Orogogus wrote on Sep 14, 2013, 01:08:Creston wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 22:58:The Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 19:46:BobBob wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 19:22:http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/V'GerThe Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 18:32:
Actually it was Roddenberry's idea that V'Ger is borg.
It makes perfect sense and has a nice circular history to it. Proof please.
Also in Star Trek Legacy.
Wasn't Roddenberry already dead by the time they came up with the Borg concept? Sounds like Berman just retconning shit again.
Wikipedia says the first Borg episode was in May 1989, and Roddenberry died in Oct 1991.
Verno wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 12:41:There is nothing here that isn't found in abundance between here and the origin of aliens. Even the human race would be worthless since they would have robotics mastered. Colonization is remote since terraforming Mars is achievable even with our primitive knowledge.The Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 11:42:
Voyager has left the solar system.... so how long until the Borg invade?
Well you jest but Stephen Hawking has a pretty compelling argument for not attempting any contact with other life outside of our galaxy. Basically that any civilization sufficiently developed to both parse it and then actually travel to us would be well beyond our capabilities and might covet our resources so it probably isn't a good idea to advertise. He also pointed out that the resources that go into it aren't exactly misspent but might be better allocated toward efforts to spread humanity to other planets as he believes it's the only way to ensure our long term survival.
Anyways I don't agree with everything he says but I do think that anything capable of sustaining life is probably so far away that efforts to reach it would take thousands of years with current technologies.
Creston wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 22:58:The Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 19:46:BobBob wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 19:22:http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/V'GerThe Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 18:32:
Actually it was Roddenberry's idea that V'Ger is borg.
It makes perfect sense and has a nice circular history to it. Proof please.
Also in Star Trek Legacy.
Wasn't Roddenberry already dead by the time they came up with the Borg concept? Sounds like Berman just retconning shit again.
Sepharo wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 23:12:
Oh I didn't mean for shipping purposes. They'd be using those resources on the spot for themselves. Just lifeless machines spreading because it's in their programming.
Creston wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 23:00:Sepharo wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 21:22:
I believe that if anything ever visits Earth it's going to be machine / AI of a long dead civilization. I think it will be indifferent to life, just simply looking for resources. Perhaps those resources are more easily harvested from asteroids. Or maybe it will just stop by and suck up our atmosphere into holding tanks.
Presumably by the time you have the capacity to either do FTL or send a completely autonomous harvester into interstellar space, you will have the ability to transform energy into matter, thus making the nearest gas giant / sun a far better source for your needs.
Also, hauling resources across interstellar distances would be beyond insanity.
Sepharo wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 21:22:
I believe that if anything ever visits Earth it's going to be machine / AI of a long dead civilization. I think it will be indifferent to life, just simply looking for resources. Perhaps those resources are more easily harvested from asteroids. Or maybe it will just stop by and suck up our atmosphere into holding tanks.
The Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 19:46:BobBob wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 19:22:http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/V'GerThe Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 18:32:
Actually it was Roddenberry's idea that V'Ger is borg.
It makes perfect sense and has a nice circular history to it. Proof please.
Also in Star Trek Legacy.
nin wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 19:47:xXBatmanXx wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 19:22:
HAVE FRIENDS PLAYING GTA5.
Yeah, so some folks elsewhere posting...mine is still listed as "in progress", but I'm not sure how up to date they're keeping it (based on the sheer number they have to ship out).
"Just how big is this world? Art director Aaron Garbut crunched the math. When you include interior and exterior spaces together, Los Santos is bigger than the worlds of Red Dead Redemption, San Andreas, and Grand Theft Auto IV combined, with room to spare."
xXBatmanXx wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 19:22:
HAVE FRIENDS PLAYING GTA5.
BobBob wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 19:22:http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/V'GerThe Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 18:32:
Actually it was Roddenberry's idea that V'Ger is borg.
It makes perfect sense and has a nice circular history to it. Proof please.
The Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 18:32:
Actually it was Roddenberry's idea that V'Ger is borg.
The Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 18:32:1badmf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 15:34:Creston wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 14:52:The Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 11:42:
Voyager has left the solar system.... so how long until the Borg invade?
Oooooh Maths! Let's see. The Borg live in the Delta Quadrant, and by the time Voyager met them, they were (according to show logic), about 45000 lightyears away from the Alpha Quadrant. For ease of use, let's say Voyager was talking about 45000 lightyears to Earth, rather than to the AQ boundary.
Voyager is traveling at roughly at 35000 miles an hour, or translated, about 15km/s. The speed of light is 299,792.458 km/s but we'll just say 300,000 km/s for ease of math. So Voyager is traveling at 1/20,000th speed of light. 45000 lightyears x 20000 = 900000000 years. That's when V'ger reaches the Borg. The Borg will examine the probe and decide to evade in roughly 5 minutes, and it'll take them about two days to reach their transwarp conduit and show up on Earth's doorstep.
So the Borg will invade on September 15th, in the year 900,002,013 AD. I fully expect the 2012'ers to switch to this new date for "When the world will end."
wait wait wait... which voyager are we talking about here? v'ger never met the borg, and USS voyager weren't the first to run into them. that was enterprise due to Q's tomfoolery. and if we're going to go all trekkie up in here, then v'ger met it's mechanical benefactors after it got sucked into a black hole and blooped out in a distant part of the galaxy. so... where's the nearest black hole?
Actually it was Roddenberry's idea that V'Ger is borg.
1badmf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 15:34:Creston wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 14:52:The Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 11:42:
Voyager has left the solar system.... so how long until the Borg invade?
Oooooh Maths! Let's see. The Borg live in the Delta Quadrant, and by the time Voyager met them, they were (according to show logic), about 45000 lightyears away from the Alpha Quadrant. For ease of use, let's say Voyager was talking about 45000 lightyears to Earth, rather than to the AQ boundary.
Voyager is traveling at roughly at 35000 miles an hour, or translated, about 15km/s. The speed of light is 299,792.458 km/s but we'll just say 300,000 km/s for ease of math. So Voyager is traveling at 1/20,000th speed of light. 45000 lightyears x 20000 = 900000000 years. That's when V'ger reaches the Borg. The Borg will examine the probe and decide to evade in roughly 5 minutes, and it'll take them about two days to reach their transwarp conduit and show up on Earth's doorstep.
So the Borg will invade on September 15th, in the year 900,002,013 AD. I fully expect the 2012'ers to switch to this new date for "When the world will end."
wait wait wait... which voyager are we talking about here? v'ger never met the borg, and USS voyager weren't the first to run into them. that was enterprise due to Q's tomfoolery. and if we're going to go all trekkie up in here, then v'ger met it's mechanical benefactors after it got sucked into a black hole and blooped out in a distant part of the galaxy. so... where's the nearest black hole?
Creston wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 16:20:1badmf wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 15:34:
wait wait wait... which voyager are we talking about here? v'ger never met the borg, and USS voyager weren't the first to run into them. that was enterprise due to Q's tomfoolery. and if we're going to go all trekkie up in here, then v'ger met it's mechanical benefactors after it got sucked into a black hole and blooped out in a distant part of the galaxy. so... where's the nearest black hole?
I used Voyager (as in: Janeway's boat) because it's the only sort-of-accurate estimate we have of where Borg space is compared to Earth. In the TNG days, it was never specified that the Enterprise was ever thrown into the Delta Quadrant. Q just throws them "far away" and voila there are the Borg. Though he might have thrown them to a scout vessel that was in the Alpha Quadrant at the time.
In fact, the whole quadrants thing was never even really fleshed out until DS9.
And I know V'ger never met them, but someone asked when will the Voyager space probe meet the Borg. Wormholes are going to fuck all kinds of shit up, of course. I've edited my original post to make it a bit more clear, since I am calling just about everything Voyager in there.
Creston wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 14:56:
He's not the only one. When NASA launched Voyager, the question was posed within the DoD of "What would we do if an unmanned probe showed up on our doorstep and basically asked 'is anyone there?'"
Verno wrote on Sep 13, 2013, 14:04:
To get an equivalent experience he would need to plug it into a monitor, actual KB/M and etc, by the time he's done he would have most of a desktop anyway. Laptops are for more portable gaming IMO and so far haven't replaced traditional desktops for gaming usage. With the newer consoles likely to drive up system specs and demand I think a desktop is probably the safer bet. I would rather have a laptop or tablet for travel usage and a desktop at home.