Mr. Tact wrote on Apr 2, 2013, 14:46:
Not a lot of movement on this in the last week... Down to 3 days on this Kickstarter but the upward swing at the end hasn't started yet. On Project Eternity it started up ticking 6 days from the end. Doesn't look like they'll surpass PE.

InBlack wrote on Mar 24, 2013, 04:58:
Like people have mentioned its about trust.

Optional Nickname! wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 17:21:
30% was overstated for effect. But 5% does not include other party fees associated with processing the pledges. And don't think Kickstarter doesn't out-source most of its 'work' to Amazon and 'the cloud'.

In total, the fixed fee percentages are not trivial, certainly not 30%. But it could very well be 30% at smaller amounts if it is a set fee plus a percentage per pledge.

My point was not to speculate on Kickstarter's exact take but to illuminate the fact that Kickstarter and Amazon are making a great deal of money with their single digit fees for relatively little 'work'. Does not Chris Avellone deserves as much for the very real work he will do, if you consider scriptwriting 'real work'?

To prevent confusion jacobybrandy, that question isn't personally directed at you. I think it was InBlack who was the OP.

Dev wrote on Mar 23, 2013, 04:18:
come on, they aren't going to just blow the money on hookers

Flatline wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 22:42:
So your 25 bucks entitles you to a complete financial breakdown of a company, plus a copy of the game?

Jesus next you're going to want to have developmental control over the project for your "investment".

If employees were getting scammed, I imagine we'd hear about it as projects finished or people quit.

And we're *still* talking about peanuts when it comes to funding game development. If someone raised 20 million and put out a game looking like Wasteland 2, yeah I'd cry shenanigans, but we're talking about a dozen or more people working for 18 months on 2-4 million bucks. There's not a lot of room for embezzlement and still turning out a decent looking product, which is what you're basically insinuating.

But I forgot, that's common sense. It's far more entertaining to imagine a 20 hour game being created on 250 grand and the rest being kept by a moustache-twirling villain.

Cutter wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 18:19:
Yeah, I'd like to know how everyone gets paid. Is it a pool with base salary then points on additional sales? Who's getting paid what? I'm starting to get really of leery of backing well known designers who are already rich(ish).

Cutter wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 18:19:
Yeah, I'd like to know how everyone gets paid. Is it a pool with base salary then points on additional sales? Who's getting paid what? I'm starting to get really of leery of backing well known designers who are already rich(ish).

Optional Nickname! wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 14:29:
I would be curious to know your position on Kickstarter's fee of up to say, 30%, of the entire Kickstarter total.

From where I stand, a million dollars for hosting a web page for a month or so...

Darks wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 12:05:

Kristian Joensen wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 11:21:

Darks wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 10:33:
Somehow, I seriously doubt that they will be using the funds from this game fully. When they sit here and defend that they we will be using the funds just for the game. That raises a red flag to me. And 700K to add Chris, I dont see it.

Are you high? There are several stretch goal in between the current funding level and the Chris Avellone stretch goal so they aren't spending even remotely near 700k on hiring Chris Avellone + a lot of the money is being spent on other things like art, animation, code, etc to go with his writing/design work.

So even the 150k between the prior stretch goal and the Chris Avellone stretch goal isn't Chris's fee. 150k USD more in pledges implies more Amazon and kickstarter fees and more used on rewards. So the budget of the game won't be increased by that full amount.

Excuse me for not believing you, but you sound like an advocate supporter or work for them. My feelings on Kick starters are there are no checks and balances on how they are using the money.

Just because someone puts up a KS page and says I need 1 Million to make this happen, does not mean that they are using all of that money to fund the project. It’s idiotic to even assume that they are using all of the money as they say they are.

Are you sure you are not one of their stretch goals?

netnerd85 wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 12:29:

Creston wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 11:48:

El Pit wrote on Mar 22, 2013, 11:27:
Next: id Software's Kickstarter for the next Quake game with only one goal: for just $1,000,000 John Carmack will be part of the development team. YAY!

Stretch goal: For 20 million, they promise not to use the shitty-ass Rage engine.

Creston

The RAGE engine is awesome, you just have NO taste.