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20. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 20:43 Kythlyn
 
Eirikrautha wrote on Mar 15, 2013, 20:23:
No offense intended (and I don't mean this personally), but your stated rationale for your review is abominable. Honestly, to say that "... I wrote 3000 words about the game itself, and increasing the size of the review for the sake of bug reports that would become inaccurate in a matter of days didn't seem like the right decision to make at the time..." is laughable. When I read a review, it is usually the prelude to buying the game. And if I buy a game based on your review, only to find out that the game I'm playing doesn't reflect the review you wrote (because you are trying to "future proof" your review), then I am going to lose all faith in your reviews and the site as a whole.

In fact, the most damning critique of this review is contained within your own words. If you wrote 3000 words about the game, I would expect those words to be roughly divided based on the percentage of the game that is described by them. Considering the serious bugs and broken systems, to spend a measly paragraph on the issues, with the rationale that you hope EA will fix them soon, is kind of embarrassing.

Once again, I don't want you to think that I am attacking you personally. I appreciate your courage in addressing the criticism here on BN. I just think your reasoning for your review is dangerously flawed. And I think using "faith" in a developer (especially when that developer has already failed to live up to its obligations pre-release) as a justification for reviewing a game that presently does NOT exist (at least as you describe it) is not good journalistic practice...

Just to clarify, while I do have faith that the game will be improved in the future, that had NO affect on the final score I gave to the game. That score was based on my experience playing the game, and how much I enjoyed it (believe it or not) once the servers stabilized. I found the game to have issues, but I do not consider the game "broken" as many people describe it.

Also, I did write plenty about my negative experiences with the game during launch week (especially in the introduction and conclusion of the review), and also provided a link to a frequently updated news article that was kept up to date with those issues. I hope to keep my review process as clear and open as possible, and I certainly don't mean to mislead readers in any way.

That being said, I understand why you guys think I didn't cover enough of the bugs in the review, and I'll keep that in mind for future articles. I really do appreciate all of your feedback, even the negative.
 
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19. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 20:23 Eirikrautha
 
Kythlyn wrote on Mar 15, 2013, 13:57:
Hi everyone, I'm the writer of the SimCity review on Gamer Horizon. For the record, I really did enjoy the game and did not receive a copy from EA.

For the review, I had to make a decision for how much detail to go into regarding bugs. I wrote 3000 words about the game itself, and increasing the size of the review for the sake of bug reports that would become inaccurate in a matter of days didn't seem like the right decision to make at the time. In fact, had I wrote down every bug, it would have only been a day before my review would have become obsolete as a result of SimCity Update 8 (www.simcity.com/en_US/blog/article/simcity-update-8).

eRe4s3r wrote on Mar 15, 2013, 13:41:
I mean.. R:C:I is BROKEN.. that is a MAJOR issue. No?

I felt at first like RCI was broken too (I always had maxed out residential and industrial demand), but when I slowed down and kept a closer eye on the information in the population panel, I found that it worked just fine. I was able to very carefully adjust the balance of my zones and wealth levels. That was actually part of what got me hooked on the game.

Anyway, I know opinions on this SimCity game vary widely, and that EA/Maxis have a lot of work to do on improving it. Personally, I still really enjoyed the game. But I appreciate everyone's feedback!

No offense intended (and I don't mean this personally), but your stated rationale for your review is abominable. Honestly, to say that "... I wrote 3000 words about the game itself, and increasing the size of the review for the sake of bug reports that would become inaccurate in a matter of days didn't seem like the right decision to make at the time..." is laughable. When I read a review, it is usually the prelude to buying the game. And if I buy a game based on your review, only to find out that the game I'm playing doesn't reflect the review you wrote (because you are trying to "future proof" your review), then I am going to lose all faith in your reviews and the site as a whole.

In fact, the most damning critique of this review is contained within your own words. If you wrote 3000 words about the game, I would expect those words to be roughly divided based on the percentage of the game that is described by them. Considering the serious bugs and broken systems, to spend a measly paragraph on the issues, with the rationale that you hope EA will fix them soon, is kind of embarrassing.

Once again, I don't want you to think that I am attacking you personally. I appreciate your courage in addressing the criticism here on BN. I just think your reasoning for your review is dangerously flawed. And I think using "faith" in a developer (especially when that developer has already failed to live up to its obligations pre-release) as a justification for reviewing a game that presently does NOT exist (at least as you describe it) is not good journalistic practice...
 
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18. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 19:03 Kythlyn
 
Julio wrote on Mar 15, 2013, 17:41:
Really, 8 out of 10 from Gamer Horizon? For a game that has been unplayable? Never heard of the site before, and clearly no need to visit again.

I suppose every game that works gets an automatic 10/10. Looking quickly at a number of reviews it seems out of ten recent games, all but one got an 8/9 out of 10.

If SimCity was still unplayable (like it was during launch week), there's no way it would have received an 8. I was able to play the game consistently and without interruption once the servers stabilized.

As for the number of high scores, well, there have been a lot of good games recently. We're not going to just arbitrarily hand out lower scores just because our scores are trending high. Also, of the 10 most recent reviews, there were actually two scores lower than 8. A 6 and a 2. Aliens: Colonial Marines... yikes.
 
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17. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 17:41 Julio
 
Really, 8 out of 10 from Gamer Horizon? For a game that has been unplayable? Never heard of the site before, and clearly no need to visit again.

I suppose every game that works gets an automatic 10/10. Looking quickly at a number of reviews it seems out of ten recent games, all but one got an 8/9 out of 10.
 
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16. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 14:27 Quboid
 
I like SimCity too, but as it's not a simulation and you don't build a city, I find it hard to consider it any more a true SimCity than SimCity Societies.

Using the un-fudged population numbers (from that modding SimCity for beginners guide on Reddit), the faux-sim works better. You have a reasonable number of workers for your population, in fact perhaps a little too many but the ratios make sense. Of course, you're doing well to get over 15K which ain't a city in anyone's book.

This has enabled me to focus on what's really going on. I was wondering why my city had so few workers, now that I know why I can work on getting the right balance of shop wealth for my population wealth, and such like. At this point, the faux sim works reasonably well.

I just bought Anno 2070 so I think I'll be putting SimSeveralSmallTowns on the back-burner now, hopefully it will be patched up into something approaching a simulation.
 
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15. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 14:09 eRe4s3r
 
With R:C:I broken I mean literally that the only thing you need to build a working 200k+ population city is low wealth parks, basic utilities and houses. (well, and streets, obviously ,p)

That is, imo of course, one of the highest major'ish mess ups ever. That's like taking the Sim City out of SimCity...

Anyhow, I appreciate reviews that are brutally honest. But your review was only really my outlet to rant about how disappointed *I* am with Sim City. Since I promised I will post my opinion on it here once it's settled. Well it is settled, in my oppinion, it is a 6/10 game. With major simulation flaws. And no longer the soul of Sim City.

Again, please remember that nothing I write is meant as an personal insult. I am just... very unhappy with the game and me, for buying it.

Actually, to top and end this chapter in my gaming life, I point you to the relevant topics...

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/9362695.page
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/9368950.page

And this gem (from the 2nd forum link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akh4zZ7lr4Q
 
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14. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 13:57 Kythlyn
 
Hi everyone, I'm the writer of the SimCity review on Gamer Horizon. For the record, I really did enjoy the game and did not receive a copy from EA.

For the review, I had to make a decision for how much detail to go into regarding bugs. I wrote 3000 words about the game itself, and increasing the size of the review for the sake of bug reports that would become inaccurate in a matter of days didn't seem like the right decision to make at the time. In fact, had I wrote down every bug, it would have only been a day before my review would have become obsolete as a result of SimCity Update 8 (www.simcity.com/en_US/blog/article/simcity-update-8).

eRe4s3r wrote on Mar 15, 2013, 13:41:
I mean.. R:C:I is BROKEN.. that is a MAJOR issue. No?

I felt at first like RCI was broken too (I always had maxed out residential and industrial demand), but when I slowed down and kept a closer eye on the information in the population panel, I found that it worked just fine. I was able to very carefully adjust the balance of my zones and wealth levels. That was actually part of what got me hooked on the game.

Anyway, I know opinions on this SimCity game vary widely, and that EA/Maxis have a lot of work to do on improving it. Personally, I still really enjoyed the game. But I appreciate everyone's feedback!
 
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13. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 13:56 eRe4s3r
 
You can "set" any speed you want. But if you pay attention, you will that notice Speed 2 (2 full and empty arrow) and Speed 3 (full arrows) are identical. Unless they literally fixed that in the time it took me exit sim city and take time to type some posts here.

Needless to say, the highest speed in the beta was 5 times faster than what we got now. I played Beta 2.
 
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12. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 13:51 SpectralMeat
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Mar 15, 2013, 13:41:
And the game currently has no 3rd speed, which means the game speed is 5 times slower than it should be. That is a pretty dang major issue.
I wonder if that is a function disabled on the server side. On the server I am playing on I can use all 3 speeds available.
 
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11. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 13:41 eRe4s3r
 
EternityInBlack wrote on Mar 15, 2013, 13:26:

On an aside, I at LEAST hope you guys liked my Tomb Raider review ^^;;

I did at least, but that is really why I am stumped as to an 8 out of 10 for Sim City. As I detailed or ranted, sorry about that, reviewers are journalistic entities. They review facts, not wishes. They review reality, not what could be, or what might be. If you write about a online game, you write about it when you review it, and that's it. Whether you update it later or not is your M O , it is not for us to dictate you what you do.

But this Sim City review is a joke, Casino cities are BUGGED for example, might wanna mention that in a review that has a whole paragraph about it... (even if it isn't written by you, with you I mean "you reviewers" not you personally)

I could list you about a dozen issues with the game each crippling specific elements of the game. A reviewers task is to mention these, at least in 1 paragraph. And yeah, I am a huge City Builder, economy sim fan. So when a game's previews and reality are so drastically apart, then that is imo something a review has to mention too. Reviews don't exist outside of hype. But they should cut through it, reveal truth.

If you read that Sim City review, you would think the game has no major issues.

All it says, and I quote (fair use)

Unfortunately, there are also a variety of bugs prevalent throughout SimCity. These are being addressed and I have no doubt that the majority of them will be fixed in upcoming patches, but for the time being, they are far too numerous to be ignored.

Yeah... doesn't need much more comment? I mean.. R:C:I is BROKEN.. that is a MAJOR issue. No?

And what about when you RAZE your entire city, the entire city becomes corrupt (no new sims move in, utilities don't work... Not an issue worth mentioning? What about grid-lock caused by Arcologies which kills cities? Not an issue worth mentioning? Those are game breaking things, not just taste things like I might even agree the way R:C:I is handled might be...

And the game currently has no 3rd speed, which means the game speed is 5 times slower than it should be. That is a pretty dang major issue.

Or what about no way to restart a city in a region. If you go bankrupt, you can delete the entire region and restart. No Undo function, regional trade broken. Global trade disabled...

A review needs to mention that. Whether these issues are temporary or not. When a review starts to review something other than reality then that stumps me.

Anyhow.. I am hugely disappointed with this game... just had to get that out of me. Now I will shut up and never again talk about this.. .. this... abomination.

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10. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 13:26 EternityInBlack
 
As the EIC of Gamer Horizon and a regular viewer here, I can tell you the decision was made to review the game as what it has feature-wise, aside from server issues it's experiencing. We tried to give EA the benefit of the doubt by delaying the writing of our review by a week or so but, of course, the game is still borked. Now, I'm not the one who reviewed it so I can't elaborate on this, but I can tell you the discussions we've had as to why we reviewed the game in this manner.

Games are moving to a more service oriented business... and that, in itself, is a scary thought to us. With Destiny being announced, Diablo III being online all the time, and a lot more games having persistent online connectivity, this question had to be asked:

Do we want to review the game "as is" and rate it based off of a current issue that might not even apply in the future?

OR

Do we review the game in its current state, then... MAYBE... update the review later?

I can tell you that doing the follow-up on the latter takes a lot more time from us covering upcoming games and focusing on our current assignments than what one would be led to believe. It also becomes a question of whether or not we should update reviews based on patches issued by the publisher that fixes things in any game.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying what EA did was right. I mean, what was the use of doing those "beta weekends" if they couldn't stress test server loads properly? Back when I still actively looked forward to EA products, I was one of those people who got suckered into getting Spore only to have it fail activation multiple times and was forced to actually buy a second and third copy of that game.

We've tried to be as transparent with the way we've reviewed games and I suppose we missed the little detail that we never got a review copy from EA and this was all out of pocket from our reviewer.

With that said, I am wondering what you guys would prefer... rating a game in its current state, or actually reviewing the game outside of its current state and rating its feature-set? I hope that I can create a discussion more along these lines rather than saying who's wrong and who's right, because nothing good comes out of those discussions typically.

On an aside, I at LEAST hope you guys liked my Tomb Raider review ^^;;
 
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9. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 13:05 eRe4s3r
 
Verno wrote on Mar 15, 2013, 12:54:
Yeah fair points man, you're right that's likely too. I keep forgetting a lot of casual folks run sites these days or maybe this is their first SimCity game or etc.

You know, I find the concept of "casual reviews" to be abhorrent. If you do a review, then that is not casual, that is a journalistic thing or at least should be, you don't need review copies to review games. And then it makes no difference if its your first sim city or your 6th. If you find issues, you mention them, otherwise it isn't a review.... casual or not.

That's like casual fire fighters, they drive there, but they don't put out fires! Just what we needed in this fucked up review environment where every 2nd review is essentially shit written by PR drones.

There's few things that could rile me up more than even ALLUDING to casual reviews. If you do something properly, you are not doing it casually!


And yeah, sorry for my temper there..

Of course, I know what you meant.. but still. please let me believe however wrong it is that most reviewers take their job serious! For a little while longer at least...
 
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8. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 13:01 eRe4s3r
 
uh I bought it, played it for 40hrs and even defended its online req here, and believe me, the game is a disaster. Any review not mentioning the traffic, utilities, and R:C:I problem has NOT played this game with their brain on (not to mention the city size, which is even smaller than we thought, because the terrain is not perfectly flat always, and if it isn't you are essentially trying to fit a square thing through a round hole.) If someone says he has played the game and rates it an 8/10 (and 66 hours playtime) then he was not paying attention, which makes the reviewer suck at his job.

And a 8 out of 10 with the way cities work in this game is absurd. There is absolutely no challenge to this thing (it's not a game), a blind folded monkey with 1 arm could succeed at building a sim-village.

The great works especially, the WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME are so craptastically solved that you think they were put in the last day of code-lock. They are completely crap, look crap undetailed, low resolution'ish and have no real benefit or payback or even reward to build. The Arcology especially is called the "City Killer" because it will kill all traffic on your cities required "highway" .... and especially the large 16 region maps are LIES. they are 4x4 region maps.

Then there is the fact that R:C:I is completely broken. You can build cities just with parks and houses, (and power/water/waste) and that's it. Fast forward 3 hours, map is full, city build itself, essentially. And that's it.

I read all reviews simply to see whether reviews mention the 3 big issues of this game (these 2 reviews did not) which means they are not mentioning primary game-play problems. And tell me, what is the point of a review when they don't mention these issues?

Even if you like a game, if you hide issues that have everyone on the sim city forums go up walls then you are actively lying , and not actively reviewing.

Grmpf, so yeah.. you guys were right. Sim ciy sucks, but not because of Online Only. It is dumbed down fast food. Made for 4 year olds, who are the only ones finding any kind of challenge in this. Sad....
 
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7. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 12:54 Verno
 
Yeah fair points man, you're right that's likely too. I keep forgetting a lot of casual folks run sites these days or maybe this is their first SimCity game or etc.  
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6. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 12:41 PropheT
 
Verno wrote on Mar 15, 2013, 11:38:
Many small sites have to take the publisher line otherwise they risk losing all access and potential ad revenue in the future. Not saying it's ok but I get it.

Also there is the possibility that they just disagree with others, however remote

I think it's more likely that they actually liked the game. Reviews coming out at this point are by sites that weren't provided review copies in the first place, something smaller sites don't often get.

It really hasn't gotten bad reviews, even from people who have just been playing it, just a lot of bad press for the online-only component causing so many problems. To be fair, I haven't played it, but it's not universally reviled aside from the connectivity issues.

EA buys review scores from some larger places, I don't doubt that. The idea that every good review score is bought, though, or that only the reviews that reinforce a negative opinion on the game are accurate...not sure what to say about that, other than to wonder why someone would even bother with a review when their mind is already made up.
 
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5. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 11:41 shinchan0s
 
Eurogamer UK and Gamespot (yeah, yeah) are the only major pubs I trust. Their SimCity reviews have further validated that trust.  
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4. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 11:38 Verno
 
Many small sites have to take the publisher line otherwise they risk losing all access and potential ad revenue in the future. Not saying it's ok but I get it.

Also there is the possibility that they just disagree with others, however remote
 
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3. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 11:05 InBlack
 
MoonSpook wrote on Mar 15, 2013, 09:51:
There's a seemingly more accurate review on Eurogamer: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-15-simcity-review

Kudos to Eurogamer for an honest review, thats a pretty major review site too so double Kudos to them for not taking the cash.
 
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2. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 09:51 MoonSpook
 
There's a seemingly more accurate review on Eurogamer: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-15-simcity-review  
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1. Re: Game Reviews Mar 15, 2013, 09:41 eRe4s3r
 
Gamer Horizon and Hardware Heaven
... good to know what reviewers are bought by EA
 
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