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17. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 20, 2013, 02:08 Axis
 
Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 00:41:
Was that a proposition or an incorrect simplification of the "healthcare debate" supported by personal anecdotes?

Greatest health care system in the world? You're talking about the one that bankrupts you if you get sick right?

You go MSNBC!
 
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16. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 20, 2013, 00:41 Sepharo
 
Was that a proposition or an incorrect simplification of the "healthcare debate" supported by personal anecdotes?

Greatest health care system in the world? You're talking about the one that bankrupts you if you get sick right?
 
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15. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 20:58 Axis
 
TurdFergasun wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 20:38:
Axis wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 17:33:
Bodolza wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 15:27:
And it's a shame that so many American's don't realize that government IS the people.

Yes, and "For the People" is often replaced with "For Myself, For my political party, For my wallet, For special interests who keep me in power" and often end with "at all costs".

As a "people", you don't let your government run your life. Nothing good ever happens, ever.

so you propose to give control of everything to the powers that corrupted the government in the first place? great idea. I'm sure the multi nationals won't all collude in self interest at all, and a rosy future of pro consumer competition will be imminent. bring on the freedom!

I see you agree the government is corrupt, but you'll also see I proposed nothing.

My propositions would go something like this...

Me: "America has the greatest health care system in the world. There are problems, some minor, some major like everything in life, but undoubtedly worldly accepted this is the place you go when you are in dire need of health related problems."

Government: We need to completely change our healthcare system because we are not in control of it. Good thing our party is in power, lets slam this shit through!

Me: No. No fucking thank you I was in the Military and know first hand what "government health care" is like. I was in England and saw the fuckidity that National health care is. Unfortunately I cant force every American citizen to experience both, sure wish I could so they'd know why they should reject it like a motherfucker.

Government: Lets slam this shit through!

I'll glady say I fucking hate big pharma as much as the next guy, so take them out of the government, don't put the government in them.

Experience in life is 100% more effective at nailing down your opinions than what some jackass says over and over and over till you believe it.
 
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14. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 20:38 TurdFergasun
 
Axis wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 17:33:
Bodolza wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 15:27:
And it's a shame that so many American's don't realize that government IS the people.

Yes, and "For the People" is often replaced with "For Myself, For my political party, For my wallet, For special interests who keep me in power" and often end with "at all costs".

As a "people", you don't let your government run your life. Nothing good ever happens, ever.

so you propose to give control of everything to the powers that corrupted the government in the first place? great idea. I'm sure the multi nationals won't all collude in self interest at all, and a rosy future of pro consumer competition will be imminent. bring on the freedom!
 
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13. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 20:11 Axis
 
Obama is a liberal socialist through and through -- I'm aware it's easier to swallow if broken democratic policies are masked with the opposition flavor, but he's the purist form of a liberal. We could argue it, but it's so sickening obvious to those who don't bow down to him or their 'party' of choice (not saying you do, but a shitload of dolts out there sure do).

While there's truth to what you say about the legislative branch, the reason is because Obama wants to continue his "Do what I say cause I refuse to compromise" bullshit, and Americans will continue to elect officials who will stand up to that kind of garbage regardless of perception - also common throughout history.

I'm quite sick of both parties for many reasons quite different than common talking points. The Republicans are stuck in the 80's, have a serious identity crisis, are spineless way too often, and are unwilling to budge from complacency. Liberals have the most forked tongues in the history of politics, it's a daily barrage of lies, excuses, finger pointing and insults to the point of nausea.

I lean conservative in the libertarian view. Pot should be legal, abortions should be outlawed, government should keep its hands out more often than put them in - that pretty much the only subjects I'm absolutely unwavering on -- I don't judge based on "party", we're all somewhere in the middle at the end of the day if we're not bought and sold party elitists. Regardless of the past political climate, the USA was built on citizens and immigrants coming here to succeed for themselves, which in turn helped out country succeed in greater depth than any country in history. We're now a soft excuse-riddled nation that is embarrassed to admit faults or be proud of what we were, are, and could be.
 
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12. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 18:42 Flatline
 
Axis wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 13:04:
Bodolza wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 12:23:
ACLU vs. Obama administration. I can hear the sound of conservative heads exploding as they try to figure out which side to root for.

Its just a shame Obama and his cronies have their base so convinced that Government, and not the people, is the solution. And the more power citizens give these political creeps, republicans OR democrats, we lose.

*shrugs* Obama is a corporatist. Substantially there's not a huge amount of daylight between him and the GOP. He's continued on most of W's surveillance and wiretapping and information gathering from the post 9/11 hysteria period where all someone had to say was "TERRORISTS!" and we'd fork over our rights wholesale.

Every presidential administration has pushed for more unilateral, unsupervised authority, clear back to Lincoln with suspension of Habeas Corpus and probably even earlier if we're going to be frank about it. It's up to a robust, healthy legislature and judicial system to push back and balance against the unilateralism. For 10 years we were all on the "TERRORISTS!" fear wagon, and now the legislature is so fundamentally broken that it can't push back because it's totally paralyzed. The result being that the Executive branch almost *has* to act unilaterally, which is a terrible, terrible thing.

The legislative branch needs to get it's head out of it's ass and ironically not stonewall *everything* the president does. When he acts within his power limitations they should negotiate and compromise like they've always done, so that stonewalling actually *means* something when it happens.

There's a reason why Congress and the Senate are less popular than cancer.
 
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11. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 18:28 Ashley
 
Armengar wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 11:20:
Im assuming the casino compensated the high rollers as I thought poker match staked player money vs player money with the casino taking a percentage of buy in.

That's what it sounds like and it would make sense. It would destroy them to damage their rep with high rollers like that.

It's amazing that they caught them based on spotting 'advantage play' as is what was reported. I suspect there is a lot more to this story that may never be made public
 
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10. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 17:33 Axis
 
Bodolza wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 15:27:
And it's a shame that so many American's don't realize that government IS the people.

Yes, and "For the People" is often replaced with "For Myself, For my political party, For my wallet, For special interests who keep me in power" and often end with "at all costs".

As a "people", you don't let your government run your life. Nothing good ever happens, ever.
 
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9. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 15:34 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 11:55:
Beamer wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 11:30:
Creston wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 11:01:
Okay, wait... So the Supreme Court ruled on something, and now the Feds are taking it to an appeals court?? What? Since when can you take a SCOTUS ruling to an appeals court?

Creston

The SC case was a bit open-ended. They said that the government might need a warrant. They did not say the government always needed a warrant.

The government is now testing when "might" comes into play.

It wasn't a very clear or, uh, decisive decision. They didn't say "you can't do this," they said "you can't do this in this case, and you might not be able to do it in other cases."

So now we have lower courts clarifying what the SCOTUS actually meant? Great.

That's how courts work. That's how you WANT them to work. Lower courts spend a huge chunk of their time clarifying what higher courts meant. Higher courts often use vague words for that reason, or they use very specific words, as in they tie something specifically to that case.

I mean, what would courts do otherwise? There'd be no argument, because you'd know how the law applied. Instead there can be arguments about how laws apply, which leads to individual districts and states being able to adopt different variations.
 
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8. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 15:27 Bodolza
 
And it's a shame that so many American's don't realize that government IS the people.  
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7. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 13:04 Axis
 
Bodolza wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 12:23:
ACLU vs. Obama administration. I can hear the sound of conservative heads exploding as they try to figure out which side to root for.

Its just a shame Obama and his cronies have their base so convinced that Government, and not the people, is the solution. And the more power citizens give these political creeps, republicans OR democrats, we lose.
 
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6. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 12:23 Bodolza
 
ACLU vs. Obama administration. I can hear the sound of conservative heads exploding as they try to figure out which side to root for.  
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5. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 11:55 Creston
 
Beamer wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 11:30:
Creston wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 11:01:
Okay, wait... So the Supreme Court ruled on something, and now the Feds are taking it to an appeals court?? What? Since when can you take a SCOTUS ruling to an appeals court?

Creston

The SC case was a bit open-ended. They said that the government might need a warrant. They did not say the government always needed a warrant.

The government is now testing when "might" comes into play.

It wasn't a very clear or, uh, decisive decision. They didn't say "you can't do this," they said "you can't do this in this case, and you might not be able to do it in other cases."

So now we have lower courts clarifying what the SCOTUS actually meant? Great. I'm glad to see the government is doing its fucking best to stop wasting money.

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4. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 11:49 PHJF
 
The President Barack Obama administration is claiming that authorities do not need court warrants to affix GPS devices to vehicles to monitor their every move.

That is way over the line.
 
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3. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 11:30 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 11:01:
Okay, wait... So the Supreme Court ruled on something, and now the Feds are taking it to an appeals court?? What? Since when can you take a SCOTUS ruling to an appeals court?

Creston

The SC case was a bit open-ended. They said that the government might need a warrant. They did not say the government always needed a warrant.

The government is now testing when "might" comes into play.

It wasn't a very clear or, uh, decisive decision. They didn't say "you can't do this," they said "you can't do this in this case, and you might not be able to do it in other cases."
 
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2. Re: Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 11:20 Armengar
 
Im assuming the casino compensated the high rollers as I thought poker match staked player money vs player money with the casino taking a percentage of buy in.  
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1. Feds and warrants Mar 19, 2013, 11:01 Creston
 
Okay, wait... So the Supreme Court ruled on something, and now the Feds are taking it to an appeals court?? What? Since when can you take a SCOTUS ruling to an appeals court?

Creston
 
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