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Out of the Blue

I am very stubborn about problem solving, which is one of the reasons I keep clinging to the hope that I will somehow straighten out the issues with my PC. I am, however, coming to the conclusion that there is an issue with my motherboard, as it's hard to come up with an explanation that encompasses the inconsistent results I'm getting from my troubleshooting. It's gotten to the point where I am strategizing my next build, so on some level I've given up the idea that this will be solved through software. The budget for this will have to go past the $0 I have earmarked, and my goal is to make a machine that's fast and quiet, which will make it that much harder to stay cheap. At this point I'm considering a last gen i5 like the 3570K and overclocking the snot out of it, perhaps using liquid cooling, though I haven't really investigated the cost/performance tradeoffs of getting a faster CPU and using air cooling, which will make the case and cooler cheaper.

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14. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 15:41 Cutter
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Sep 14, 2013, 09:53:
uh oh.....I think, my xbox just died.......

Yeah, that's what happened to me just as AC4 came out. And given the fact I had barely used the thing for the 3 years I had it I was really pissed. Never again! And thankfully the clowns at MS have made it easy to bypass this time around.
 
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13. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 13:57 nin
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Sep 14, 2013, 09:53:
uh oh.....I think, my xbox just died.......

AH-hahahahahaha! It's only funny since the same thing happened to me a few months ago. Between that and the xbone debacle, I decided I was done with them.

 
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12. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 13:24 HoSpanky
 
When choosing a mobo, just avoid any with a Killer Nic onboard. The only thing it kills is network functionality. I finally traced the weird issues my machine was having down to it, disabling it and slapping a $13 tp-link nic in.

My recent build also included a water cooler, the corsair h80i. I haven't attempted overclocking, as it was purchased to make it quiet, but it fits in my midtower case rather nicely. The software for it is...iffy, but only needs to be run once. Set up the fan speeds, the led colors, and done forever. My girlfriend immediately wanted one for her machine, as mine became dead silent during desktop use. It gets noisier during gaming, but that's likely mostly from the two 760s I crammed into a source 210e.

As others have said, the processor isn't all that big of a deal anymore. An i5, stock clock speeds, is plowing thru anything I hand it.

If you want to build a TINY machine, Asus just put out a 760 Mini, which somehow is a full gtx760 in an itty bitty card. Not particularly quiet according to the review I saw though.
 
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11. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 12:47 PHJF
 
Yes I would, I'd sell that hunk of American junk in a heartbeat and get an import.  
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10. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 12:24 SirKnight
 
PHJF wrote on Sep 14, 2013, 10:11:
Sell your stupid Vette!


Screw that. You would never say that if you've ever driven one. A corvette is way better than having a high end PC that will almost never be fully utilized anymore these days. My PC was high end like 4 or so years ago, but even now it's still more than good enough for anything. The only thing worth upgrading any more is the GPU, which I did do last year I believe (GTX 680).

I know I'd never sell my Z06 for any PC no matter what. I'd switch to consoles 100% before I'd sell that thing! A PC does not bring the girls to you in hordes either, unlike a shiny red Z06.
 
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9. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 12:00 Redmask
 
Tom wrote on Sep 14, 2013, 11:34:
Holy smokes that pcpartpicker.com site is AMAZING.

Yeah it's pretty much the definitive build resource, I donate $20 a year to the site owner because I've saved hundreds of dollars and a lot of time using it.

Blue, I don't post a lot, but seems to me you really want a stable system that works, my experience is that you would be better of with running your new stuff at normal speeds and not go the route of over-clocking and water cooling, I know it can work but it always took me time and lots of tinkering and general geek stuff

Yeah, even getting an i5-4670 will be more than enough for a long time. Consoles are becoming increasingly GPU dependent, the Jaguar cores in both have average IPC and they rely more on GPGPU stuff. I usually throw an aftermarket cooler on even if I'm not overclocking because the Intel coolers are so mediocre. A decent air cooler will only set you back $20-30.
 
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8. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 11:41 HorrorScope
 
What's good is the newer HW is running cool and quiet, from CPU to GPU, so air with minimal fans are needed.

The other option is simply getting a cheap MB replacement. I've had a shitload of PC's, I've only had one fail after extended use (typically they fail at first or are retired due to old and slow, or near direct lightning hit, had that wipe out a fleet once) and as you say it's a SOB to detect. You go through everything else first, before you want to come to grips it's the mb.

But for a solid gaming rig you are looking around a grand if you need everything, perhaps a hundred or two more.

I go as cheap as I can and run stock, several systems to maintain with the family.

i7 4770K w/mb - $390
i7 3770K w/mb - $365
i5 2500K w/mb - $259
i5 3570K w/mb - $265 (This was the last one I got, for wife)
i5 4670K w/mb - $290

 
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7. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 11:34 Tom
 
Holy smokes that pcpartpicker.com site is AMAZING.  
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6. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 11:15 Xil
 
Blue, I don't post a lot, but seems to me you really want a stable system that works, my experience is that you would be better of with running your new stuff at normal speeds and not go the route of over-clocking and water cooling, I know it can work but it always took me time and lots of tinkering and general geek stuff  
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5. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 11:15 1badmf
 
i5s do spectacularly well with air-cooling. my 2500k still shows up at the high end of gaming benchmarks, and though i haven't attempted it myself yet (no need), it's widely reported it'll OC close to 5 ghz on air alone.  
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4. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 10:53 Redmask
 
What will you be recyling from your previous build?

You don't need liquid cooling to do some moderate overclocking, something like a Hyper 212 EVO would be fine and much cheaper.

You can buy last gen if you want but it doesn't make much sense, the difference between a Core i5-3570k and a Core i5-4670k is about $10 on Amazon at the moment. You don't need a bells and whistles motherboard either, you can make due with something $120-150 - http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/ If you need a new case go with something midrange by Corsair or Fractal Design (Define R4), the latter makes quiet cases that are decent on cooling.

I suggest just getting decent, current gen parts and recycling what you can. It sounds like you have the video card and rest covered so you're really only putting out $300-400 here and going with last gen parts will be just as expensive.

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3. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 10:47 Tom
 
Let us pay a subscription to get an ad-free layout. If a site like Ars can do it, why not Blue's?  
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2. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 10:11 PHJF
 
Are you really in a situation where you can't put together a high-end PC??? Sell your stupid Vette! If TotalBiscuit has two titans in his rig, you at least need one. The owner/operator of the estimable Blue's News should have a rig fit for his position.

In fact, now would be an appropriate time for you to take the dive into kickstarter and have a bunch of monied chumps buy it all for you.
 
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1. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 14, 2013, 09:53 xXBatmanXx
 
uh oh.....I think, my xbox just died.......  
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