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21. Re: More Big Picture Details Mar 31, 2013, 15:16 Beelzebud
 
When someone can literally afford to spend roughly 30 million dollars for a 10 day vacation, I have a hard time donating money to them.  
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20. Re: More Big Picture Details Mar 31, 2013, 13:54 nin
 
HorrorScope wrote on Mar 31, 2013, 13:49:
ASeven wrote on Mar 30, 2013, 22:00:
Dragon's Age 2 main flaw is that it exists.

Best thing going for Bioware games now is Frostbite... by a long margin. Now I'm excited to see what they do.


I'm skeptical an engine is going to fix all their other problems...

 
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19. Re: More Big Picture Details Mar 31, 2013, 13:49 HorrorScope
 
ASeven wrote on Mar 30, 2013, 22:00:
Dragon's Age 2 main flaw is that it exists.

Best thing going for Bioware games now is Frostbite... by a long margin. Now I'm excited to see what they do.
 
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18. Re: More Big Picture Details Mar 31, 2013, 13:43 HorrorScope
 
So your telling me we need another law?  
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17. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 31, 2013, 13:12 SirKnight
 
Panickd wrote on Mar 31, 2013, 10:11:
Cutter wrote on Mar 31, 2013, 06:36:
Are you guys dense or just fucking stupid? Crowdsourcing doesn't exist to keep fat cats fat, it's there to help people who have good ideas and no capital. Jesus, it's not rocket science. It's called Moral Hazard. Christ, try getting an education and a set or morals sometime.


Since when does business have anything whatsoever to do with morals?


It should, but it doesn't because of greed.
 
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16. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 31, 2013, 10:19 Redmask
 
Cutter wrote on Mar 31, 2013, 06:36:
Are you guys dense or just fucking stupid? Crowdsourcing doesn't exist to keep fat cats fat, it's there to help people who have good ideas and no capital. Jesus, it's not rocket science. It's called Moral Hazard. Christ, try getting an education and a set or morals sometime.


Your extreme overreaction and personal insults don't successfully hide your complete lack of an actual rebuttal. I must have missed the 'personally risking bankrupty is a moral obligation' portion of business courses in school.

Crowdfunding is just another method of raising capital and the people behind the ideas are under no obligation to personally fund anything, morals or not. In fact I don't see many other Kickstarters doing what you claim is 'moral' either. Who knows though, have you bothered to actually ask him if hes put any of his own money in? He can be reached on the Kickstarter contact page. Maybe he has and he's just raising what he thinks is sensible for the rest.
 
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15. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 31, 2013, 10:11 Panickd
 
Cutter wrote on Mar 31, 2013, 06:36:
Are you guys dense or just fucking stupid? Crowdsourcing doesn't exist to keep fat cats fat, it's there to help people who have good ideas and no capital. Jesus, it's not rocket science. It's called Moral Hazard. Christ, try getting an education and a set or morals sometime.


Since when does business have anything whatsoever to do with morals?
 
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14. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 31, 2013, 09:59 PHJF
 
Everybody stand down, the Master Crowdfunding Specialist Executive has issued a verdict!  
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13. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 31, 2013, 06:36 Cutter
 
Are you guys dense or just fucking stupid? Crowdsourcing doesn't exist to keep fat cats fat, it's there to help people who have good ideas and no capital. Jesus, it's not rocket science. It's called Moral Hazard. Christ, try getting an education and a set or morals sometime.

 
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12. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 31, 2013, 02:17 Redmask
 
Cutter wrote on Mar 30, 2013, 23:12:
If he can afford a castle, outrageous parties all the time and go to space he could fund his own fucking work.

Rich people don't stay rich by investing all of their money on risky endeavors. Maybe he wants to hang onto his money to have more parties and go to space again, I don't remember there being a rule that you need to have a huge vested interest to make a game. Most other developers certainly don't have one.

Why would he invest anything at all when other people will do it for him? It's just smart business. They get a game they want, he gets to make the game.
 
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11. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 31, 2013, 02:10 NKD
 
Cutter wrote on Mar 30, 2013, 23:12:
If he can afford a castle, outrageous parties all the time and go to space he could fund his own fucking work.

But why should he if other people want to? It's about distributing risk, genius. Some guy invests all his money into a project and it fails, he ends up ruined. Some guy invests $15 from a bunch of other people into a project and it fails, no one person is overly burdened.

It's just like more traditional business investments. People give money knowing they may lose out in the end, but since the risk is shouldered by a large number of people, an unacceptable risk becomes an acceptable one.

The whole point of crowdfunding for games is to allow people to take on risky projects they wouldn't otherwise undertake.

It just makes no sense to tell a potential game developer "Sorry, but YOU aren't allowed to take this less risky path to make your risky game. You have to clean out your kids' college fund." That doesn't get us the games made that we want. He'll say 'Fuck it' to the crowd funding concept and just go back to shilling for EA or something, and whatever awesome idea he had for a game probably gets turned into the next EA abomination.
 
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10. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 30, 2013, 23:12 Cutter
 
If he can afford a castle, outrageous parties all the time and go to space he could fund his own fucking work.
 
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"Nobody wants to be nobody in America. Ed is the apotheosis of a prevailing American syndrome. It used to be that someone became famous because they were special. Now people are considered special just for being famous. Fame, itself, is its own virtue.
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9. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 30, 2013, 22:00 ASeven
 
Dragon's Age 2 main flaw is that it exists.  
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8. removed Mar 30, 2013, 20:54 s1mon75
 
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7. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 30, 2013, 19:59 wtf_man
 
jdreyer wrote on Mar 30, 2013, 18:04:
However, what really shocks me is that people funded Garriott despite knowing how much money the guy has.

Let me first say, I'm not a big fan of Garriot... so don't take the following defense as fanboism...

Anyway, he's already poured tons of his own money into the company (millions) to get the project going. He probably ran low on "liquid cash"... being "worth" a lot and having "tons of cash" are two different things.

In any case... he has explained that he could either go to a publisher, or go crowd-funding to take things to the next step and finish the game. He chose crowd-funding to avoid publisher BS.

I suppose a third option would be to sell assets to get the cash... but having feedback from backers has already been way more beneficial... he made the change to have the game playable totally offline, which was not his original plan, but one he altered after folks said they wanted that.

So, an Ultima successor, with Backer input... fine by me. We'll see if he still has anything left... or if he's truly washed up as a game designer. I would have to say this game will make or break his reputation, once and for all.
 
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6. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 30, 2013, 19:28 Icewind
 
NKD wrote on Mar 30, 2013, 18:44:
All games should be crowd-funded. I don't want the traditional publisher business model to exist at all. It stifles creativity.

I don't understand you people who think crowdfunding should be used to get your company off the ground just so that you can sell out. It needs to be THE business model. You guys need to stop thinking about it like it's charity or welfare to be reserved for the needy.

The whole attitude where "Hey you have X amount of money therefore you should be required to gamble all of it instead of making your case to crowdfunders." makes not one bit of god damn sense.

Plus I think it should be up to ME to decide what I want to fund. Arbitrary restrictions based on some vague estimate of someone's non-crowdfunding resources will just fracture the crowdfunding community and reduce the visibility of any single project.

That's a bit extreme, but I can see where you're coming from though. The big publishing houses have too much power nowadays and they've effectively shackled developers and have not permitted them to make the games they want. I'm sure you show this thread to Chris Avellone and he'd tell you a dozen or so stories backing that up.

The problem is when a publisher becomes to big and begins thinking they know better than the gamer and the developer.
 
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5. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 30, 2013, 18:44 NKD
 
All games should be crowd-funded. I don't want the traditional publisher business model to exist at all. It stifles creativity.

I don't understand you people who think crowdfunding should be used to get your company off the ground just so that you can sell out. It needs to be THE business model. You guys need to stop thinking about it like it's charity or welfare to be reserved for the needy.

The whole attitude where "Hey you have X amount of money therefore you should be required to gamble all of it instead of making your case to crowdfunders." makes not one bit of god damn sense.

Plus I think it should be up to ME to decide what I want to fund. Arbitrary restrictions based on some vague estimate of someone's non-crowdfunding resources will just fracture the crowdfunding community and reduce the visibility of any single project.
 
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If you don't like where gaming is heading, stop giving your money to the people who are taking it in that direction.
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4. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 30, 2013, 18:14 Bhruic
 
I'm still on the fence on the issue, as I see both sides of it.
If the media would independently scan the projects to figure out which the good ones are, no matter who is involved, we would all be a huge step ahead in these things.

That quote, however, seems exceptionally naive.
 
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3. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 30, 2013, 18:04 jdreyer
 
I'm not opposed to people trying. There are reasons other than money for a developer to do Kickstarter: gauging interest in a project, soliciting feedback, etc. Restricting on wealth would also be hard to evaluate and enforce. Garriott might personally have a fortune, but does his company?

However, what really shocks me is that people funded Garriott despite knowing how much money the guy has.
 
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2. Re: Saturday Interviews Mar 30, 2013, 18:01 Cutter
 
I agree with him completely and have said that from day one.  
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