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4. Re: Of course NSA can crack crypto. Anyone can. The question is, how much? Sep 9, 2013, 19:09 RollinThundr
 
LittleMe wrote on Sep 9, 2013, 13:08:
Strawman argument. The article comes off with a mild 'so what its no big deal' tone.

The fact that they crack crypto is not the controversy. The controversy is the mass data collection that dragnets everyone. The other controversy, among many, is that they are paying businesses for back doors to their supposedly secure encryption. We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. We are supposed to not be searched and seized without due cause. It's a human rights concern.

anyone with access to that research can—at least some of the time—crack VPNs, they can crack HTTPS, they can extract data from iPhones.

So what. They are doing it on a more massive scale than anyone else. Orders of magnitude more. History has shown that government is not to be trusted with this degree of power.


Totally this. Add in the apparent fact that there seems to be little to zero oversight when it comes to the NSA to begin with. Never mind all the secret backroom courts among other things.

I never thought in my lifetime that I would be this leery of the US government, but the amount of trashing of the constitution the last two administrations have managed to accomplished in such a short time is actually literally frightning.
 
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3. Re: Of course NSA can crack crypto. Anyone can. The question is, how much? Sep 9, 2013, 14:30 Smellfinger
 
The purpose of the article was to cut through the fear-mongering rhetoric with a little bit of reality. I didn't get the sense that they were defending what the NSA is doing. It was a tech article, not a political article.

The people who work for the NSA aren't gods. They're men with expensive toys, but it's guaranteed that there are far less of them than there are hackers who are working against them as we speak. Remember, if the NSA was some all-powerful entity worthy of our constant fear, the Snowden situation would never have happened and we wouldn't be reading articles like this. The fact that we're even having this discussion is proof of their vulnerability.
 
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2. Of course NSA can crack crypto. Anyone can. The question is, how much? Sep 9, 2013, 13:08 LittleMe
 
Strawman argument. The article comes off with a mild 'so what its no big deal' tone.

The fact that they crack crypto is not the controversy. The controversy is the mass data collection that dragnets everyone. The other controversy, among many, is that they are paying businesses for back doors to their supposedly secure encryption. We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. We are supposed to not be searched and seized without due cause. It's a human rights concern.

anyone with access to that research can—at least some of the time—crack VPNs, they can crack HTTPS, they can extract data from iPhones.

So what. They are doing it on a more massive scale than anyone else. Orders of magnitude more. History has shown that government is not to be trusted with this degree of power.

 
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1. Re: Morning Safety Dance Sep 9, 2013, 10:20 Raven737
 
Well... whatever.

This comment was edited on Sep 9, 2013, 11:48.
 
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