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Happy Koninginnedag to Frans and all our Dutch friends, as today is Queen's Day in the Netherlands, celebrating the birthday of Queen Beatrix (which is actually in January, but she seems to have inherited her mom's date for Queen's Day along with the crown). Today will actually be the last Queen's Day for (hopefully) a long time, as Queen Beatrix is taking the opportunity to abdicate today, and her son Prince Willem-Alexander will take the throne (I'm not sure they actually have a throne, but I know I would). Next year the event will be King's Day (Koningsdag), to be held on the King's actual birthday of April 27th (apparently it being warm enough for outdoor activities influences the date for this), so it will be that much easier to associate the event with our anniversary, as MrsBlue and I have an affection for this occasion after getting to experience it during our honeymoon. Here's a live blog of today's festivities, and of course, long live the king!

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22. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 13:28 NewMaxx
 
I'll be honest. When I was younger, all my friends (I refuse to include myself) smoked a lot of pot and (thanks to it being a gateway) other drugs. Now that we're all grown up and reliable adults, every last one has at least one autistic child. Coincidence? Certainly autism rates have skyrocketed. My theory? Recreational drug use.

They're also all suffering from conditions at a higher rate than the national average (everything from sleep apnea to strokes to autoimmune). Better diagnosis? No, probably the drugs again. The problem is that simply not enough studies have been done to properly analyze the long-term effects of drugs.

As I'm a scientist and can see 15+ years after the fact now, I can tell you it's pretty obvious. If I could only go back in time...and trust me when I say my friends feel the same. Now they add in a far higher than average cost to the medical system because they wanted to "just smoke a little weed."

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 13:28 Cutter
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Apr 30, 2013, 13:14:
We've already spent $16 trillion on the "war on poverty" and things have only gotten worse. But keep on dreamin!

16 trillion? Lol! In what universe did that happen?
 
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"Nobody wants to be nobody in America. Ed is the apotheosis of a prevailing American syndrome. It used to be that someone became famous because they were special. Now people are considered special just for being famous. Fame, itself, is its own virtue.
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20. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 13:14 Mad Max RW
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 30, 2013, 12:49:
It's good to be the king.

Legalizing drugs works.

SciAm article from 2009

Time article about the same from 2009

Forbes article 2011

Couple that with how much of a failure and all the associated costs - monetarily as well as human - of the US 'War on Drugs' to the almost outright wars that have been going on in Mexico, central and south America. We know for an absolute certainty that prohibition does not work. Take all the money wasted on that and use it to combat poverty and then you'll see real positive effects.

We've already spent $16 trillion on the "war on poverty" and things have only gotten worse. But keep on dreamin!
 
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 13:08 Verno
 
Jivaro wrote on Apr 30, 2013, 12:42:
Verno wrote on Apr 30, 2013, 12:12:
Yeah I've never thought of weed as a gateway drug, if anything alcohol and influence from friends lead to me trying more exotic drugs in school.

Yeah, I can't speak for the population at large...but alcohol always seemed like the more "gateway" of supposed gateway drugs to me. When I was much younger, if I were out drinking with friends I was prone to doing the crazy shit we all don't tell our kids about until they are out of the house. When I was stoned with those same friends the evening were much more chill.

Obviously I don't single-handedly represent the "majority" of people, but I admit to having a struggle understanding how it would be much different for anybody else.

Yeah exactly. Weed always mellowed me out, made me tired and hungry. Its like an expensive sleeping pill that gives you pleasant dreams. I never tried anything else because of weed though, it was always due to other factors.
 
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18. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 13:05 eRe4s3r
 
Define drugs.. because if you want to legalize Crystal Meth I am gonna assume you never seen someone being addicted to that. These things that are left behind after addiction to that are not even Human anymore. They look like Zombies.  
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17. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 12:49 Cutter
 
It's good to be the king.

Legalizing drugs works.

SciAm article from 2009

Time article about the same from 2009

Forbes article 2011

Couple that with how much of a failure and all the associated costs - monetarily as well as human - of the US 'War on Drugs' to the almost outright wars that have been going on in Mexico, central and south America. We know for an absolute certainty that prohibition does not work. Take all the money wasted on that and use it to combat poverty and then you'll see real positive effects.
 
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"Nobody wants to be nobody in America. Ed is the apotheosis of a prevailing American syndrome. It used to be that someone became famous because they were special. Now people are considered special just for being famous. Fame, itself, is its own virtue.
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16. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 12:42 Jivaro
 
Verno wrote on Apr 30, 2013, 12:12:
Yeah I've never thought of weed as a gateway drug, if anything alcohol and influence from friends lead to me trying more exotic drugs in school.

Yeah, I can't speak for the population at large...but alcohol always seemed like the more "gateway" of supposed gateway drugs to me. When I was much younger, if I were out drinking with friends I was prone to doing the crazy shit we all don't tell our kids about until they are out of the house. When I was stoned with those same friends the evening were much more chill.

Obviously I don't single-handedly represent the "majority" of people, but I admit to having a struggle understanding how it would be much different for anybody else.
 
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15. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 12:12 Verno
 
Yeah I've never thought of weed as a gateway drug, if anything alcohol and influence from friends lead to me trying more exotic drugs in school.  
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14. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 12:08 Hoop
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Apr 30, 2013, 10:29:
Dear Internet media companies and website owners:
I will NEVER buy anything that you put in a video before the video I came to that site to watch.
Peace.

BBBuuuuutt it's a flesh colored man boob bra with nipple warmers, & it can send a message to three forms of social media to let you know it needs washing!
Ok Ok I don't need it but I have no friends on facebook & I leave it outside just so I get a facebook message to tell me it's dirty......& then I like it. *sniff*

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13. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 11:58 PHJF
 
Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences

Patterns in progression of drug use from adolescence to adulthood are strikingly regular. Because it is the most widely used illicit drug, marijuana is predictably the first illicit drug most people encounter. Not surprisingly, most users of other illicit drugs have used marijuana first. In fact, most drug users begin with alcohol and nicotine before marijuana — usually before they are of legal age.

In the sense that marijuana use typically precedes rather than follows initiation of other illicit drug use, it is indeed a “gateway” drug. But because underage smoking and alcohol use typically precede marijuana use, marijuana is not the most common, and is rarely the first, “gateway” to illicit drug use. There is no conclusive evidence that the drug effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent abuse of other illicit drugs.
 
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12. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 11:20 Creston
 
PHJF wrote on Apr 30, 2013, 11:12:
The absurdly aggressive enforcement against marijuana users (there are more arrests for possession of weed than arrests for violent crime) is a huge, pointless drain on law enforcement resources.

That I will definitely agree with, but I didn't want to raise the "cost" issue in my post, because I didn't want to have it seem that people sliding into hardcore drug use is acceptable if it comes with a certain dollar value in saved expenses attached to it.

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11. Down with Monarchy! Apr 30, 2013, 11:13 eRe4s3r
 
Viva la Revolution! Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Onward to the Bastion!

Also that Baboons Story is pretty scary.....

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10. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 11:12 PHJF
 
No more people will use weed when (and it is WHEN) it is legalized than use it now. It's so socially acceptable and the negative effects are so minimal when compared to a) actually serious controlled substances and b) alcohol that anyone who wants to use weed already does. The absurdly aggressive enforcement against marijuana users (there are more arrests for possession of weed than arrests for violent crime) is a huge, pointless drain on law enforcement resources.  
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9. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 11:10 Creston
 
InBlack wrote on Apr 30, 2013, 10:59:
Legalizing booze brought down the gangs or at least forced them to shift to other illegal ventures it allowed the government to get a grip on a huge problem.

That doesn't happen in a vacuum, though. The congressmen can describe the "gateway drug" theory as a red herring, but it's a genuine effect. When the Netherlands legalized soft drugs, the use of hardcore drugs went up considerably, and with that came the Russian and (former) Yugoslavian maffia that for awhile controlled basically the entire hardcore drug market. And they were the kind of hardcore criminals that you normally only see in movies, and which the Dutch police and investigators were wholly unprepared to deal with.

I have no idea whether the same thing would happen here, of course, and it's very probable that the gateway drug effect wouldn't be enough to offset the benefits in having more control over the sale of marijuana to children. But for the congressmen to just deny it out of hand is nothing more than Ostrich Policy, which is something our government seems to be very, very fucking good at these days.

Creston

 
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8. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 11:04 Creston
 
Those ESB pics are so fucking awesome. And eh... Leia gets around, doesn't she...?

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7. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 10:59 InBlack
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Apr 30, 2013, 10:50:
Pot legalization seems like a good idea, but I have to admit it sounds a little too good to be true. While I have no concrete evidence or even logical speculation, my gut tells me the legalization of pot has an equal chance of being great or leading to terribly bad, unforeseen problems. Maybe it's because in this area I'm as straight laced as they come, having never tried anything. My drugs of choice have been alcohol and caffeine. I just hope people smarter than me think it through carefully...

Well since you already admit to being an alcohol user, you can conceptualize it this way. Think of the roaring twenties and thirties and all the booze smugling gangsters of the day such as the infamous Al Capone. Legalizing booze brought down the gangs or at least forced them to shift to other illegal ventures it allowed the government to get a grip on a huge problem. It also created a booming and vibrant (taxble) industry.

There is the public health argument, but its very hypocritical to argue about publich health issues when we have a much worse drug which is perfectly legal in most countries of the world today (alcohol).
 
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6. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 10:50 Mr. Tact
 
Pot legalization seems like a good idea, but I have to admit it sounds a little too good to be true. While I have no concrete evidence or even logical speculation, my gut tells me the legalization of pot has an equal chance of being great or leading to terribly bad, unforeseen problems. Maybe it's because in this area I'm as straight laced as they come, having never tried anything. My drugs of choice have been alcohol and caffeine. I just hope people smarter than me think it through carefully...  
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5. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 10:46 Creston
 
Queen's Day has always been a fun day, and it's weird that they're changing the date for Willem-Alexander. Then again, I doubt the activities (massive street market in Amsterdam and basically everyone getting drunk) will change all that much.

Creston
 
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4. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 10:45 1badmf
 
man those ESB pics just bring back my awe and wonder at that film all over again. and my not inconsiderable crush on princess leia. i actually prefer classy, administrator leia over action hero leia from rotj.  
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3. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 30, 2013, 10:32 InBlack
 
I completely agree with that marijuana legalization article. Its not gonna happen though. The pharmaceutical industry simply has too much to lose, not to mention the considerably powerful cartels which would lose a shitload of money.  
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