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539. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 16:13 RollinThundr
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 15:23:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 15:20:
State facts about Obama's track record and lying. Liberals can't dispute, demonize poster instead. Don't ever change liberals don't ever change.

Can't engage on current argument, switch to another argument whilst quoting original argument, act oblivious.

You've read the 2nd amendment, especially the "are not to be infringed" part I'm sure. Ok with president trying to enact law changes with zero congressional oversight. NOTHING TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG! It's sad that you idiots need things spelt out for you.

Critical thinking is lost on this generation.
 
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538. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 15:26 Beamer
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 15:23:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 15:20:
State facts about Obama's track record and lying. Liberals can't dispute, demonize poster instead. Don't ever change liberals don't ever change.

Can't engage on current argument, switch to another argument whilst quoting original argument, act oblivious.

He STILL hasn't acknowledge the 23 Executive Actions "most" of which he was convinced were unconstitutional.

OH MY GOD OBAMA IS GOING TO "REVIEW" GUN SAFETY! THE SKY IS FALLING.


Now, I'm going to step away, I need to "review" which food trucks are parked outside my building and "release" funds to them for my lunch. I hope to god none of that is unconstitutional.
 
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537. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 15:23 Sepharo
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 15:20:
State facts about Obama's track record and lying. Liberals can't dispute, demonize poster instead. Don't ever change liberals don't ever change.

Can't engage on current argument, switch to another argument whilst quoting original argument, act oblivious.
 
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536. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 15:20 RollinThundr
 
State facts about Obama's track record and lying. Liberals can't dispute, demonize poster instead. Don't ever change liberals don't ever change.  
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535. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 14:56 nin
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:30:
nin wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:25:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:22:
Oops it's Healthcare and Benghazi time.
Rollin tires of this gun discussion.

Can we ban him now?

We still have 151 posts until we complete this shrine to his intellect.
You'll be famous Rollin!


Well, since you're so close now...

 
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534. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 14:32 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:25:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:22:
Oops it's Healthcare and Benghazi time.
Rollin tires of this gun discussion.

Can we ban him now?


He still hasn't commented on the 23 actions he keeps listing. He will probably keep calling them Executive Orders.

And, despite me basically ripping into Obama as badly as we're ripping into him, his only response is "you're being partisan." Yes, I make a post about the president sucking and your response, Thundr, is that I'm being too much of a democrat fanboy.

ANSWER WHICH OF THOSE 23 EXECUTIVE ORDERS ACTIONS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND HOW, AND WHY.

You can't. You are painted into a wall and you just keep flopping. It's amazing to see.

I'll bet you don't even know what those Actions mean (hint: nothing, really, it was a performance, not a piece of legislative history.) I'll bet you don't even know what qualifies as unconstitutional or not.
 
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533. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 14:30 Sepharo
 
nin wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:25:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:22:
Oops it's Healthcare and Benghazi time.
Rollin tires of this gun discussion.

Can we ban him now?

We still have 151 posts until we complete this shrine to his intellect.
You'll be famous Rollin!
 
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532. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 14:28 RollinThundr
 
nin wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:25:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:22:
Oops it's Healthcare and Benghazi time.
Rollin tires of this gun discussion.

Can we ban him now?


Says the guy who trolls people he doesn't agree with just to troll. Nin you're prolly the biggest hypocrite on the entire site just sayin.
 
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531. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 14:25 nin
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:22:
Oops it's Healthcare and Benghazi time.
Rollin tires of this gun discussion.

Can we ban him now?

 
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530. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 14:24 RollinThundr
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:22:
Oops it's Healthcare and Benghazi time.
Rollin tires of this gun discussion.

Nope just pointing out that you idiots give this guy a pass on everything under the sun. It's pathetic.
 
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529. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 14:22 Sepharo
 
Oops it's Healthcare and Benghazi time.
Rollin tires of this gun discussion.
 
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528. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 14:14 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 14:07:
Also, I basically say that Obama did nothing with those 23, it's all meaningless fluff and marketing to make him seem more decisive and competent despite doing nothing, basically calling to pointless showmanship and a waste of time, and somehow I'm being "partisan."


It's totally partisan, "You can keep your old plans" lie, "It will be cheaper" lie, we didn't know what was going on in benghazi, lie, they were watching it in real time.

FFS have you ever held him accountable on one issue? You've certainly blamed the GOP and Bush over and over with no problem. Yes you're absolutely a partisan hack.
 
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527. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 14:07 Beamer
 
Also, I basically say that Obama did nothing with those 23, it's all meaningless fluff and marketing to make him seem more decisive and competent despite doing nothing, basically calling to pointless showmanship and a waste of time, and somehow I'm being "partisan."

 
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526. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 14:05 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 13:56:
Action, order wtf ever, it's still not within his power to limit the 2nd amendment. period. Just like the rest of his coverups that you all give your little messiah a pass on.

Fact of the matter is Nixon got impeached for far less shit than our current Bozo in Chief.

Stop being partisan hacks and instead want what's best for the country, and I'll tell ya, Obozo, his racist wife, and the rest of the marxists he surrounds himself with, aren't it.

WHAT IS AGAINST THE SECOND AMENDMENT?
WHAT IN PARTICULAR?
GO TO THE LIST I POSTED, BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO, DESPITE BEING BEGGED FOR SEVERAL DAYS, AND TELL US WHAT IS CONTRARY TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
TELL US HOW IT IS. DON'T JUST SAY "Releasing a letter, that must be contrary," GIVE US SPECIFICS.
 
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525. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 13:56 RollinThundr
 
Action, order wtf ever, it's still not within his power to limit the 2nd amendment. period. Just like the rest of his coverups that you all give your little messiah a pass on.

Fact of the matter is Nixon got impeached for far less shit than our current Bozo in Chief.

Stop being partisan hacks and instead want what's best for the country, and I'll tell ya, Obozo, his racist wife, and the rest of the marxists he surrounds himself with, aren't it.
 
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524. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 13:47 Beamer
 
And, since Thundr is too goddamn stupid to do it, here's what those 23 Executive Actions are:
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
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4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health-care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law-enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency-response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental-health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental-health-parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

I doubt our resident monkeyboy has even read this list. What could possibly be unconsitutional? I mean, there's very little even being done. Action items include "review safety standards" and "release a letter." For godssake we've pretty much all done that in this very post. Also appoint an ATF director? Isn't that part of his daily job? Why is it even included?

This list is entirely fluff and unactionable crap. It's like a parent promising his kid he'll think about going on vacation to Disneyland. Sure, he'll think about it, for a few seconds, and achieve what he promised. That doesn't mean that kid is going to Disneyland. Making a proposal to rulemakers? Launching a campaign?

It's all trite bullshit. And RollinThundr is up in arms.




Maybe "providing law enforcement with better training for active shooter situations" (which could be achieved, in theory, by writing a fucking pamphlet, that's how trivial and vague that damn "action" is) is unconstitutional. I need to check that 28th amendment.
 
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523. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 13:38 Beamer
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 11:18:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 10:33:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 10:22:
You said: "He's also made reference to executive orders on the 2nd amendment which is not in his power to do."

Then you posted links to videos that specifically reference the 23 EOs that Obama laid out after Sandy Hook. It was only later that you started posted vids about other EOs.

So, yeah, you were talking about the 2nd amendment-related EOs. Would you care to retract that claim now since you can't seem to defend it?

Ahh ok, I see where the confusion is, I was referring to his comment that "I can do this via EO" not that he did. Sorry for the confusion there. However I still believe some if not all of those 23 are not legal. Especially confiscating private property, and work camps, ala fema camps which we have evidence have been popping up all over.

I've never heard as much mention of a fore coming martial law than I have in the last year or so. And I certainly wouldn't put it past him, the guy isn't genuine, it's obvious.
You keep say things like "some if not all of those 23 are illegal" but you have yet to say which ones and why. Put up or shut up.

Well, importantly, we've narrowed down that he doesn't mean Executive Orders, he means Executive Actions.

Do you know what an Executive Action is? Nothing! It's a fucking bullet point! It's something Obama says he will do, and give a fancy name so it sounds important, but is actually meaningless. It's something the President does all the time, and does not change any laws. Basically, some marketing idiot at the White House felt that it would sound like the President is taking firmer action if they call it an Executive Action instead of a priority or a project, and they felt that would make him sound more decisive and like he was doing more.

And, of course, the dumbest amongst us falls for it.
 
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522. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 13:35 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 11:17:
Beamer wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 10:40:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 10:33:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 10:22:
You said: "He's also made reference to executive orders on the 2nd amendment which is not in his power to do."

Then you posted links to videos that specifically reference the 23 EOs that Obama laid out after Sandy Hook. It was only later that you started posted vids about other EOs.

So, yeah, you were talking about the 2nd amendment-related EOs. Would you care to retract that claim now since you can't seem to defend it?

Ahh ok, I see where the confusion is, I was referring to his comment that "I can do this via EO" not that he did. Sorry for the confusion there. However I still believe some if not all of those 23 are not legal. Especially confiscating private property, and work camps, ala fema camps which we have evidence have been popping up all over.

I've never heard as much mention of a fore coming martial law than I have in the last year or so. And I certainly wouldn't put it past him, the guy isn't genuine, it's obvious.

Stop that. "Work camps."
Cite specific EOs. Cite phrases in them and your interpretation of them. Then cite the constitution.
Here, I can help:
Here is every EO Obama has issued, as a list and Here is the substance of them.

I won't find the Constitution for you, and it's fairly important you cite specific passages and your interpretation, because I don't believe you have much experience interpreting legalese and would like to see the specifics of how you get your opinions. I mean, I just googled +Obama +"work camps," and aside from the fact that the first 3 hits are all sketchy websites designed to get hits not give information, there are several Yahoo! Answers amazed at Obama's plan to put children to work, which is just an example of people completely failing to read anything beyond a Golden Book.

http://tinyurl.com/odmevq6

your list is mysteriously missing some. Go figure.

Oh for fuckssake, you know, this is why you're fucking stupid. You say shit like "mysteriously missing executive orders," then you link to something that ISN'T FUCKING EXECUTIVE ORDERS. Notice the term "executive action?" Guess what - executive actions and executive orders ARE NOT THE SAME FUCKING THING.

This is why no one can have a discussion with you - you say stupid shit. Holy fucking shit you're so fucking warped, AND YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER A SINGLE GODDAMN QUESTION.


Back in, what, 2005, there were all kinds of conspiracy theories about the Denver airport murals. People were convinced that the Denver airport was built as a cover for a giant FEMA workcamp. There was a lot of construction they said couldn't be explained, and some mysterious underground tunnels apparently. More importantly, they felt the murals explained all of this, because that's what the government does - it builds a giant workcamp big enough to house half the country and then it hires local artists, explains their grand scheme and has the artists paint murals depicting clues to the scheme because they're Bond villains.

Somewhere along the ways talk radio, and then Fox News, and then every other media outlet, realized that conspiracy theories were zealots and never stopped paying attention, discussing, etc. So they went less fringe and turned everything into a conspiracy theory. The entire federal government is always out to get you!


Rollin, you realize you sound like those Denver Airport conspiracy theoriests, right? You interpret simple things in convoluted, impossible ways, and you never, ever back a statement up with any kind of citation or fact. The best you do is link to an article or video, but never to the actual source (in this case, the fucking constitution.)

Anyway, again AN EXECUTIVE ACTION IS NOT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
 
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521. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 11:18 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 10:33:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 10:22:
You said: "He's also made reference to executive orders on the 2nd amendment which is not in his power to do."

Then you posted links to videos that specifically reference the 23 EOs that Obama laid out after Sandy Hook. It was only later that you started posted vids about other EOs.

So, yeah, you were talking about the 2nd amendment-related EOs. Would you care to retract that claim now since you can't seem to defend it?

Ahh ok, I see where the confusion is, I was referring to his comment that "I can do this via EO" not that he did. Sorry for the confusion there. However I still believe some if not all of those 23 are not legal. Especially confiscating private property, and work camps, ala fema camps which we have evidence have been popping up all over.

I've never heard as much mention of a fore coming martial law than I have in the last year or so. And I certainly wouldn't put it past him, the guy isn't genuine, it's obvious.
You keep say things like "some if not all of those 23 are illegal" but you have yet to say which ones and why. Put up or shut up.
 
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520. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 11:17 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 10:40:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 10:33:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 10:22:
You said: "He's also made reference to executive orders on the 2nd amendment which is not in his power to do."

Then you posted links to videos that specifically reference the 23 EOs that Obama laid out after Sandy Hook. It was only later that you started posted vids about other EOs.

So, yeah, you were talking about the 2nd amendment-related EOs. Would you care to retract that claim now since you can't seem to defend it?

Ahh ok, I see where the confusion is, I was referring to his comment that "I can do this via EO" not that he did. Sorry for the confusion there. However I still believe some if not all of those 23 are not legal. Especially confiscating private property, and work camps, ala fema camps which we have evidence have been popping up all over.

I've never heard as much mention of a fore coming martial law than I have in the last year or so. And I certainly wouldn't put it past him, the guy isn't genuine, it's obvious.

Stop that. "Work camps."
Cite specific EOs. Cite phrases in them and your interpretation of them. Then cite the constitution.
Here, I can help:
Here is every EO Obama has issued, as a list and Here is the substance of them.

I won't find the Constitution for you, and it's fairly important you cite specific passages and your interpretation, because I don't believe you have much experience interpreting legalese and would like to see the specifics of how you get your opinions. I mean, I just googled +Obama +"work camps," and aside from the fact that the first 3 hits are all sketchy websites designed to get hits not give information, there are several Yahoo! Answers amazed at Obama's plan to put children to work, which is just an example of people completely failing to read anything beyond a Golden Book.

http://tinyurl.com/odmevq6

your list is mysteriously missing some. Go figure.
 
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