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20. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 20:19 HorrorScope
 
Creston wrote on Jul 12, 2013, 12:47:
Yeah, like I said, the only thing you can really challenge them on is that it's against the Constitution, but those kind of lawsuits rarely go anywhere.

Just vote out every single incumbent. It's the only way we really have to show how fed up we are with all this fucking horseshit the government is doing.

We'll have to put up with Obama for 3 more years, but we can get rid of a large section of those fuckers in congress and the senate next year.

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Que... Meet the new boss.... Same as the old boss. Unless we can get other parties in there, it doesn't really matter. It all goes back to AvP - Whoever wins, we lose.
 
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19. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 12:47 Creston
 
Yeah, like I said, the only thing you can really challenge them on is that it's against the Constitution, but those kind of lawsuits rarely go anywhere.

Just vote out every single incumbent. It's the only way we really have to show how fed up we are with all this fucking horseshit the government is doing.

We'll have to put up with Obama for 3 more years, but we can get rid of a large section of those fuckers in congress and the senate next year.

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18. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 12:37 NegaDeath
 
Creston wrote on Jul 12, 2013, 11:30:
Who are you going to sue? Microsoft? They will say they were cooperating with a mandate from a Federal agency. You can't sue someone for complying with a lawful order.

Sue the NSA directly? You can't. It's considered a government agency, who you can't sue. Sue Congress? You can't. Sue Obama? You can't.
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The ACLU launched a lawsuit last month. It had tried to challenge the constitutionality of the spying program in the past but was rejected because they couldn't prove harm, and they couldn't prove harm because the information was kept secret. Kinda like a perverse chicken and the egg scenario. Enter the Snowden leak and the reveal of Verizon's cooperation with the government. The ACLU is a Verizon customer. Oops!

Not that I have faith it'll succeed or change anything. As you said there's a whole lot of people in Washington who need to lose their jobs.
 
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17. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 11:59 Techie714 ©
 
folks, join the EFF they are fighting this!
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16. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 11:30 Creston
 
InBlack wrote on Jul 12, 2013, 08:43:
Where are the class action lawsuits, thats whats bothering me... Sue them. Sue them till they bleed.

Who are you going to sue? Microsoft? They will say they were cooperating with a mandate from a Federal agency. You can't sue someone for complying with a lawful order.

Sue the NSA directly? You can't. It's considered a government agency, who you can't sue. Sue Congress? You can't. Sue Obama? You can't.

The government making itself immune to being sued was just about the smartest thing they ever did. For themselves anyway.

You can sue for violations against the Constitution, which is what is happening here and there, but because this is all done (allegedly) under congressional oversight (which I doubt, but they make it appear this way on paper), I'm not sure those lawsuits will really go anywhere.

The only way to get this changed is to vote out EVERY SINGLE FUCKING INCUMBENT IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

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15. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 10:39 HorrorScope
 
InBlack wrote on Jul 12, 2013, 08:43:
Where are the class action lawsuits, thats whats bothering me. These companies are violating your constitutional rights, they should not be allowed to give away your private information. Sue them. Sue them till they bleed.

I haven't seen any class actions, those take some time. But there are about a 1/2 dozen from groups that now are filing lawsuits. One is starting with the Supreme Court since no other court has the power to question the NSA.
 
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14. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 10:37 HorrorScope
 
El Pit wrote on Jul 12, 2013, 04:40:
I have to say it again: all of this NSA spying on people all over the world and taking a dump on privacy is Watergate multiplied by a million - and all we hear is more or less *crickets*.

For the most part. I think the next big uptick is the next prez race, I have to expect that being a major question. It will interesting to see how they answer the questions surrounding it and try to get votes at the same time.
 
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13. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 10:10 El Pit
 
InBlack wrote on Jul 12, 2013, 08:43:
Spying on your own citizen is a big NO, NO.

So, spying on your "friends" is alright? It's okay for your neighbor if you walked over and opened all their mail, e-mail, etc., and then handed it over to them? What if YOU were the neighbor? Sure you'd like your friend to know everything about you, right?

What the NSA is doing there is spawning new mistrust, mistrust can lead to hatred, hatred leads to extremism. And that will lead to the NSA spying on even more people. It's a spirale of stupidity, driven by FEAR.
 
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12. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 09:49 Lord Tea
 
El Pit wrote on Jul 12, 2013, 04:40:
I have to say it again: all of this NSA spying on people all over the world and taking a dump on privacy is Watergate multiplied by a million - and all we hear is more or less *crickets*.

People are paying $500 for an XBOX ONE, a Microsoft/NSA co-developed gaming console featuring 1) permanent-online requirement and 2) a built-in surveillance cam. Is this the perfection of TOTAL CONTROL? No wait, total control could be the road to a dictatorship...
 
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11. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 08:43 InBlack
 
El Pit wrote on Jul 12, 2013, 04:40:
I have to say it again: all of this NSA spying on people all over the world and taking a dump on privacy is Watergate multiplied by a million - and all we hear is more or less *crickets*.

Its not about people all over the world (they are a spy agency after all, thats their job) but about the people in the states. Spying on your own citizen is a big NO, NO. Where are the class action lawsuits, thats whats bothering me. These companies are violating your constitutional rights, they should not be allowed to give away your private information. Sue them. Sue them till they bleed.
 
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10. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 07:34 Redmask
 
Cutter wrote on Jul 12, 2013, 01:03:
I don't care really. Hotmail is my garbage account anyway. I don't do anything illegal online, and if I did I'd be taking steps to protect myself with encryption, blah blah blah. If the feds care if I flame someone or make a trollish comment or what kind of porn I watch go right ahead.

It is a massive privacy violation on behalf of both entities whether you care or not.
 
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9. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 04:40 El Pit
 
I have to say it again: all of this NSA spying on people all over the world and taking a dump on privacy is Watergate multiplied by a million - and all we hear is more or less *crickets*.  
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8. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 02:47 jdreyer
 
Cutter wrote on Jul 12, 2013, 01:03:
I don't care really. Hotmail is my garbage account anyway. I don't do anything illegal online, and if I did I'd be taking steps to protect myself with encryption, blah blah blah. If the feds care if I flame someone or make a trollish comment or what kind of porn I watch go right ahead.

Just be careful about sarcastic comments. The gov't apparently doesn't have a sense of humor, and you'll end up in the slammer waiting for some kindly stranger to bail you out for half a mil.
 
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7. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 01:03 Cutter
 
I don't care really. Hotmail is my garbage account anyway. I don't do anything illegal online, and if I did I'd be taking steps to protect myself with encryption, blah blah blah. If the feds care if I flame someone or make a trollish comment or what kind of porn I watch go right ahead.
 
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6. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 12, 2013, 00:08 Topevoli
 
I lost my Hotmail password once, what a PITA that was. Maybe I should have called the NSA. They can tell me what my favorite food, favorite actor and alternate email address was 10 years after signing up, because I sure as hell can't remember.  
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5. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 11, 2013, 23:51 HorrorScope
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 11, 2013, 21:21:
C'mon guys, why so cynical? Microsoft says right on their site: Your Privacy Is Their Priority. They'd never do anything to violate that!

I believe them, unquestioningly. Why don't you?

Somebody needs to put the NSA MS Keys article and this link together and sue the for a bajillion and Balmer's head on a platter.
 
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4. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 11, 2013, 22:11 LittleMe
 
What big corporate Internet business -isn't- helping them spy on us, and which ones are most zealous about it?

Who was naive about their freedoms and privacy while the feds systematically violated the Constitution using loopholes based on the sort of fear mongering we were all warned about over two centuries ago? How convenient (to them) it all looks.

 
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3. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 11, 2013, 21:21 jdreyer
 
C'mon guys, why so cynical? Microsoft says right on their site: Your Privacy Is Their Priority. They'd never do anything to violate that!

I believe them, unquestioningly. Why don't you?
 
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2. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 11, 2013, 21:00 nin
 
Redmask wrote on Jul 11, 2013, 20:55:
They would never do that for your Xbox though, oh no, stop being paranoid gamers!


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1. Re: Evening Safety Dance Jul 11, 2013, 20:55 Redmask
 
They would never do that for your Xbox though, oh no, stop being paranoid gamers!  
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