nin wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 21:53:

KTR wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 20:52:

nin wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 20:22:

Also, keep an eye on the new official TA sequel.

When you say "official" are their actual devs from the TA working on it? I didn't follow the KS closely...

Yes. A lot of key members of TA and Supcom are working on PA.

Huh, thank you both! I'll have to grab it when it's out...I see preorders are up, but they're a little steep.

KTR wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 20:52:

nin wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 20:22:

Also, keep an eye on the new official TA sequel.

When you say "official" are their actual devs from the TA working on it? I didn't follow the KS closely...

Yes. A lot of key members of TA and Supcom are working on PA.

Krizzen wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 20:03:

edaciousx wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 15:22:
prefer macro? Sounds like total annihilation/supreme commander is up your alley.

This is exactly what I was going to say! Starcraft is great to satisfy that fast, well-balanced gameplay. It just leaves the fun stuff, like Battlecruisers, to the last minute or two of combat.

TA has been one of my favorite games ever since I got 64MB of RAM to run maps larger than 16x16

For a modern game of classic TA (but slightly modded to perfection), check out Spring RTS. Download the free engine, and get Balanced TA for it. It's epicly fun. You can turtle in this game like no other!

Also, keep an eye on the new official TA sequel. I'm sure these guys will deliver.

nin wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 20:22:

Also, keep an eye on the new official TA sequel.

When you say "official" are their actual devs from the TA working on it? I didn't follow the KS closely...

Also, keep an eye on the new official TA sequel.

edaciousx wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 15:22:
prefer macro? Sounds like total annihilation/supreme commander is up your alley.

Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 13:18:

SpectralMeat wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 12:43:
So I was trying to see what this expansion pack costs, I have to log into my Blizzard account for that. Since I have not played SC2 for a long time I forgot my password. Resetting password, got the e-mail with the confirmation link. Click on the link everything is fine, try to log in again with the new pw, Blizzard locked my account for suspicious activity.
I never though checking a price on something is going to be this fucking difficult.

The game is $39.99USD in the US. Not sure about the rest of the world though.

I played through the first mission before going into work this morning, and definitely liked what I saw. Nothing much is going on at work today -- mostly today I'm just a warm body so that management can say that someone is on duty if anything happens -- so I'm trying to get SC2 up and running in WINE on my Linux laptop.

RollinThundr wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 17:55:

Darks wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 16:33:

AngelicPenguin wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 15:15:

RollinThundr wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 15:09:

AngelicPenguin wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 15:05:

RollinThundr wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 14:31:

Fati wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 14:24:

RollinThundr wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 13:20:
There's a difference between sending a scout or 2, and sending 15 starter troops all aimed directly at your resource gatherers. Sure sometimes I micro quick enough to counter it, but every game is just about the same unless playing with friends. It's the mentality of SC players apparently that every game needs to hurry up and end. At least that's been my experience with SC2.

I don't think RTS is for you. You need to learn how to defend early pressure. Once you realize that the players who pressure early put themselves at a significant economic disadvantage, you'll see that all you need to do is successfully defend, counter-attack and it's gg.

Right, but what if I want to enjoy the game I paid for? What if I'd like to go up the tech tree and not have the game end in 10 minutes? I can do this just fine in every other RTS that is MP. Blizzard titles? Hell you're lucky if you don't have shit in your base 2 and a half minutes in.

I always thought the same thing about the NBA. I want my team to play methodical defense and push the shot clock to the limit, so I think they should ban fast breaks and teams that like to run.

Who said anything about banning playstyles? holy strawman batman.

How can I strawman talking about myself? Nothing fast should happen in the NBA darn it!

edit: I'm just messing with you, but it does sound like competitive RTS isn't really your thing. Most RTS games have some sort of early game rush - in fact I can't think of a single one that didn't.

This is the main problem I have with this game. Blizzard purposely designed this game so matches only last 20 mins. They purposely give you limited resources and force you to expand. They also made defense practically useless. Most of the time when being rushed, your defense fall faster than units. Most defenses felt like they were made of paper. They get ripped through so fast.

This is what turned me off about SC and why I will never go back to it.

Blizzards track record recently is 0 - 2

Thanks Dark, that's pretty much my point. Even if you're half way decent at micro managing, half the time it doesn't matter because 2 mins in you have 60 zerglings tearing you a new asshole. Some people may call that fun. Me I just find it fucking tedious.

Jivaro wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 18:44:
As some have alluded to already my problem with the game is what it has evolved into...a 15-20 minutes click fest. That click fest might very well demand a certain amount of strategy and skill but that kind of chaotic and hectic pacing is just not my idea of fun and why I skipped the sequel initially and the gameplay videos of this expansion do nothing to make me change my mind.

RollinThundr wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 17:55:
Thanks Dark, that's pretty much my point. Even if you're half way decent at micro managing, half the time it doesn't matter because 2 mins in you have 60 zerglings tearing you a new asshole. Some people may call that fun. Me I just find it fucking tedious.

edaciousx wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 18:08:
You guys are pretty amazing. QQing that you get owned within 10 minutes of the game... I was ranked high in SC2 and if the game is not good at high level of play then it's even worse at lower level of play. Look at company of heroes 1, the allied forces get creamed all the time when going up against the germans. If you want to play an unbalanced game play COH. Awesome awesome game but insanely unbalanced. At high levels of play the balancing becomes an even greater issue, that's why blizzard focuses so much on the high level players.

Darks wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 16:33:

AngelicPenguin wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 15:15:

RollinThundr wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 15:09:

AngelicPenguin wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 15:05:

RollinThundr wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 14:31:

Fati wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 14:24:

RollinThundr wrote on Mar 12, 2013, 13:20:
There's a difference between sending a scout or 2, and sending 15 starter troops all aimed directly at your resource gatherers. Sure sometimes I micro quick enough to counter it, but every game is just about the same unless playing with friends. It's the mentality of SC players apparently that every game needs to hurry up and end. At least that's been my experience with SC2.

I don't think RTS is for you. You need to learn how to defend early pressure. Once you realize that the players who pressure early put themselves at a significant economic disadvantage, you'll see that all you need to do is successfully defend, counter-attack and it's gg.

Right, but what if I want to enjoy the game I paid for? What if I'd like to go up the tech tree and not have the game end in 10 minutes? I can do this just fine in every other RTS that is MP. Blizzard titles? Hell you're lucky if you don't have shit in your base 2 and a half minutes in.

I always thought the same thing about the NBA. I want my team to play methodical defense and push the shot clock to the limit, so I think they should ban fast breaks and teams that like to run.

Who said anything about banning playstyles? holy strawman batman.

How can I strawman talking about myself? Nothing fast should happen in the NBA darn it!

edit: I'm just messing with you, but it does sound like competitive RTS isn't really your thing. Most RTS games have some sort of early game rush - in fact I can't think of a single one that didn't.

This is the main problem I have with this game. Blizzard purposely designed this game so matches only last 20 mins. They purposely give you limited resources and force you to expand. They also made defense practically useless. Most of the time when being rushed, your defense fall faster than units. Most defenses felt like they were made of paper. They get ripped through so fast.

This is what turned me off about SC and why I will never go back to it.

Blizzards track record recently is 0 - 2