend. So with two paychecks a month that's $48.50. I think it might've just gone up a bit a few months ago and the CEO sent out an email that he'll make sure it stays reasonable since our health is important to him.

That's really all the anecdotal evidence I have left.

In general, it's a bit more expensive for people that are working with salary, aka people that can afford it, and cheaper for those that are not working with salaries, aka people that desperately need it and cannot afford it.

So you're basically confirming the point I've been making the whole time, that the people who earn a living should pay for those who refuse to. And you somehow think this is fair or logical.

You people make me fucking ill.

 
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342. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 24, 2013, 00:04 Beamer
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 23:00:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 22:50:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 22:44:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 13:52:
Oh wait, Ms Kohn is a liberal. That explains it. [...]

That's actually why I posted it. Figured you would get a kick out of it.

Not surprised. So it's a joke to you then. Look at the national average for what Obamacare is going to ultimately cost people, and the numbers don't lie. Just like the myth about Clinton's magical non existent surplus we have the democrats bold faced outright lying again. And it's you and me, and all the rest of the American tax payers, whether you're liberal, republican, or anywhere in between who are going to pay for it. Fucking awesome.

My younger sisters get to stay on my mom's insurance for a few more years because of Obamacare but they got estimates from the exchange anyway and it's going to be cheaper for them then pre-Obamacare health insurance when they do eventually need it. I'm provided health insurance by my company that's $16 a paycheck for health and $3.25 for dental and I put $5 in my flexspend. So with two paychecks a month that's $48.50. I think it might've just gone up a bit a few months ago and the CEO sent out an email that he'll make sure it stays reasonable since our health is important to him.

That's really all the anecdotal evidence I have left.

In general, it's a bit more expensive for people that are working with salary, aka people that can afford it, and cheaper for those that are not working with salaries, aka people that desperately need it and cannot afford it.
 
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341. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 23, 2013, 23:27 Sepharo
 
I think they might only be making it affordable for liberals.  
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340. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 23, 2013, 23:19 RollinThundr
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 23:00:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 22:50:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 22:44:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 13:52:
Oh wait, Ms Kohn is a liberal. That explains it. [...]

That's actually why I posted it. Figured you would get a kick out of it.

Not surprised. So it's a joke to you then. Look at the national average for what Obamacare is going to ultimately cost people, and the numbers don't lie. Just like the myth about Clinton's magical non existent surplus we have the democrats bold faced outright lying again. And it's you and me, and all the rest of the American tax payers, whether you're liberal, republican, or anywhere in between who are going to pay for it. Fucking awesome.

My younger sisters get to stay on my mom's insurance for a few more years because of Obamacare but they got estimates from the exchange anyway and it's going to be cheaper for them then pre-Obamacare health insurance when they do eventually need it. I'm provided health insurance by my company that's $16 a paycheck for health and $3.25 for dental and I put $5 in my flexspend. So with two paychecks a month that's $48.50. I think it might've just gone up a bit a few months ago and the CEO sent out an email that he'll make sure it stays reasonable since our health is important to him.

That's really all the anecdotal evidence I have left.

Well you and your sister are lucky then, because for the majority of Americans, Obamacare will end up costing them more. Remember Seph, I live in Mass, I've seen what Romneycare which is not that much different has done to medical insurance here. Let me tell you, it's not pretty.

Luckily for me, I get mine through work, if I had to pay for it myself, I'd end up paying fines or be in jail because the prices here are completely out of control.
 
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