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11. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 8, 2013, 15:13 RollinThundr
 
Creston wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 17:43:
ViRGE wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 12:58:
Creston wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 12:31:
Good old Verizon. "It's damaged beyond repair." No, it's damaged beyond your WILLINGNESS to repair it. Those two are not the same fucking thing.
Not quite. Salt water + copper wiring leads to the outright destruction of copper wiring. I mean yeah, bringing back the service is technically "repairing" it, but in reality what has to happen is that Verizon would need to lay down a completely new network. And given they just lost their copper plants it would have to be a fiber network at easily over 10K/home.

That stuff is expensive at a time when people are getting rid of landlines.

And? Fine, if Verizon doesn't want to do it, get out of the area altogether, so another provider can get in there. And they don't want to do that either, because they charge those people higher than normal fees for being in a "difficult to serve" area. It's basically a printing press for money.

This fucking idea that reigns here in the US that if a corporation's infrastructure breaks down, the customer should somehow foot the bill is utterly retarded.

Creston

Considering Obama appointed a former telcom exec as head of the FCC there's no doubt they're fine with this.
 
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10. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 7, 2013, 12:00 Ant
 
Creston wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 12:31:
Good old Verizon. "It's damaged beyond repair." No, it's damaged beyond your WILLINGNESS to repair it. Those two are not the same fucking thing.

You want to provide a public service, you get to pay for it when it fucking fails. Verizon offering a shitty VoIP alternative is ridiculous. If the sewer system in a city breaks, is the sewage company going to offer plastic fucking bags as an alternative, because the system is "damaged beyond repair?"

Watch the FCC just fucking nod and agree, though. Corporate mouthpieces.

Creston
Verizon should just replace those copper lines with fiber then, but no they won't!
 
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9. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 6, 2013, 20:26 Creston
 
Orogogus wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 18:53:
The article seems to say that they do want to get out -- or at least switch to wireless -- and the state is looking at whether to let them. Isn't that the point of the article?

They don't want to get out, they want to switch everyone to VoiceLink which is more expensive for the customer and easier to maintain for Verizon.

You kind of assume that someone else wants to get in there, and I really don't think that's the case.

Their AG seems to think there's others interested.

Creston
 
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8. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 6, 2013, 18:53 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 17:43:
ViRGE wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 12:58:
Creston wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 12:31:
Good old Verizon. "It's damaged beyond repair." No, it's damaged beyond your WILLINGNESS to repair it. Those two are not the same fucking thing.
Not quite. Salt water + copper wiring leads to the outright destruction of copper wiring. I mean yeah, bringing back the service is technically "repairing" it, but in reality what has to happen is that Verizon would need to lay down a completely new network. And given they just lost their copper plants it would have to be a fiber network at easily over 10K/home.

That stuff is expensive at a time when people are getting rid of landlines.

And? Fine, if Verizon doesn't want to do it, get out of the area altogether, so another provider can get in there. And they don't want to do that either, because they charge those people higher than normal fees for being in a "difficult to serve" area. It's basically a printing press for money.

This fucking idea that reigns here in the US that if a corporation's infrastructure breaks down, the customer should somehow foot the bill is utterly retarded.

Creston

The article seems to say that they do want to get out -- or at least switch to wireless -- and the state is looking at whether to let them. Isn't that the point of the article?

You kind of assume that someone else wants to get in there, and I really don't think that's the case.
 
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7. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 6, 2013, 17:45 Creston
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 15:45:
Given that Snowden revealed that the US has been spying extensively on some of our closest allies like Germany, you'd think there'd be plenty of offers for asylum.

Not really. Those closest allies spy on us too, and they're all squirming and trying to stay ducked down behind cover, before someone reveals that, hey, they do it too. None of them want to stand up and offer Snowden sanctuary for fear of getting in the spotlight. (Plus, of course, the US will just play hardball and threaten sanctions.)

I understand why people are angry at the NSA bullshit, but I seriously don't get why people are so shocked over the idea that the US spies on other countries. Every country in the world spies on other countries. They have been doing this since the dawn of time. They all KNOW that they're spying on one another.

Creston
 
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6. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 6, 2013, 17:43 Creston
 
ViRGE wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 12:58:
Creston wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 12:31:
Good old Verizon. "It's damaged beyond repair." No, it's damaged beyond your WILLINGNESS to repair it. Those two are not the same fucking thing.
Not quite. Salt water + copper wiring leads to the outright destruction of copper wiring. I mean yeah, bringing back the service is technically "repairing" it, but in reality what has to happen is that Verizon would need to lay down a completely new network. And given they just lost their copper plants it would have to be a fiber network at easily over 10K/home.

That stuff is expensive at a time when people are getting rid of landlines.

And? Fine, if Verizon doesn't want to do it, get out of the area altogether, so another provider can get in there. And they don't want to do that either, because they charge those people higher than normal fees for being in a "difficult to serve" area. It's basically a printing press for money.

This fucking idea that reigns here in the US that if a corporation's infrastructure breaks down, the customer should somehow foot the bill is utterly retarded.

Creston
 
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5. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 6, 2013, 15:45 jdreyer
 
Given that Snowden revealed that the US has been spying extensively on some of our closest allies like Germany, you'd think there'd be plenty of offers for asylum.  
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4. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 6, 2013, 15:43 jdreyer
 
It's much, much worse than just the areas affected by Sandy. Verizon and ATT are trying to get out of the landline business completely nationwide by reducing service and raising prices.  
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3. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 6, 2013, 14:26 NKD
 
ViRGE wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 12:58:
Creston wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 12:31:
Good old Verizon. "It's damaged beyond repair." No, it's damaged beyond your WILLINGNESS to repair it. Those two are not the same fucking thing.
Not quite. Salt water + copper wiring leads to the outright destruction of copper wiring. I mean yeah, bringing back the service is technically "repairing" it, but in reality what has to happen is that Verizon would need to lay down a completely new network. And given they just lost their copper plants it would have to be a fiber network at easily over 10K/home.

That stuff is expensive at a time when people are getting rid of landlines.

Yeah. I can see how some people might be inconvenienced, but quite frankly with the amount they'd spend repairing this, they'd never get it paid back. It's not like Verizon summoned the fucking hurricane, or lost their infrastructure due to incompetence. If NY wants them to rebuild the landlines they lost through no fault of their own, so badly, maybe they should foot some of the bill?
 
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2. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 6, 2013, 12:58 ViRGE
 
Creston wrote on Jul 6, 2013, 12:31:
Good old Verizon. "It's damaged beyond repair." No, it's damaged beyond your WILLINGNESS to repair it. Those two are not the same fucking thing.
Not quite. Salt water + copper wiring leads to the outright destruction of copper wiring. I mean yeah, bringing back the service is technically "repairing" it, but in reality what has to happen is that Verizon would need to lay down a completely new network. And given they just lost their copper plants it would have to be a fiber network at easily over 10K/home.

That stuff is expensive at a time when people are getting rid of landlines.
 
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1. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 6, 2013, 12:31 Creston
 
Good old Verizon. "It's damaged beyond repair." No, it's damaged beyond your WILLINGNESS to repair it. Those two are not the same fucking thing.

You want to provide a public service, you get to pay for it when it fucking fails. Verizon offering a shitty VoIP alternative is ridiculous. If the sewer system in a city breaks, is the sewage company going to offer plastic fucking bags as an alternative, because the system is "damaged beyond repair?"

Watch the FCC just fucking nod and agree, though. Corporate mouthpieces.

Creston
 
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