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599. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 02:54 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 23:48:
Beamer wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 23:43:
Also, learn what socialism is. Buy a history book, read Wikipedia - something.


and answer the fucking 23 exec actions question or admit you have no clue what you were talking about and believed uninformed videos rather than learning for yourself. Like you refuse to with socialism.

I'll bet you never read a single thing you bitch about. Too. Believe what other morons say. The more outlandish the better. At least mad max outs out better articles, even if he doesn't bother making any analysis of them and just kind of spans them pointlessly (e.g., makes not attempt at making a point, just lists articles like he's some newsfeed.)

I've answered that 10 times already, when you start making EO's in regards to guns, you're circumventing congress, you're circumventing the Constitution. We have this thing called Due Process, look it up.

Government providing a service, or forcing a service, what would you call it, capitalism? THINK, use your fucking brain.

You haven't answered this, though you did just post a link to someone else's interpretation because you're unable to make you own.
You also haven't answered this because you keep saying "Derrrrr, Glenn beck says most are unconstitutional, but I can't figure out what the 23 are. You told me, but my feeble brain is too slow to specifically say "I believe numbers X, Y and Z are unconstitutional because..." These aren't adhoms, these are specific to you and your absolute inability to make a fucking argument despite you idiotic and irrational belief that saying "most are unconstitutional" is giving fucking facts you pet rock.

Also, next time you accuse me of not reading the Constitution, I remind you to search my history for "law school." You'll find me mentioning it quite often for 3 years. A- in ConLaw - that shit is dry - the Burger court gets redundant.

Anyway, the Supreme Court, long ago, deemed that Article II, Section 1, Clause 1 enables the President to make Executive Orders. That means that it's difficult for something the President is authorized to do by the Constitution to be unconstitutional. Difficult, but not impossible, of course.

The limitations on these orders are pretty clear, thanks to Youngstown Steel, which is pretty much one of the few ConLaw cases anyone remembers from 1L. Youngstown Steel says that an Executive Order cannot make a law.

This is all irrelevant to the discussion, though. Obama did not make any laws. He didn't even sign any Executive Orders. He signed Executive Actions. These are just administrative tidbits.

Your link, by the way, calls these Orders. It says "King Obama." And it claims he's trying to make law.
These are all talking points to get the absolute dumbest people in the country (I mean you) to buy into it. Let's run through those 23 again, shall we? But first, let's review Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers. Yup, as Younstown Steel says, only Congress can make a law. Then there's that Second Amendment: iA well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. (A note for you, jackass, this is how you cite shit you fucking moron. Stop posting tiny urls to bullshit websites.)

Now, getting back to the 23 actions, with bold being my emphasis:
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. This is not a law, as federal agencies have billions of requirements but are not regulated by billions of laws. Also, this does not infringe on any right of the second amendment. This is probably the most questionable, but how is having the background check system share data an infringement? Seriously, if you believe it is, explain specifically how it would infringe. Maybe you feel background checks infringe, but you already lost that court case, and since the problem here is the checks themselves, and they've already been found constitutional, anyone arguing otherwise is a maroon

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. This is not a law, because what the fuck does "address" mean? It's meaningless fluff and not actionable. Also does not infringe on he second amendment for the reasons #1 doesn't

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. Improving incentives? Not a law, hardly actionable, no infringement

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. "Direct" is meaningless. Not law, because directing someone isn't forcing them to under law. And not infringing, as it's vague but, again, the categories of individuals prohibited have been defended as constitutional, so it's impossible to argue this without arguing something the Court already deemed you stupid on

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. Proposing a law clearly isn't making law. This is, at best, a "note to self, ask Congress to do something. Hope they do it." And don't see how it's an infringement, it again just keeps guns out of the hands of people who, Constitutionally, aren't allowed to own them

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. Publishing a letter is in no way a law or an infringement.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. Launching a campaign is in no way a law or an infringement

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). Reviewing standards is hardly actionable, not a law, and not an infringement.

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. Again, this is a note-to-self, not a fucking law. And not an infringement, I mean, hell, no one even owns these guns to be infringed upon.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. Releasing a report: neither a law nor an infringement

11. Nominate an ATF director. A fucking stupid bullshit thing because Obama had to do it anyone. not a law. Not an infringement

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. As mentioned, this barely says anything. "Provide" could mean sending an email. Not a law. Not an infringement

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. What the fuck does this mean? Christ, these things are such PR fluff. Not a law, not an infringement, not meaningful, not anything. Did a fucking kid's choir sing while he did this?

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. A note-to-self. Not a law. Not an infringement

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies. Again, "Direct" is meaningless. Issuing a report isn't a law, anyway. Nor is it an infringement. Nor is "challenging." All meaningless verbs here.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. Does this mean change the Act, or does this mean make sure people know what's in the Act? In any case, not a law, and totally not an infringement. Worst case scenario - Doc: Do you have guns? Patient: I dunno. Doc: Ok, does it hurt when I do this?

17. Release a letter to health-care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law-enforcement authorities. Release another fucking letter. Not a law, because it says "no law," and not an infringement.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. Not a law, as it provides incentives (whatever that means, maybe it's a cookie or a lollipop), and not an infringement.

19. Develop model emergency-response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. HAHAHA, this is creating best practices. No one has to follow them, so not a law. Not an infringement.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental-health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
Releasing another GODDAMN letter. Not a law. Not an infringement. Not even gun related.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. Meaningless, not anything

22. Commit to finalizing mental-health-parity regulations. meaningless, not anything

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health. "Launch a dialogue?" Meaningless as shit. Not anything.


So, I really fail to see how any of these are even remotely a law, and therefore violate Youngstown Steel. I also fail to see how any of these infringe upon the Second Amendment. The ones that have even a tiny argument rely on the presumption that background checks and prohibited-categories are unconstitutional, but since they ARE constitutional, having been challenged repeatedly and found constitutional repeatedly, and having been currently law in this land, there's no argument to make there.

Also, RollinMoronWhoCan'tPostAThoughtOrFactForShitAndJustLinksToStupidArticles, this is how you make an argument. This is what specifics are.

Lastly, you should review the history of the Second Amendment and its limitations. People always point to it without understanding that we have 220 years of case law whittling and refining what those 27 words mean. They are not blanket and limtless. You cannot buy an RPG. You cannot buy a grenade launcher. You can not buy an Apache helicopter. This is all Constitutional. In particular, you should read Heller, both the decision and the Dissent (then again, you probably fail to understand why Dissents are important.)
 
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598. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 02:38 Sepharo
 
Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance

"50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”"

They will apparently be getting "better" insurance but it will most likely cost more if they aren't eligible for subsidies. I guess the "you can keep your insurance" mostly applied to the majority of the insured who got theirs through their employers assuming their employers didn't dick them over and drop coverage to save some bucks.

It illustrates the problem of trying to pitch things using simple sound bites. "If you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan... assuming it meets all the requirements imposed by Obamacare or has not changed in any significant ways since March 23, 2010” just isn't as catchy.

edit: I've just realized that this will be considered giving Obama a pass unless I call him a name so... <shakefist> Damn that Obozo lied!

edit2: Went to look at links from Mad Max and see that he pretty much posted this same one. It was sandwiched between some other more sensationalized articles so I missed it. Credit where credit due.

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597. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 01:20 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 00:55:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 00:18:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 00:03:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 23:24:
I love how you ignore the evidence that not only did Obama lie about people being allowed to keep their plans (fact he knew this 3 years ago to be false) but the fact that it's going to cost more, off the backs of younger folks who honestly at that age don't even need healthcare and could be better spending their money towards oh I dunno paying off their school loans, or a car, or a house. etc.

What the hell is wrong with you liberals? Do you honestly believe anyone owes you anything? Who taught you to think this way? I'd seriously like to know.

If you love socialism so much move to Canada, stop trying to redefine the US to be a god damn fucking nanny state where government tells you what to buy, when to buy it and how much to pay for it. Seriously did you get piledriven on your head as a kid?

Just so you're aware, I've saved this entire thread to PDF. Once President Clinton and VP Pelosi are in charge, I'll be forwarding it to Homeland Security so they'll know to watch your dissident ass closely!

Why not just answer the question, if you're so for Obozocare, explain why.

Sure, right after you give specifics on which of the 23 executive actions are unconstitutional and explain specifically why.

Rand Paul agrees with me, you cannot essentially write things into law without going through congress.
http://tinyurl.com/mt23br6
"We only have descriptions of the executive actions, yet many could be construed to describe an attempt by the executive to make laws in violation of the Article 1, Sec. 8 of the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment,”
Regardless of whether these executive orders exist or not, one must realize that the President signing any executive order regarding gun control is unconstitutional because it bypasses the legislative branch. Executive orders can only be directed to departments of government over which the President has authority.

It's why I question whether folks like you or beamer even have read the Constitution. My guess is you haven't.

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596. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 00:55 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 00:18:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 00:03:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 23:24:
I love how you ignore the evidence that not only did Obama lie about people being allowed to keep their plans (fact he knew this 3 years ago to be false) but the fact that it's going to cost more, off the backs of younger folks who honestly at that age don't even need healthcare and could be better spending their money towards oh I dunno paying off their school loans, or a car, or a house. etc.

What the hell is wrong with you liberals? Do you honestly believe anyone owes you anything? Who taught you to think this way? I'd seriously like to know.

If you love socialism so much move to Canada, stop trying to redefine the US to be a god damn fucking nanny state where government tells you what to buy, when to buy it and how much to pay for it. Seriously did you get piledriven on your head as a kid?

Just so you're aware, I've saved this entire thread to PDF. Once President Clinton and VP Pelosi are in charge, I'll be forwarding it to Homeland Security so they'll know to watch your dissident ass closely!

Why not just answer the question, if you're so for Obozocare, explain why.

Sure, right after you give specifics on which of the 23 executive actions are unconstitutional and explain specifically why.
 
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595. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 00:18 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 00:03:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 23:24:
I love how you ignore the evidence that not only did Obama lie about people being allowed to keep their plans (fact he knew this 3 years ago to be false) but the fact that it's going to cost more, off the backs of younger folks who honestly at that age don't even need healthcare and could be better spending their money towards oh I dunno paying off their school loans, or a car, or a house. etc.

What the hell is wrong with you liberals? Do you honestly believe anyone owes you anything? Who taught you to think this way? I'd seriously like to know.

If you love socialism so much move to Canada, stop trying to redefine the US to be a god damn fucking nanny state where government tells you what to buy, when to buy it and how much to pay for it. Seriously did you get piledriven on your head as a kid?

Just so you're aware, I've saved this entire thread to PDF. Once President Clinton and VP Pelosi are in charge, I'll be forwarding it to Homeland Security so they'll know to watch your dissident ass closely!

Why not just answer the question, if you're so for Obozocare, explain why.
 
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594. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 00:03 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 23:24:
I love how you ignore the evidence that not only did Obama lie about people being allowed to keep their plans (fact he knew this 3 years ago to be false) but the fact that it's going to cost more, off the backs of younger folks who honestly at that age don't even need healthcare and could be better spending their money towards oh I dunno paying off their school loans, or a car, or a house. etc.

What the hell is wrong with you liberals? Do you honestly believe anyone owes you anything? Who taught you to think this way? I'd seriously like to know.

If you love socialism so much move to Canada, stop trying to redefine the US to be a god damn fucking nanny state where government tells you what to buy, when to buy it and how much to pay for it. Seriously did you get piledriven on your head as a kid?

Just so you're aware, I've saved this entire thread to PDF. Once President Clinton and VP Pelosi are in charge, I'll be forwarding it to Homeland Security so they'll know to watch your dissident ass closely!
 
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593. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 23:48 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 23:43:
Also, learn what socialism is. Buy a history book, read Wikipedia - something.


and answer the fucking 23 exec actions question or admit you have no clue what you were talking about and believed uninformed videos rather than learning for yourself. Like you refuse to with socialism.

I'll bet you never read a single thing you bitch about. Too. Believe what other morons say. The more outlandish the better. At least mad max outs out better articles, even if he doesn't bother making any analysis of them and just kind of spans them pointlessly (e.g., makes not attempt at making a point, just lists articles like he's some newsfeed.)

I've answered that 10 times already, when you start making EO's in regards to guns, you're circumventing congress, you're circumventing the Constitution. We have this thing called Due Process, look it up.

Government providing a service, or forcing a service, what would you call it, capitalism? THINK, use your fucking brain.
 
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592. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 23:47 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 23:04:
You really believe millions are going to sign up. That's adorable. Have you signed up yet?
Why would I? I have pretty good insurance already.
 
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591. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 23:45 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 23:38:
Most here are likely better, as individuals, without obamacare. So I don't know where this "owe us something" comes from. You have a damn government job, taxes pay your salary. I guess you don't deserve any raises, that would be owing you something.

fortunately, many of us are smart enough to realize an economy runs on many, not individuals.

An economy that you're going to cut a huge chunk out of, do you realize how much of our economy IS the medical industry?

I'm also forced, yes you read that right, forced, to be in a union, money is taken involuntarily each pay period and I'll give you 3 guesses which party those dues go to and the first two don't count.

I'm just really trying to understand the viewpoint that Obamacare is somehow magically going to fix healthcare when it's mostly likely going to do anything but, yet you liberals still support it? It just doesn't make any logical sense. Not trolling here beamer, honestly I'd like to hear your reasoning.
 
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590. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 23:43 Beamer
 
Also, learn what socialism is. Buy a history book, read Wikipedia - something.


and answer the fucking 23 exec actions question or admit you have no clue what you were talking about and believed uninformed videos rather than learning for yourself. Like you refuse to with socialism.

I'll bet you never read a single thing you bitch about. Too. Believe what other morons say. The more outlandish the better. At least mad max outs out better articles, even if he doesn't bother making any analysis of them and just kind of spans them pointlessly (e.g., makes not attempt at making a point, just lists articles like he's some newsfeed.)
 
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589. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 23:38 Beamer
 
Most here are likely better, as individuals, without obamacare. So I don't know where this "owe us something" comes from. You have a damn government job, taxes pay your salary. I guess you don't deserve any raises, that would be owing you something.

fortunately, many of us are smart enough to realize an economy runs on many, not individuals.
 
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588. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 23:24 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 22:37:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 21:24:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 21:17:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:39:
I snipped the full quoted discussion because it was getting long but the last two replies are there in their entirety. Did you think you said more?

edit: I guess go look at 577 if you'd like to see how Rollin rolls.

Well, this has been hilarious, but I'm pretty much convinced that RT is either completely unhinged or a brilliant troll. I'm leaning towards the former though, because really, I can't fathom a troll that wouldn't have gotten bored with this thread long ago.

RT should probably be heavily medicated. Hopefully Obamacare will help him get the treatment he so badly needs.

cute bagger, it's collapsing on itself and I couldn't be happier, finally maybe people will start waking up about how dishonest and power hungry democrats are.

They'll work the bugs out over the next couple months. By this time next year millions will have signed up and the Tea Party will have continued to be crazy, handing some House seats back to the Dems, or at least to more moderate Republicans.

By 2016 Obamacare will be well entrenched and providing health care at least as well as Medicare does today, and nobody will want the Republicans to touch it. Ted Cruz will be the nominee ushered in by the lunatic fringe which will lead to a landslide victory for Hillary!

All because people like you, RT, are completely fucking nuts. So much so that you can't even recognize it. But others do, and they don't want to let anymore nutjobs anywhere near the government.

Enjoy the bitchslapping that reality is gonna give you in the coming years


I love how you ignore the evidence that not only did Obama lie about people being allowed to keep their plans (fact he knew this 3 years ago to be false) but the fact that it's going to cost more, off the backs of younger folks who honestly at that age don't even need healthcare and could be better spending their money towards oh I dunno paying off their school loans, or a car, or a house. etc.

What the hell is wrong with you liberals? Do you honestly believe anyone owes you anything? Who taught you to think this way? I'd seriously like to know.

If you love socialism so much move to Canada, stop trying to redefine the US to be a god damn fucking nanny state where government tells you what to buy, when to buy it and how much to pay for it. Seriously did you get piledriven on your head as a kid?
 
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587. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 23:04 Mad Max RW
 
You really believe millions are going to sign up. That's adorable. Have you signed up yet?  
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586. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 22:37 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 21:24:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 21:17:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:39:
I snipped the full quoted discussion because it was getting long but the last two replies are there in their entirety. Did you think you said more?

edit: I guess go look at 577 if you'd like to see how Rollin rolls.

Well, this has been hilarious, but I'm pretty much convinced that RT is either completely unhinged or a brilliant troll. I'm leaning towards the former though, because really, I can't fathom a troll that wouldn't have gotten bored with this thread long ago.

RT should probably be heavily medicated. Hopefully Obamacare will help him get the treatment he so badly needs.

cute bagger, it's collapsing on itself and I couldn't be happier, finally maybe people will start waking up about how dishonest and power hungry democrats are.

They'll work the bugs out over the next couple months. By this time next year millions will have signed up and the Tea Party will have continued to be crazy, handing some House seats back to the Dems, or at least to more moderate Republicans.

By 2016 Obamacare will be well entrenched and providing health care at least as well as Medicare does today, and nobody will want the Republicans to touch it. Ted Cruz will be the nominee ushered in by the lunatic fringe which will lead to a landslide victory for Hillary!

All because people like you, RT, are completely fucking nuts. So much so that you can't even recognize it. But others do, and they don't want to let anymore nutjobs anywhere near the government.

Enjoy the bitchslapping that reality is gonna give you in the coming years

 
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585. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 21:24 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 21:17:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:39:
I snipped the full quoted discussion because it was getting long but the last two replies are there in their entirety. Did you think you said more?

edit: I guess go look at 577 if you'd like to see how Rollin rolls.

Well, this has been hilarious, but I'm pretty much convinced that RT is either completely unhinged or a brilliant troll. I'm leaning towards the former though, because really, I can't fathom a troll that wouldn't have gotten bored with this thread long ago.

RT should probably be heavily medicated. Hopefully Obamacare will help him get the treatment he so badly needs.

cute bagger, it's collapsing on itself and I couldn't be happier, finally maybe people will start waking up about how dishonest and power hungry democrats are.
 
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584. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 21:17 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:39:
I snipped the full quoted discussion because it was getting long but the last two replies are there in their entirety. Did you think you said more?

edit: I guess go look at 577 if you'd like to see how Rollin rolls.

Well, this has been hilarious, but I'm pretty much convinced that RT is either completely unhinged or a brilliant troll. I'm leaning towards the former though, because really, I can't fathom a troll that wouldn't have gotten bored with this thread long ago.

RT should probably be heavily medicated. Hopefully Obamacare will help him get the treatment he so badly needs.
 
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583. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 20:39 Sepharo
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:37:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:31:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:18:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:14:
I think you meant their dads. But no, neither of them were going to testify in the LIBOR case. It was just something made up by conspiracy types like yourself. You should get less of your info from conspiracy websites so that you can sound like a reasonable person. And yes it is possible to be at odds with Obama, dislike the things he's doing, and clearly explain why you dislike them and still be considered reasonable by me. But when you're just parroting incorrect crap from Alex Jones and the like it really makes everything you say suspect. Like I mentioned earlier, for someone who is so concerned with bias and where people get their information, you seem to get your information from the worst possible places.

They won't be prosecuted, you'd think the bitch who headed this Obamacare rollout would be on the unemployment line right now, instead they're still trying to blame the republicans for their failure to take over healthcare in a way that would be at all beneficial instead of the reality of a mess it actually is.

Stop giving him passes, Obama knows what's going on, the democrats aren't any better than the GOP, in fact they're worse because they deliberately lie to your face, then switch the topic to something else. OVER AND OVER and people like you are too busy bitching about the big bad evil republicans.

The response to the quoted material doesn't match up again.
Ask a family member to unplug you, wait 30 seconds, and plug back in.

LOL you cut out half the quote then responded. lofuckingloud.

I snipped the full quoted discussion because it was getting long but the last two replies are there in their entirety. Did you think you said more?

edit: I guess go look at 577 if you'd like to see how Rollin rolls.
 
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582. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 20:37 RollinThundr
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:31:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:18:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:14:
I think you meant their dads. But no, neither of them were going to testify in the LIBOR case. It was just something made up by conspiracy types like yourself. You should get less of your info from conspiracy websites so that you can sound like a reasonable person. And yes it is possible to be at odds with Obama, dislike the things he's doing, and clearly explain why you dislike them and still be considered reasonable by me. But when you're just parroting incorrect crap from Alex Jones and the like it really makes everything you say suspect. Like I mentioned earlier, for someone who is so concerned with bias and where people get their information, you seem to get your information from the worst possible places.

They won't be prosecuted, you'd think the bitch who headed this Obamacare rollout would be on the unemployment line right now, instead they're still trying to blame the republicans for their failure to take over healthcare in a way that would be at all beneficial instead of the reality of a mess it actually is.

Stop giving him passes, Obama knows what's going on, the democrats aren't any better than the GOP, in fact they're worse because they deliberately lie to your face, then switch the topic to something else. OVER AND OVER and people like you are too busy bitching about the big bad evil republicans.

The response to the quoted material doesn't match up again.
Ask a family member to unplug you, wait 30 seconds, and plug back in.

LOL you cut out half the quote then responded. lofuckingloud.
 
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581. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 20:31 Sepharo
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:18:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:14:
I think you meant their dads. But no, neither of them were going to testify in the LIBOR case. It was just something made up by conspiracy types like yourself. You should get less of your info from conspiracy websites so that you can sound like a reasonable person. And yes it is possible to be at odds with Obama, dislike the things he's doing, and clearly explain why you dislike them and still be considered reasonable by me. But when you're just parroting incorrect crap from Alex Jones and the like it really makes everything you say suspect. Like I mentioned earlier, for someone who is so concerned with bias and where people get their information, you seem to get your information from the worst possible places.

They won't be prosecuted, you'd think the bitch who headed this Obamacare rollout would be on the unemployment line right now, instead they're still trying to blame the republicans for their failure to take over healthcare in a way that would be at all beneficial instead of the reality of a mess it actually is.

Stop giving him passes, Obama knows what's going on, the democrats aren't any better than the GOP, in fact they're worse because they deliberately lie to your face, then switch the topic to something else. OVER AND OVER and people like you are too busy bitching about the big bad evil republicans.

The response to the quoted material doesn't match up again.
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580. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 28, 2013, 20:22 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:20:
Beamer wrote on Oct 28, 2013, 20:16:
Wait, you think that the fathers were going to be witnesses and/or experts and, to punish them, the someone (likely the government, as you defend all corporations) went on killing sprees and framed their children?


Seriously. You believe this.
And you don't seek help?

Do you also believe all those other idiotic conspiracies? Like this one? Or all the people that think Newtown parents were famous paid actors? Or it was all a movie set?

You expect to be taken seriously?




Dammit, now I'm going down his rabbit hole of insanity and getting off the 23 Executive Actions he was so adamant about but now will not either defend or admit defeat on.

When have I ever defended all corporations? Either stop putting words in people's mouths or start dealing in some facts for a change.

Said the guy that never posted facts. Ever.


Here's a fact I posted earlier today: Obama signed 23 Executive Actions, not Executive Orders.
All of them were unquestionably, unarguably Constitutional.

Refute?
 
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