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28. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 15:56 Beamer
 
And who here says the government should daddy us?

You come up with these absolutely nuts strawmen that exist only on the Bill O'Reilly show.


Should the government do what it can to fight institutionalized sexism and racism?
Yes. Yes it should.
Should it "daddy" us?
What does that even mean?
 
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27. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 15:54 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Mar 6, 2013, 17:38:
Cutter wrote on Mar 6, 2013, 17:31:
RollinThundr wrote on Mar 6, 2013, 16:01:
Cutter wrote on Mar 6, 2013, 13:13:
Tried the alpha and it sucked. The show looks equally as bad. Both are bound to fail hard.

lol judging a game on an alpha. Clown

Well, it's pretty obvious, much like yourself. Both failures.

lol keep telling yourself that libtard.
 
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26. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 15:52 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 15:13:
RollinThundr wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 15:00:
Verno wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 14:11:
Hahah who would seriously defend some dipshit getting 30 months for trying to crash aircraft?
It's a 19 year old kid, I hardly think he was thinking Oh I'll crash some planes today. Stupid to do? Very much so, throwing the book at a bored and obviously stupid kid to do it twice however seems a tad harsh.

And really it's the other story that should have people far more up in arms. We are becoming a police state and no one seems to give a fuck about it.

This is throwing the book? The maximum is 5 years per offense. 2 offenses. 30 months is significantly less than 120 months.

Plus, with this being fairly common and people not realizing it's illegal or dangerous, an example is being made of him to get the word out. It happens.

Plus, given that this is more than the prosecution recommended, there's another hearing next week, in which the sentence will likely be dropped down to 12-15 months.

Plus, even if he did get the 30 months, as a guy with no priors that did something non-violent he'd likely serve a tiny fraction before being let out.

Plus, just because he wasn't thinking "oh, I'll crash some planes today" doesn't mean he didn't do something that could have led to it. He needs to take personal responsibility for his actions, right?

Plus, laws don't necessarily care what your intention was. Trust me, though, had his intent been to use the laser to crash a few planes he'd be getting much, much, much more than 30 months.

Plus, maybe you'll learn a lesson that confusing your actual point with idiocy like "you libs" and "both these stories" just distracts from any point you mean to make. Had you stopped and said "wow, this one story is pretty frightening, what do you guys think?" you would have had some discussion. But when you say "you stupid libtards didn't respond to these two horrible stories within 20 minutes of Blue posting them so clearly you don't care" then you get people mocking you for the rest of the day.
This is why people think you troll. Your posts are so well structured to avoid any real conversation that you have to be planning them that way.

Beamer, I've tried time and time to actually discuss things, sure I take a pot shot at liberals in general here and there, but at the least I don't go out of my way to call people names or accuse them of bigotry on a regular basis. I'll leave that job to you since you're so good at it.

I didn't say you stupid anything, I was amused that a news post sat there for half a morning that paints the gov in a bad light when generally the folks that argue government should daddy us all had nothing to post on the topic. That's all it was, nothing more nothing less.
 
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25. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 15:13 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 15:00:
Verno wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 14:11:
Hahah who would seriously defend some dipshit getting 30 months for trying to crash aircraft?
It's a 19 year old kid, I hardly think he was thinking Oh I'll crash some planes today. Stupid to do? Very much so, throwing the book at a bored and obviously stupid kid to do it twice however seems a tad harsh.

And really it's the other story that should have people far more up in arms. We are becoming a police state and no one seems to give a fuck about it.

This is throwing the book? The maximum is 5 years per offense. 2 offenses. 30 months is significantly less than 120 months.

Plus, with this being fairly common and people not realizing it's illegal or dangerous, an example is being made of him to get the word out. It happens.

Plus, given that this is more than the prosecution recommended, there's another hearing next week, in which the sentence will likely be dropped down to 12-15 months.

Plus, even if he did get the 30 months, as a guy with no priors that did something non-violent he'd likely serve a tiny fraction before being let out.

Plus, just because he wasn't thinking "oh, I'll crash some planes today" doesn't mean he didn't do something that could have led to it. He needs to take personal responsibility for his actions, right?

Plus, laws don't necessarily care what your intention was. Trust me, though, had his intent been to use the laser to crash a few planes he'd be getting much, much, much more than 30 months.

Plus, maybe you'll learn a lesson that confusing your actual point with idiocy like "you libs" and "both these stories" just distracts from any point you mean to make. Had you stopped and said "wow, this one story is pretty frightening, what do you guys think?" you would have had some discussion. But when you say "you stupid libtards didn't respond to these two horrible stories within 20 minutes of Blue posting them so clearly you don't care" then you get people mocking you for the rest of the day.
This is why people think you troll. Your posts are so well structured to avoid any real conversation that you have to be planning them that way.
 
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24. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 15:00 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 14:11:
Hahah who would seriously defend some dipshit getting 30 months for trying to crash aircraft?
It's a 19 year old kid, I hardly think he was thinking Oh I'll crash some planes today. Stupid to do? Very much so, throwing the book at a bored and obviously stupid kid to do it twice however seems a tad harsh.

And really it's the other story that should have people far more up in arms. We are becoming a police state and no one seems to give a fuck about it.
 
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23. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 14:19 HorrorScope
 
Don't put your sick murder plans online.
Don't put your sick kiddy porn online.
Better yet, don't do any of the above.
Next.
 
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22. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 14:11 Verno
 
Hahah who would seriously defend some dipshit getting 30 months for trying to crash aircraft?  
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21. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 13:56 jdreyer
 
Regarding this case: You don't mess with airplanes, period, the end. I think this is a fair sentence. The guy did it twice, including a police helo. The sentences for screwing around with aircraft have always been pretty severe, and rightfully so given the severity of the consequences. This could have caused a crashes and deaths.

Regarding Weev and Swartz: I don't think Swartz serving six months is totally out of whack, but the fact that he was able to be threatened with 35 years is. Weev's sentence probably is a bit much. He got more jail time than the laser dude. But it's not reaching gross injustice levels. However, he too was threatened with 30 years in prison for exposing AT&T's lax security.

The truth is that the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is a terrible law and needs to be reformed.
 
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20. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 13:38 eRe4s3r
 
30 months is still way too little for the jackasses running around with 3B/4 lasers and pointing them at humans, cars or planes.  
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19. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 13:26 avianflu
 
if you google Adam Gardenhire, you get a facebook pic of him smoking dope. His parents must be very proud.  
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18. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 12:06 RollinThundr
 
InBlack wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 11:59:
Exactly, size doesnt really matter if the job gets done. Unfortunately in the US version of democracy, getting the job done most often entails getting elected and nothing else.

This is getting worse and worse, and its spreading into all of the US influenced nations as well. Left and Right have become meaningless, ideology has become a means to get elected into office and has no true value anymore. No one gives a shit about getting anything done other than getting elected and campaigning for the next election.

Worst of all are the masses who seem obvlivious to this, despite the fact that this is getting more and more obvious with every single election.

Democracy is way fucking overrated if you ask me...

It's two sides of the same coin, just what is personally more important to oneself, social issues or economy. That's really what it breaks down to at this point.
 
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17. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 11:59 InBlack
 
Exactly, size doesnt really matter if the job gets done. Unfortunately in the US version of democracy, getting the job done most often entails getting elected and nothing else.

This is getting worse and worse, and its spreading into all of the US influenced nations as well. Left and Right have become meaningless, ideology has become a means to get elected into office and has no true value anymore. No one gives a shit about getting anything done other than getting elected and campaigning for the next election.

Worst of all are the masses who seem obvlivious to this, despite the fact that this is getting more and more obvious with every single election.

Democracy is way fucking overrated if you ask me...
 
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16. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 11:52 RollinThundr
 
InBlack wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 11:49:
RollinThundr wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 11:42:
Bard wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 11:18:
Don't fall for the Machiavellian 'divide and conquer' tactics that is the Repubs vs Democrats - that's just nonsense to distract.

With realtime monitoring of all our communications, the true masters of the US will be able to prevent further exposure of their crimes.

We're already seeing the citizenry becoming 'the enemy' - it's just going to get worse.

It isn't a left vs right thing on this one, its ideology. Actual conservatives are against things like the DHS, news flash most of the republicans in office? Aren't conservative.

The reason I mentioned liberals at all is they tend to not comment on stories like these, but god forbid they feel someone, or some special group got trampled on, it's the end of the world. Making government larger and giving them more control in any area is always going to be bad for the common man.

Erm, beurocracy = bad.

Well regulated control = good.

Why is regulation good? Because it protects the interests of the citizen, or it should in theory at least. A well regulated government can be a very powerful ally to a small insignificant citizen, a large bloated government with no self regulation in place can also be a great ally to corporate interests. Do you see the point Im trying to make here?

I do, and I don't actually totally disagree with you Black, sadly we don't have a well regulated government however, quite the opposite.
 
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15. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 11:49 InBlack
 
RollinThundr wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 11:42:
Bard wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 11:18:
Don't fall for the Machiavellian 'divide and conquer' tactics that is the Repubs vs Democrats - that's just nonsense to distract.

With realtime monitoring of all our communications, the true masters of the US will be able to prevent further exposure of their crimes.

We're already seeing the citizenry becoming 'the enemy' - it's just going to get worse.

It isn't a left vs right thing on this one, its ideology. Actual conservatives are against things like the DHS, news flash most of the republicans in office? Aren't conservative.

The reason I mentioned liberals at all is they tend to not comment on stories like these, but god forbid they feel someone, or some special group got trampled on, it's the end of the world. Making government larger and giving them more control in any area is always going to be bad for the common man.

Erm, beurocracy = bad.

Well regulated control = good.

Why is regulation good? Because it protects the interests of the citizen, or it should in theory at least. A well regulated government can be a very powerful ally to a small insignificant citizen, a large bloated government with no self regulation in place can also be a great ally to corporate interests. Do you see the point Im trying to make here?
 
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14. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 11:47 Tanto Edge
 
One of the comments from the article sums it up best for me :

Yes, they can start by getting the King of Nigeria to quit trying to give me money. Seriously, if they are going to take ONE look at my email they need to eradicate SPAM forever. Every FAKE lotto sharing, information hacking attempt is a FELONY and they do absolutely NOTHING. OH, they dont have the man power. They can see everything in real time anyway, let alone its all on the servers at your local internet service provider. NOTHING is PRIVATE. That would be a threat to national security. How about you start with every email in my inbox or spam thats pretends to be from Robert Mueler from the FBI. Hell, Ill even help you. How about a button on every email client for fraudulent activity, called report for phising or something...that should keep you busy...and how about viruses, the number one way computer data get made vulnerable. What a joke....
 
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13. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 11:44 InBlack
 
Bard wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 11:18:
Don't fall for the Machiavellian 'divide and conquer' tactics that is the Repubs vs Democrats - that's just nonsense to distract.

With realtime monitoring of all our communications, the true masters of the US will be able to prevent further exposure of their crimes.

We're already seeing the citizenry becoming 'the enemy' - it's just going to get worse.

I really dont see what the big deal is. The NSA is already combing an estimated 1 billion emails per day (both US and International). All that the FBI wants to do is legalize what the NSA has been doing illegaly for all this time...
 
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12. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 11:42 RollinThundr
 
Bard wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 11:18:
Don't fall for the Machiavellian 'divide and conquer' tactics that is the Repubs vs Democrats - that's just nonsense to distract.

With realtime monitoring of all our communications, the true masters of the US will be able to prevent further exposure of their crimes.

We're already seeing the citizenry becoming 'the enemy' - it's just going to get worse.

It isn't a left vs right thing on this one, its ideology. Actual conservatives are against things like the DHS, news flash most of the republicans in office? Aren't conservative.

The reason I mentioned liberals at all is they tend to not comment on stories like these, but god forbid they feel someone, or some special group got trampled on, it's the end of the world. Making government larger and giving them more control in any area is always going to be bad for the common man.
 
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11. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 11:38 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 11:28:
Instead of looking out the cockpit the pilot goes heads down and lands as he would in adverse weather

How's he going to see the instruments if the laser hit him in the eye?


Yup.

Wikipedia has a nice, long article about this, including some .gifs that simulate what happens when a green laser hits a cockpit. The .gifs were supplied by the FAA.

I think some people should possibly do some research, beginning there, before they make comments.
 
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10. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 11:28 nin
 
Instead of looking out the cockpit the pilot goes heads down and lands as he would in adverse weather

How's he going to see the instruments if the laser hit him in the eye?

 
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9. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 27, 2013, 11:22 Bard
 
Beamer wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 11:07:
RollinThundr wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 10:57:
ldonyo wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 10:53:
RollinThundr wrote on Mar 27, 2013, 10:11:
Funny how the libs here ignore posting on stories like these two. No the government isn't out of control and corrupt, no they're not taking measures to destroy privacy rights and turn the US into another nanny state not at all!

The FBI has been trying to get as much power as they can to watch everything imaginable for far longer than the current President's terms in office. But, that's okay, you keep those blinders on nice and tight and make sure you turn up the talk radio volume to drown out anything else you might otherwise hear.

No kidding, I didn't mention Obama did I or blame him for it? No? Ok then. That being said, thinking that giving government more control on anything, is generally a pretty fucking terrible idea.

You mentioned "libs," as if, you know, Homeland Security wasn't a Republican idea.

And no, I'm not blaming Republicans, because Democrats clearly support it. But you're the idiot making this partisan.


Why am I even responding?





And no, 30 months for something that can crash a damn 747 coming in for a landing isn't excessive. If you do something very dangerous you go to jail. "I didn't know it was illegal" isn't an excuse. And, like the Aaron Schwartz thing, it also shows how little people here understand about courts. He'll end up serving 12 months or so, most likely.

A laser isn't going to crash a 747 - that's bollocks. Instead of looking out the cockpit the pilot goes heads down and lands as he would in adverse weather - using the ILS. If anything it's a minor annoyance.

But hey, it's all about making money. This guy will make some privatized jail owner $100K or so in profit.
 
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