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Out of the Blue

Okay, my PC is bugging me with a crashing problem that's so intermittent it's almost not a problem. I get a full on BSoD about once every week or ten days or so. There's no warning for this, and there's no pattern that leads up to it that I've been able to notice. This has happened since I upgraded the machine to Win7, so it's a fresh software install, and I've since replaced the video card and cleaned out the case, so it's not the card and it's not heat. The one hardware element I may be able to identify is that the Win7 upgrade also included new RAM, so it's possibly related to that, but I would think at some point this would be identified by a log or something. One other thought is perhaps I have a memory leak, which would explain the rate at which these occur (since I hardly ever reboot/shut down). I think I'll investigate this further today, but if I can't make any progress this may be my excuse for a Haswell upgrade. It's not an emergency, only happening so often, but this is bothering me a lot that I can't track it down.

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33. Make and analyze those BSoD memory dumps! Sep 10, 2013, 09:46 Ant
 
Blue, make full memory dumps and use WinDbg to debug it for clues.  
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32. Re: crashing problem Sep 10, 2013, 09:13 Verno
 
BobBob wrote on Sep 10, 2013, 02:39:
People still use desktops?

Problem solved: http://tinyurl.com/ychca58

Except for the solving the issue of being able to play core games and other applications that don't work on an iPad which is why most people own a desktop.
 
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31. Re: crashing problem Sep 10, 2013, 02:39 BobBob
 
People still use desktops?

Problem solved: http://tinyurl.com/ychca58
 
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30. Re: crashing problem Sep 10, 2013, 00:31 DangerDog
 
Creston wrote on Sep 9, 2013, 14:43:
DangerDog wrote on Sep 9, 2013, 12:40:
I assume you put the timing values for your ram manually into your bios,

Didn't DDR3 make timing values basically irrelevant?

No, some systems can auto detect the values with XMP turned on in bios but many still don't set the voltage high enough.
 
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29. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 23:46 WarPig
 
yeaaaa.......except for 1 game, all were really close. I think I only have 5 wins. Probably my worst ever. Week 1 is tough.

Week 1 is always tough. We're all just using last year's teams + the draft + free agents + coaching changes + preseason games... might as well pick according to your favorite colors.
 
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28. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 23:18 Slinkycatz
 
I have used this page as an excellent "What is the BSOD telling me while overclocking?" resource.

Overclockers BSOD Code list

109 is considered either not enough voltage to the RAM, or too much voltage. So, I'd take a closer look at the stability of your RAM.
 
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27. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 23:15 Sepharo
 
Man these experts don't know shit. I guess I don't either though since I went with all their picks.

edit: Wait... 7? 5? I guess I'm not doing too bad at 10 then.

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26. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 22:48 Creston
 
Fletch wrote on Sep 9, 2013, 21:12:
Thanks, Capella and Creston, for the links. I dig useful little utilities like these.

Mashiki actually posted the other link. I just quoted.
 
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25. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 21:12 Fletch
 
Power supply? Random crashes, reboots, slowdowns, etc can all be caused by a failing power supply. PS testers are a cheap and quick way to at least eliminate it as a possibility. Stops codes can possibly lead you to the faulty hardware, but that hardware may be wonking because of the PS. And +1 for Memtest. Great little utility.

I was recently having intermittent slowdowns and lock-ups (not bluescreens), and was having a hell of a time figuring out what piece of hardware was going tits up. Uninstalling Bitdefender, of all things, fixed the problem (which sucks, cuz I really like Bitdefender). Occasional crashes can be a bitch to troubleshoot. You can always just throw parts at it, I guess.

Thanks, Capella and Creston Mashiki*, for the links. I dig useful little utilities like these.

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24. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 20:25 eRe4s3r
 
Blue wrote on Sep 9, 2013, 10:19:

Additional information about the problem:
BCCode: 109


BCCode 109 refers to kernel corruption either through bad RAM or bad drivers.

But troubleshooting this is impossible unless you have replacement ram that you know works.

Also.. under Windows 7, the "stop code" is the BCCode

I guess a good start would be to look what is actually running (MSCONFIG) but it could be other things as well.... Kernel Corruption can be caused by a lot of things, all of them have to do with how drivers interact with kernel and their hardware.
 
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23. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 19:56 TheNightrider
 
Hi Blue,

I just had this same issue with my last upgrade.
I had upgraded my video card only from an AMD 6970 pci ver. 2.0
to a Nvidia GTX770 Asus Direct CUII video card pci ver 3.0
Yes I had completely removed the AMD drivers before installing.

My original motherboard was a ROG Rampage III Formula
and had PCIe ver 2.0 only and the Nvidia GTX770 was running in compatibility mod to PCIe ver 2.0

Crashed once or twice a week blue screen.
Decided to do a full upgrade with a new ROG Hero motherboard
as it was native PCIe ver 3.0

No more crashes.
Hope this helps.
 
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22. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 18:52 xXBatmanXx
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 9, 2013, 11:13:
Motherfucker! I am 7 for 14 so far, and we'll see how the rest goes tonight. Goddamit! I hate when I've made the correct picks and then the teams don't do what they're supposed to do. Any given Sunday I suppose.

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At last some of the games were damn good. Same with the college ball on Saturday. Was cool, sat around with my broshack both days drinking and eating and watching football all day. Good times! And they have to move the Ducks out of the Pac 12. Apart from Stanford they have zero competition.

"Where's the fuckin' money, Lebowski? Where's the money shithead?!"

yeaaaa.......except for 1 game, all were really close. I think I only have 5 wins. Probably my worst ever. Week 1 is tough.
 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 14:51 Creston
 
Capella wrote on Sep 9, 2013, 13:19:
Check this link:

http://www.resplendence.com/whocrashed

Used this many times to find what was causing BSOD's. Just point it to where your dump files are and it will scan them and tell you what caused each crash.

Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 9, 2013, 14:11:
I personally prefer using bluescreenview.


Interesting tools, thanks for the links!

Btw fellas, great deal on games over at GMG today, and an extra 20% off with this coupon

GMG20-8MUTY-M21VN

Picked up SupCom Gold for 4 bucks.
 
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20. Re: crashing problem Sep 9, 2013, 14:43 Creston
 
DangerDog wrote on Sep 9, 2013, 12:40:
I assume you put the timing values for your ram manually into your bios,

Didn't DDR3 make timing values basically irrelevant?
 
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 14:11 Mashiki Amiketo
 
I personally prefer using bluescreenview. Though I have run across this error before, especially with ram and random BSOD's before, it ended up being the voltage for the new ram being too low and had to be bumped up from 1.8v to 1.9v.

The problem of course is making sure that the non-paired stick can take the extra voltage.
 
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18. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 13:19 Capella
 
Check this link:

http://www.resplendence.com/whocrashed

Used this many times to find what was causing BSOD's. Just point it to where your dump files are and it will scan them and tell you what caused each crash.
 
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17. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 9, 2013, 13:18 Mr. Tact
 
Verno wrote on Sep 9, 2013, 10:06:
Also JETS BABY, did anyone catch the game? Hahah it was hilarious.
Yeah, they'll be ROCKIN' with Brady Quinn back on board!
 
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16. Re: crashing problem Sep 9, 2013, 12:40 DangerDog
 
I assume you put the timing values for your ram manually into your bios, if not that's what I'd check first. Might also want to try bumping up the voltage a tad and see if that helps.

sometimes it's the simple stuff that causes the most grief.
 
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15. Re: removed Sep 9, 2013, 12:22 Rattlehead
 
It's time to get rid of Kevin Gilbride.  
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14. removed Sep 9, 2013, 11:16 Reddogg1
 
look for a bad / bulging capacitors
will have intermediate faults and or BSoD

A bright light is recommended to look for a swelling on the top of the capacitor.

A capacitor could also be leaking

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