Send News. Want a reply? Read this. More in the FAQ.   News Forum - All Forums - Mobile - PDA - RSS Headlines  RSS Headlines   Twitter  Twitter
Customize
User Settings
Styles:
LAN Parties
Upcoming one-time events:

Regularly scheduled events

Saturday Legal Briefs

View
18 Replies. 1 pages. Viewing page 1.
< Newer [ 1 ] Older >

18. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 1, 2013, 19:20 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 1, 2013, 00:45:
Agent.X7 wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 21:23:
We started taxing in the US due to the war of 1812. The the Civil War. We didn't have a permanent income tax until 1913 due to the 16th amendment. One year before WWI.

Our middle class may as well be poor, as most of us are in debt. Our "poor" people mostly live for free on tax money stolen from the middle class.

You're almost right:
1) We did NOT start taxing in the war of 1812. We proposed taxing. We did not actually do it because the war ended
2) You're blaming the wrong class. Should you blame the class that can't get jobs, the class that is in debt due to not being paid enough for their jobs, or the class that actually controls creating jobs and determining pay?

So of course it's the 1%'s fault that people refuse to take any responsibility for themselves, how dare they not hand out a life to those who didn't go through school or made any attempts to better their lives? Right I keep forgetting the term personal responsibility is lost on you.
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
17. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jul 1, 2013, 00:45 Beamer
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 21:23:
We started taxing in the US due to the war of 1812. The the Civil War. We didn't have a permanent income tax until 1913 due to the 16th amendment. One year before WWI.

Our middle class may as well be poor, as most of us are in debt. Our "poor" people mostly live for free on tax money stolen from the middle class.

You're almost right:
1) We did NOT start taxing in the war of 1812. We proposed taxing. We did not actually do it because the war ended
2) You're blaming the wrong class. Should you blame the class that can't get jobs, the class that is in debt due to not being paid enough for their jobs, or the class that actually controls creating jobs and determining pay?
 
-------------
Music for the discerning:
http://www.deathwishinc.com
http://www.hydrahead.com
http://www.painkillerrecords.com
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
16. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 30, 2013, 21:23 Agent.X7
 
We started taxing in the US due to the war of 1812. The the Civil War. We didn't have a permanent income tax until 1913 due to the 16th amendment. One year before WWI.

Our middle class may as well be poor, as most of us are in debt. Our "poor" people mostly live for free on tax money stolen from the middle class.
 
Avatar 23400
 
Origin - JStarX7
STEAM - Agent.X7
PSN - JStar_X7
Xbox Live - Agent X7
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
15. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 30, 2013, 15:51 Beamer
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 14:30:
Beamer wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 13:35:
LittleMe wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 13:08:
HorrorScope wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 12:24:
It's not about gross tax, it's about net tax.

If your base tax is 40%, but EOY you only pay 5%, that last # is the real number. We continue to be lied/manipulated by reporting the first base number. My company only publicly states they pay the big base % as by law, but looking at their public tax records, their net result is under 5%. They cry and whine like they only pay the base amount publicly, making avg joe Republicans come to their defense. Being played the foo.

Right so lets abolish income tax and the people, not corporations, who pay a much larger percentage would win. No really, the income tax is backwards and has failed as you point out.


Did you really just say we should abolish the income tax and increase the corporate tax?

That... that doesn't really work, unless you want a very small group of very wealthy people and an overwhelmingly large group of utterly poor people. Because, in that scenario, enormous amounts of jobs disappear or go overseas, the ones making those decisions get enormous bonuses since there's no reason not to grant yourself the maximum amount of money, and everyone else works at McDonald's. I mean, of course, the ones giving themselves those massive amounts of money feel they earned it.

You do realize that we already live in the situation you describe. You do also realize that we had no income tax before the early 1900s and the country ran just fine. We started taxing due to war, and the government got so greedy that we just never shut it back off. Now, because we steal so much money from citizens we are shipping money to foreign countries as political bribes (And calling it "aid") and starting wars over things that don't even concern us. (Which is why everyone else in the world loves us so much) We maintain military bases all over the world. We steal local money and then threaten not to give it back unless we do what the feds want. Our country is a bit ridiculous.

By comparison the Swedes have it good. Sure, they get robbed too, but at least their government does stuff for them with the money. Ours throw it up in the air and swims in it.

We don't live in the situation I described. We live in a situation where corporations are oddly taxed but still taxed and people aren't much taxed.

What I described is more akin to the 1950s or 1960s, with a change in the corporate taxation to acknowledge the fact that corporations can change locations of employees very fluidly.

We didn't start "taxing due to the war," unless you mean the Civil War. But taxation increased with the 16th Amendment and WWI, this is true. In the aftermath, we went from a very few rich people and a lot of very poor people to a solid middle class.

Then in the late 70s and early 80s we scaled that back and suddenly the income inequality got closer to the 1890s, you know, The Jungle, and less like the 1950s when people had plenty of cash to spend.
 
-------------
Music for the discerning:
http://www.deathwishinc.com
http://www.hydrahead.com
http://www.painkillerrecords.com
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
14. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 30, 2013, 15:17 Creston
 
That's what you get when you vote socialists into power: They come up with new and absurd taxes. Is that news to anybody or something? All those awesome government programs have to be paid for somehow.

Creston
 
Avatar 15604
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
13. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 30, 2013, 14:30 Agent.X7
 
Beamer wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 13:35:
LittleMe wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 13:08:
HorrorScope wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 12:24:
It's not about gross tax, it's about net tax.

If your base tax is 40%, but EOY you only pay 5%, that last # is the real number. We continue to be lied/manipulated by reporting the first base number. My company only publicly states they pay the big base % as by law, but looking at their public tax records, their net result is under 5%. They cry and whine like they only pay the base amount publicly, making avg joe Republicans come to their defense. Being played the foo.

Right so lets abolish income tax and the people, not corporations, who pay a much larger percentage would win. No really, the income tax is backwards and has failed as you point out.


Did you really just say we should abolish the income tax and increase the corporate tax?

That... that doesn't really work, unless you want a very small group of very wealthy people and an overwhelmingly large group of utterly poor people. Because, in that scenario, enormous amounts of jobs disappear or go overseas, the ones making those decisions get enormous bonuses since there's no reason not to grant yourself the maximum amount of money, and everyone else works at McDonald's. I mean, of course, the ones giving themselves those massive amounts of money feel they earned it.

You do realize that we already live in the situation you describe. You do also realize that we had no income tax before the early 1900s and the country ran just fine. We started taxing due to war, and the government got so greedy that we just never shut it back off. Now, because we steal so much money from citizens we are shipping money to foreign countries as political bribes (And calling it "aid") and starting wars over things that don't even concern us. (Which is why everyone else in the world loves us so much) We maintain military bases all over the world. We steal local money and then threaten not to give it back unless we do what the feds want. Our country is a bit ridiculous.

By comparison the Swedes have it good. Sure, they get robbed too, but at least their government does stuff for them with the money. Ours throw it up in the air and swims in it.
 
Avatar 23400
 
Origin - JStarX7
STEAM - Agent.X7
PSN - JStar_X7
Xbox Live - Agent X7
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
12. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 30, 2013, 13:35 Beamer
 
LittleMe wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 13:08:
HorrorScope wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 12:24:
It's not about gross tax, it's about net tax.

If your base tax is 40%, but EOY you only pay 5%, that last # is the real number. We continue to be lied/manipulated by reporting the first base number. My company only publicly states they pay the big base % as by law, but looking at their public tax records, their net result is under 5%. They cry and whine like they only pay the base amount publicly, making avg joe Republicans come to their defense. Being played the foo.

Right so lets abolish income tax and the people, not corporations, who pay a much larger percentage would win. No really, the income tax is backwards and has failed as you point out.


Did you really just say we should abolish the income tax and increase the corporate tax?

That... that doesn't really work, unless you want a very small group of very wealthy people and an overwhelmingly large group of utterly poor people. Because, in that scenario, enormous amounts of jobs disappear or go overseas, the ones making those decisions get enormous bonuses since there's no reason not to grant yourself the maximum amount of money, and everyone else works at McDonald's. I mean, of course, the ones giving themselves those massive amounts of money feel they earned it.
 
-------------
Music for the discerning:
http://www.deathwishinc.com
http://www.hydrahead.com
http://www.painkillerrecords.com
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
11. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 30, 2013, 13:08 LittleMe
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jun 30, 2013, 12:24:
It's not about gross tax, it's about net tax.

If your base tax is 40%, but EOY you only pay 5%, that last # is the real number. We continue to be lied/manipulated by reporting the first base number. My company only publicly states they pay the big base % as by law, but looking at their public tax records, their net result is under 5%. They cry and whine like they only pay the base amount publicly, making avg joe Republicans come to their defense. Being played the foo.

Right so lets abolish income tax and the people, not corporations, who pay a much larger percentage would win. No really, the income tax is backwards and has failed as you point out.

 
Avatar 23321
 
Perpetual debt is slavery.
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
10. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 30, 2013, 12:24 HorrorScope
 
It's not about gross tax, it's about net tax.

If your base tax is 40%, but EOY you only pay 5%, that last # is the real number. We continue to be lied/manipulated by reporting the first base number. My company only publicly states they pay the big base % as by law, but looking at their public tax records, their net result is under 5%. They cry and whine like they only pay the base amount publicly, making avg joe Republicans come to their defense. Being played the foo.
 
Avatar 17232
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
9. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 30, 2013, 04:24 vrok
 
It's not a LAN party tax and friatider.se is a far right activism 'news' site.

Here is the real gist of the story:

Only for commercial corporations that have machines set up so that the public can come there and pay for playing on their machines. Famously, Inferno Online have had to pay this fee, and other LAN cafés are going to follow. What's happened is that slot machines and "gaming computers" have been found to be the same from a legal standpoint.

This does NOT affect BYOC-LANs, eSport-events or anything done in a non-profit organization.
 
Avatar 54711
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
8. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 30, 2013, 02:28 Redmask
 
You get free racism too apparently.  
Avatar 57682
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
7. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 30, 2013, 01:50 NewMaxx
 
Klaus Flouride wrote on Jun 29, 2013, 16:58:
In Sweden everything is paid for by the Government. Education, healthcare, etc. Keep in mind the top tax payers in the US are paying 45%, as of '13, and we get next to nothing free, except stress and Mexicans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

Sort by Individual (max). Nice try, though.
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
6. removed Jun 29, 2013, 16:58 Klaus Flouride
 
* REMOVED *
This comment was deleted on Jun 30, 2013, 14:30.
 
Avatar 24317
 
When all else fails empty the magazine...
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
5. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 29, 2013, 16:39 1badmf
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Jun 29, 2013, 14:27:
Slashman wrote on Jun 29, 2013, 13:55:
Wow...I used to think I wouldn't mind visiting Sweden someday... Speechless
About 14 years ago, a made a pretty good friend via IRC who lived there. Setup and deployed one of the first rural fiber networks in the country. It was bad then, it accelerated back about 5 years ago. He's since gone and left the country, and moved to Singapore. People think taxation is crazy in the US and Canada, when he left he was dropping around 63% of his paycheque yearly in taxes.

63%?!?!!? *FATALITY* *SWEDEN. WINS*
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
4. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 29, 2013, 14:32 killer_roach
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 29, 2013, 12:42:
Precursor Games will now be known as Pedo Bear Games. Seriously though, I have to agree with a lot of people when saying given the gravity of the charge people in cases like this should not be named until they're convicted. Because if it turns out he really isn't guilty the damage is done and will follow him always.

Although Precursor still has Dyack involved. Obviously their threshold for depravity is selective if one stays and the other goes.
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
3. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 29, 2013, 14:27 Mashiki Amiketo
 
Slashman wrote on Jun 29, 2013, 13:55:
Wow...I used to think I wouldn't mind visiting Sweden someday... Speechless
About 14 years ago, a made a pretty good friend via IRC who lived there. Setup and deployed one of the first rural fiber networks in the country. It was bad then, it accelerated back about 5 years ago. He's since gone and left the country, and moved to Singapore. People think taxation is crazy in the US and Canada, when he left he was dropping around 63% of his paycheque yearly in taxes.
 
--
"For every human problem,
there is a neat, simple solution;
and it is always wrong."
--H.L. Mencken
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
2. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 29, 2013, 13:55 Slashman
 
Wow...I used to think I wouldn't mind visiting Sweden someday... Speechless  
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
1. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jun 29, 2013, 12:42 Cutter
 
Wtf Sweden? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

And what business of AT&T's is it what I'm downloading? They're not a law enforcement organization.

Precursor Games will now be known as Pedo Bear Games. Seriously though, I have to agree with a lot of people when saying given the gravity of the charge people in cases like this should not be named until they're convicted. Because if it turns out he really isn't guilty the damage is done and will follow him always.
 
Avatar 25394
 
"Bye weeks? Bronko Nagurski didn't get no bye weeks, and now he's dead… Well, maybe they're a good thing." - Moe
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
18 Replies. 1 pages. Viewing page 1.
< Newer [ 1 ] Older >


footer

Blue's News logo