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659. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 30, 2013, 09:18 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 30, 2013, 09:12:
More proof this entire administration is totally corrupt.

http://tinyurl.com/ndyxraq


Apparently not satisfied with just setting fire to the 4th Amendment, NSA boss Keith Alexander's next target is the 1st Amendment. In an interview with the Defense Department's "Armed With Science" blog, it appears that Alexander felt he'd have a friendly audience, so he let loose with some insane claims, including suggesting that the government needs to find a way to "stop" journalists from reporting on the Snowden leaks.

"I think it’s wrong that newspaper reporters have all these documents, the 50,000—whatever they have and are selling them and giving them out as if these—you know it just doesn’t make sense," Alexander said in an interview with the Defense Department's "Armed With Science" blog.

"We ought to come up with a way of stopping it. I don’t know how to do that. That’s more of the courts and the policymakers but, from my perspective, it’s wrong to allow this to go on," the NSA director declared.

Not surprisingly, though hilariously, the blogger for the Defense Department's "Armed With Science," Jessica Tozer doesn't appear to challenge any of Alexander's claims. Instead, she repeats all the statements and mocks anyone who might challenge them.

Since when does this kind of totally unsurprising thing only apply to this administration? Once again, you're a moron.
 
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658. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 30, 2013, 09:12 RollinThundr
 
More proof this entire administration is totally corrupt.

http://tinyurl.com/ndyxraq


Apparently not satisfied with just setting fire to the 4th Amendment, NSA boss Keith Alexander's next target is the 1st Amendment. In an interview with the Defense Department's "Armed With Science" blog, it appears that Alexander felt he'd have a friendly audience, so he let loose with some insane claims, including suggesting that the government needs to find a way to "stop" journalists from reporting on the Snowden leaks.

"I think it’s wrong that newspaper reporters have all these documents, the 50,000—whatever they have and are selling them and giving them out as if these—you know it just doesn’t make sense," Alexander said in an interview with the Defense Department's "Armed With Science" blog.

"We ought to come up with a way of stopping it. I don’t know how to do that. That’s more of the courts and the policymakers but, from my perspective, it’s wrong to allow this to go on," the NSA director declared.

Not surprisingly, though hilariously, the blogger for the Defense Department's "Armed With Science," Jessica Tozer doesn't appear to challenge any of Alexander's claims. Instead, she repeats all the statements and mocks anyone who might challenge them.

Keep advocating bigger government liberals, so trusting. So retarded and naive as to how the world actually works.

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657. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 30, 2013, 07:25 RollinThundr
 
It's so cute how pissed you get beamer when someone calls you out for being such a liberal shill. Let the hate flow.  
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655. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 30, 2013, 01:02 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 30, 2013, 00:02:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:53:
So many folksy sayings, so little substance.

Fact of the matter is there were better ways to do it, either via regulation, or having an opt out option that allowed you to keep your existing plan if you were already happy with it.

Though with the amount of lobbying that goes on in DC it's no wonder we got the mess we did that Obamacare is.

That's really 95% of the issue with the US, lobbyist.

A lot of the existing plans were part of the problem. Many don't cover a lot of the things that we need them to cover to be worth a damn at saving us money. They don't cover hospital stays or they don't cover cancer, or whatever. Then the people end up in the hospital anyway, with fucking cancer, and we all pay through the fucking nose for it because the bullshit plan they had doesn't even do the bare minimum that someone would need insurance for.
 
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654. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 30, 2013, 00:57 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:30:
You didn't pay much attention to that press conference then. And yes you do defend him, if it walks, acts, and quacks like a liberal, it generally is. The amount you've played the race card in discussions among other liberal stances you've made tells me plenty. Tossing out a minor knock here and there about Obama doesn't change that, and really they're so minor and few and far between, you may as well not bother.

You bitch about dancing around things, yet you do it yourself constantly.

CORPORATIONS & HMO's BAD! GOVERNMENT GOOD! No beamer, your most definitely don't come off as an entitled liberal douche, no, not at all.

HMO's SO HIGH, Obamacare comes out, makes prices even higher, you're ok with it though because MUH BIG GOVERNMENT. Logic and liberals much like oil and water don't mix.

At least quote exactly what he said. I don't see him saying "i can do some of this myself" in the transcript. WTF are you even talking about? It's fucking retarded that you can't even get a quote right!

Not to mention this was all said over 9 months ago. WTF has he done that violates the 2nd amendment since then??
 
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653. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 30, 2013, 00:02 RollinThundr
 
Sepharo wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:53:
So many folksy sayings, so little substance.

Fact of the matter is there were better ways to do it, either via regulation, or having an opt out option that allowed you to keep your existing plan if you were already happy with it.

Though with the amount of lobbying that goes on in DC it's no wonder we got the mess we did that Obamacare is.

That's really 95% of the issue with the US, lobbyist.
 
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652. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 23:53 Sepharo
 
So many folksy sayings, so little substance.  
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651. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 23:30 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:21:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:16:
Beamer wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:11:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:05:
You're not getting what I'm saying, if he tries to enact any new gun laws via EA or EO, it's unconstitutional. My guess is this is his plan since there's no way he'd get the votes needed.
NO ONE EVER SAID HE WOULD ENACT NEW GUN LAWS!
ONLY YOU!

Biden never said it - it isn't in that transcript.
Obama never said it - it isn't in that transcript.
RollinThundr said it - because he has no brain cells.

Also, shut up with "guns." He cannot enact ANY laws via EO. But he hasn't signed any EOs that would be laws. He hasn't even done any on guns. Those were EAs. And, if you read them, they're all trite bullshit made to appease morons.

Explain what the comment I can do some of this myself means? Or are you really clueless as to how this president and administration work by now?

I get it, you're obviously going to protect this asshole til the end, sinking ship and all, but at least be a tiny bit genuine, you're not that stupid I don't think.


AAAAHAHAHAHAHA. I've said repeatedly here he is not good. You are just so stupid that, by comparison, he must be the best thing ever. But I say he does something trite and meaningless and somehow calling him trite and meaningless is defending him. Jesus.

Explain what "Explain what the comment I can do some of this myself means?" I have no idea. What are you talking about? Do you mean me saying you should be finding the actual texts yourself? Anything the president says is documented. If you believe he said something, find the transcript. The Constitution, and all the law around it, is documented. If you think something is unconstitutional, find the relevant passage and say why - then look at how courts have interpreted that passage to make sure it fits your interpretation, because the interpretation of the courts is what matters.

You didn't pay much attention to that press conference then. And yes you do defend him, if it walks, acts, and quacks like a liberal, it generally is. The amount you've played the race card in discussions among other liberal stances you've made tells me plenty. Tossing out a minor knock here and there about Obama doesn't change that, and really they're so minor and few and far between, you may as well not bother.

You bitch about dancing around things, yet you do it yourself constantly.

CORPORATIONS & HMO's BAD! GOVERNMENT GOOD! No beamer, your most definitely don't come off as an entitled liberal douche, no, not at all.

HMO's SO HIGH, Obamacare comes out, makes prices even higher, you're ok with it though because MUH BIG GOVERNMENT. Logic and liberals much like oil and water don't mix.

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650. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 23:21 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:16:
Beamer wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:11:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:05:
You're not getting what I'm saying, if he tries to enact any new gun laws via EA or EO, it's unconstitutional. My guess is this is his plan since there's no way he'd get the votes needed.
NO ONE EVER SAID HE WOULD ENACT NEW GUN LAWS!
ONLY YOU!

Biden never said it - it isn't in that transcript.
Obama never said it - it isn't in that transcript.
RollinThundr said it - because he has no brain cells.

Also, shut up with "guns." He cannot enact ANY laws via EO. But he hasn't signed any EOs that would be laws. He hasn't even done any on guns. Those were EAs. And, if you read them, they're all trite bullshit made to appease morons.

Explain what the comment I can do some of this myself means? Or are you really clueless as to how this president and administration work by now?

I get it, you're obviously going to protect this asshole til the end, sinking ship and all, but at least be a tiny bit genuine, you're not that stupid I don't think.


AAAAHAHAHAHAHA. I've said repeatedly here he is not good. You are just so stupid that, by comparison, he must be the best thing ever. But I say he does something trite and meaningless and somehow calling him trite and meaningless is defending him. Jesus.

Explain what "Explain what the comment I can do some of this myself means?" I have no idea. What are you talking about? Do you mean me saying you should be finding the actual texts yourself? Anything the president says is documented. If you believe he said something, find the transcript. The Constitution, and all the law around it, is documented. If you think something is unconstitutional, find the relevant passage and say why - then look at how courts have interpreted that passage to make sure it fits your interpretation, because the interpretation of the courts is what matters.
 
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649. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 23:17 Beamer
 
I dunno, the problem is definitely ignorance, but from where?
Maybe you don't know what an EO is. You seem to think EOs are laws. They're not. By definition they are not, and when one president tried to change that, the Supreme Court said "no," so legally they are not.

Or maybe you just read stupid articles written by stupid people like yourself and it's a giant circlejerk of fear, paranoia and ignorance. Someone says something with authority and everyone believes it's true. Seems plausible - you link to stuff like that, and you stupidly think anything you type is a fact, even if not referencing anything or citing anything.

If Obama or Biden said "we'll just pass an EO as a law," as you claim, find the quote in the transcript Seph and I posted of the video you posted. Just find it. Post it here.

STOP FUCKING ALLUDING TO THINGS WITHOUT POSTING A QUOTE AND A CITATION. If you do not cite it then it did not happen.
 
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648. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 23:16 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:11:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:05:
You're not getting what I'm saying, if he tries to enact any new gun laws via EA or EO, it's unconstitutional. My guess is this is his plan since there's no way he'd get the votes needed.
NO ONE EVER SAID HE WOULD ENACT NEW GUN LAWS!
ONLY YOU!

Biden never said it - it isn't in that transcript.
Obama never said it - it isn't in that transcript.
RollinThundr said it - because he has no brain cells.

Also, shut up with "guns." He cannot enact ANY laws via EO. But he hasn't signed any EOs that would be laws. He hasn't even done any on guns. Those were EAs. And, if you read them, they're all trite bullshit made to appease morons.

Explain what the comment I can do some of this myself means? Or are you really clueless as to how this president and administration work by now?

I get it, you're obviously going to protect this asshole til the end, sinking ship and all, but at least be a tiny bit genuine, you're not that stupid I don't think.
 
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647. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 23:11 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 23:05:
You're not getting what I'm saying, if he tries to enact any new gun laws via EA or EO, it's unconstitutional. My guess is this is his plan since there's no way he'd get the votes needed.
NO ONE EVER SAID HE WOULD ENACT NEW GUN LAWS!
ONLY YOU!

Biden never said it - it isn't in that transcript.
Obama never said it - it isn't in that transcript.
RollinThundr said it - because he has no brain cells.

Also, shut up with "guns." He cannot enact ANY laws via EO. But he hasn't signed any EOs that would be laws. He hasn't even done any on guns. Those were EAs. And, if you read them, they're all trite bullshit made to appease morons.
 
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646. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 23:10 Beamer
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 22:42:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 22:02:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 21:10:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 15:03:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 12:08:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 12:08:

Edit: Guess you're not ignored. But it bears repeating anyway!

Wow. I hate posting from my phone.

So still waiting for your slathering reason as to why Obozocare is great, I held up my end.
Are you actually dumb enough to think you've accomplished anything like what I asked for? Wait, I already know the answer to that. You posted a link to Rand Paul saying nothing of any substance, and thern followed it up with a link to the press conference where Biden and Obama talked about and signed EAs that were nothing of substance. Where's the unconstitutional part?? Where's your explanation of how any one of those EAs is unconstitutional?? Or are you just gonna keep being the angry feces-hurling monkey?

You asked for the link to where your pal would get it done through EO's. I provided. The unconstitutional part is no EO's in regards to guns can be made without going through the proper channels, which means congress.

United States Presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself. They aren't allowed to use EO's to enact law. Hence anything he tries to regulate via EO's in regards to guns is a violation of the 2nd amendment and the US Constitution.

I'd imagine it must make a liberal like you happy to see people's policies getting canceled and or paying more. Selfish entitled douchebags like you and your buddy Obozo seem to get off on people suffering anyway. Not that it's surprising.

You don't even understand what an executive action or executive order are, nor do you know what the proper channels are, nor have you said one thing about why any of those would be the enactment of a law. Which one is a new law? You're just a babbling idiot who can't articulate a single argument against any one of those 23 actions.

"No EOs can be made without going through... congress."

You fucking moron SHUT THE FUCK UP!

You say this as if it is a fact. Where? Where the fuck are you getting this bullshit from? The president can put out a fucking EA or EO (and jesus fucking Christ you're also fucking up what was said in that fucking press conference that TWO of us posted the transcript to) that he will release a letter explaining that his favorite gun is a P90. That's an EO related to guns. It isn't unconstitutional.

You are so fucking misinformed and stupid. You say dumb shit as if it is fact. Where, you asshole, where? Where is there a law, Amendment, or Case that says the President cannot do this?

Where do you get your stupidity from?
And do you get why I keep calling you an asshole? Because you say such dumb shit, pretend it is a fact, without ever citing anything or referencing anything specific.

Hey, guys, RollinThundr can't leave his house. It's against the Constitution! Where does it say that? Who cares, I said it so it must be a fact!
 
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645. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 23:05 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 22:42:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 22:02:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 21:10:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 15:03:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 12:08:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 12:08:

Edit: Guess you're not ignored. But it bears repeating anyway!

Wow. I hate posting from my phone.

So still waiting for your slathering reason as to why Obozocare is great, I held up my end.
Are you actually dumb enough to think you've accomplished anything like what I asked for? Wait, I already know the answer to that. You posted a link to Rand Paul saying nothing of any substance, and thern followed it up with a link to the press conference where Biden and Obama talked about and signed EAs that were nothing of substance. Where's the unconstitutional part?? Where's your explanation of how any one of those EAs is unconstitutional?? Or are you just gonna keep being the angry feces-hurling monkey?

You asked for the link to where your pal would get it done through EO's. I provided. The unconstitutional part is no EO's in regards to guns can be made without going through the proper channels, which means congress.

United States Presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself. They aren't allowed to use EO's to enact law. Hence anything he tries to regulate via EO's in regards to guns is a violation of the 2nd amendment and the US Constitution.

I'd imagine it must make a liberal like you happy to see people's policies getting canceled and or paying more. Selfish entitled douchebags like you and your buddy Obozo seem to get off on people suffering anyway. Not that it's surprising.

You don't even understand what an executive action or executive order are, nor do you know what the proper channels are, nor have you said one thing about why any of those would be the enactment of a law. Which one is a new law? You're just a babbling idiot who can't articulate a single argument against any one of those 23 actions.

You're not getting what I'm saying, if he tries to enact any new gun laws via EA or EO, it's unconstitutional. My guess is this is his plan since there's no way he'd get the votes needed.

Much like Feinstein and her "if I could have gotten the votes Mr and Mrs. America" that too would have been struck down as unconstitutional, Obama's the same brand of gun grabber that she is.

Facts on gun crimes are irreverent to types like that.
 
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644. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 22:42 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 22:02:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 21:10:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 15:03:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 12:08:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 12:08:

Edit: Guess you're not ignored. But it bears repeating anyway!

Wow. I hate posting from my phone.

So still waiting for your slathering reason as to why Obozocare is great, I held up my end.
Are you actually dumb enough to think you've accomplished anything like what I asked for? Wait, I already know the answer to that. You posted a link to Rand Paul saying nothing of any substance, and thern followed it up with a link to the press conference where Biden and Obama talked about and signed EAs that were nothing of substance. Where's the unconstitutional part?? Where's your explanation of how any one of those EAs is unconstitutional?? Or are you just gonna keep being the angry feces-hurling monkey?

You asked for the link to where your pal would get it done through EO's. I provided. The unconstitutional part is no EO's in regards to guns can be made without going through the proper channels, which means congress.

United States Presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself. They aren't allowed to use EO's to enact law. Hence anything he tries to regulate via EO's in regards to guns is a violation of the 2nd amendment and the US Constitution.

I'd imagine it must make a liberal like you happy to see people's policies getting canceled and or paying more. Selfish entitled douchebags like you and your buddy Obozo seem to get off on people suffering anyway. Not that it's surprising.

You don't even understand what an executive action or executive order are, nor do you know what the proper channels are, nor have you said one thing about why any of those would be the enactment of a law. Which one is a new law? You're just a babbling idiot who can't articulate a single argument against any one of those 23 actions.
 
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643. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 22:02 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 21:10:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 15:03:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 12:08:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 12:08:

Edit: Guess you're not ignored. But it bears repeating anyway!

Wow. I hate posting from my phone.

So still waiting for your slathering reason as to why Obozocare is great, I held up my end.
Are you actually dumb enough to think you've accomplished anything like what I asked for? Wait, I already know the answer to that. You posted a link to Rand Paul saying nothing of any substance, and thern followed it up with a link to the press conference where Biden and Obama talked about and signed EAs that were nothing of substance. Where's the unconstitutional part?? Where's your explanation of how any one of those EAs is unconstitutional?? Or are you just gonna keep being the angry feces-hurling monkey?

You asked for the link to where your pal would get it done through EO's. I provided. The unconstitutional part is no EO's in regards to guns can be made without going through the proper channels, which means congress.

United States Presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself. They aren't allowed to use EO's to enact law. Hence anything he tries to regulate via EO's in regards to guns is a violation of the 2nd amendment and the US Constitution.

I'd imagine it must make a liberal like you happy to see people's policies getting canceled and or paying more. Selfish entitled douchebags like you and your buddy Obozo seem to get off on people suffering anyway. Not that it's surprising.
 
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642. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 21:10 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 15:03:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 12:08:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 12:08:

Edit: Guess you're not ignored. But it bears repeating anyway!

Wow. I hate posting from my phone.

So still waiting for your slathering reason as to why Obozocare is great, I held up my end.
Are you actually dumb enough to think you've accomplished anything like what I asked for? Wait, I already know the answer to that. You posted a link to Rand Paul saying nothing of any substance, and thern followed it up with a link to the press conference where Biden and Obama talked about and signed EAs that were nothing of substance. Where's the unconstitutional part?? Where's your explanation of how any one of those EAs is unconstitutional?? Or are you just gonna keep being the angry feces-hurling monkey?
 
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641. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 16:22 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 16:13:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 16:06:

I consider it socialism because the government should not be telling me what type of healthcare I can buy. As a consumer that should be MY choice.

More stupidity from a stupid man. They already regulate HMOs and tell them what they can offer, which, really, is the same exact thing. The main thing they're doing is trying to pull profits out of HMOs (which are ridiculously profitable) and reduce costs. Have you ever been to a hospital and seen the bill? Whether you are uninsured or insured with a high deductible, you're on the hook for an amount of money that will basically ruin you. Why? Because HMOs have gamed the system to such a point that hospitals charge $44 for a Tylenol. HMOs have ways around this. Individuals? Not so much.

Interesting that you've gone from whining about "lazy, unemployed" people to old people, though. I'm hoping this means you understand that most that are either uninsured or paying far too much are neither lazy nor unemployed.

But whining about old people doesn't work, either. Old people have Medicare now. What's Medicare? Why, it's a social medicine program wherein young people contribute money and old people receive care!
So you fucking whining about fucking Obamacare being fucking stupid because it fucking makes young people fucking pay for fucking healthcare for fucking old people is fucking moronic because we're fucking doing that today you fucking idiot without the ability to fucking understand the fucking world around him.

Do they make you wear a helmet full time? Do they keep you in a plastic bubble, not due to any health concerns but more so that you do not harm yourself as the world around you confuses and confounds you?

You make me laugh, HMO's WERE TOO MUCH! Let's have the government run it, and make it cost even more. SOLUTION! Just so your bleeding heart can feel better that Shaquanda and her 10 kids gets healthcare now.
 
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640. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2013, 16:18 RollinThundr
 
Prez wrote on Oct 29, 2013, 16:09:
Prez, he lied, for 3 years over and over, "you'll be able to keep your old plans, prices will be lower!" straight bold faced fucking lies. Healthcare is a huge part of our economy, putting the government as a middle man has total fail written all over it at least in it's current form.

I'll be the first to admit I would prefer a private industry program to a government one almost 100% of the time since government isn't exactly known for efficiency (And as a goverment employee for 9 years I should know). In the case of healthcare, however, things have been spiraling out of control for years now and nothing was being done to fix the problems - why would any entity even try, when there was nothing in it for them? Which, incidentally, is one major fault of capitalism - only monetary considerations will ever push industries to improve without governemnt "encouragement", which unfortunately it has come to for the health care system. If it ends up that ACA is an unpolishable turd then I'll be right there with you, but only to call for something better.

Didn't you say before you lean conservative? You've been awful lenient on this administration if that's the case.

It depends what we are talking about. If you want to discuss how he has no control of what his cabionet members are up to, like idiot Holder and "Fast and Furious", or his hypocricy on bashing Bush for invading privacy when he was a Senator but then taking the program ten times further as President, then I won't have much good to say. But he has done some good things that even conservatives should acknoweldge were they not so focused on trashing him at every turn. He has been tough on terrorism - Bin Laden is room temperature now thanks to his giving the order. He listened to his generals and effectively pursued the war in Afghanistan to make sure the war was won before winding it down. He ended the Iraq debacle (that I have to admit I was for in the beginning before I woke up). I could name other things but hopefully you get the point.

I don't think there's anything that goes on that he hasn't either authorized or known of to begin with. Obama has all the classic symptoms of a narcissist, the idea he didn't know about Fast and Furious, didn't read the briefs on Benghazi (that goes for Clinton too, she should be ashamed of herself "what difference does it make?")

Tough on terroism? dude he loves the muslim brotherhood, spoke of redefining the 67 Israel borders, etc. If anything he more than likely sides with the damn terrorist. Expanded the patriot act after chastising Bush for it, started conflict in Libya without Congressional approval after chastising Bush for starting wars.

Honestly what has he have to show for himself so far a term and a half in? A broken healthcare plan that will likely fail miserably, 18 Trillion in debt, a refusal to even talk about cutting spending never mind do it.

Oooo he gave the ok to go get Bin Laden, let's praise him like he flew the mission himself and also made the kill shot.

Honestly what does he have to show as accomplishments at this point? I don't see many if any at all.
 
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