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28. Re: Morning Safety Dance Feb 22, 2013, 09:58 Porn-O-Matic
 
I'm a solidly grounded conservative, but not so much that I don't recognize an idiot among us. Glenn Beck is a loose cannon and a collosal idiot. If there's any "desensitizing to right and wrong" going on, it's not the fault of video games... it's the fault of parents who aren't teaching their children to know the difference. There's nothing "medical" about it.  
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27. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 22, 2013, 09:13 Verno
 
jdreyer wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 14:57:
Verno wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 10:40:

That's not how the Republican party as a whole is, pretty wide generalization there. It has good and bad apples just like the Democrats. Let's not pretend the Republican party is the only one with some baggage here, there are plenty of left leaning groups I would consider to be on Becks/Tea Party level of idiocy. I'm a pretty moderate Republican and I think Beck is a crazy moron, the trouble is the media keeps giving him an outlet and the audience that comes with it.

Actually, no. "Both sides do it," is false equivalency. The Dems are your garden-variety corrupted party. The Repubs are a radical extreme party pushing agendas that the vast majority of Americans disagree with. There may be liberal groups that are batshit crazy, but they are the fringe and irrelevant. Beck/Tea Party are the mainstream of the party and control it. Even more moderate Republicans parrot Tea Party rhetoric to avoid being primaried from the right.

Actually yes. First of all I don't grant your premise that there is "false equivalency" going on here. Most Republicans are moderate, not extremists. Acting like Beck and the Tea Party drive the Republican party is akin to claiming that Piers Morgan accurately represents Liberal views. The Republican Party has sound ideals and a long history, I wouldn't be a member if it was inherently exclusionist like you're claiming. The idea that the Liberals are just a bit corrupted but otherwise fine is laughable, I could write pages about the issues going on in that party.

But yes, the Tea Party is a leech that we need to expel as it is dragging down the whole party and gives voice to the kind of fringe views and bigotry that does not belong in our society (or at least don't deserve a legitimate platform).
 
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26. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 22, 2013, 08:46 InBlack
 
This is why the two party system is downright stupid. How can you accurately represent your entire population with two parties? How the fuck?  
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25. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 22, 2013, 01:16 RollinThundr
 
Cutter wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 19:38:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 14:57:
Verno wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 10:40:

That's not how the Republican party as a whole is, pretty wide generalization there. It has good and bad apples just like the Democrats. Let's not pretend the Republican party is the only one with some baggage here, there are plenty of left leaning groups I would consider to be on Becks/Tea Party level of idiocy. I'm a pretty moderate Republican and I think Beck is a crazy moron, the trouble is the media keeps giving him an outlet and the audience that comes with it.

Actually, no. "Both sides do it," is false equivalency. The Dems are your garden-variety corrupted party. The Repubs are a radical extreme party pushing agendas that the vast majority of Americans disagree with. There may be liberal groups that are batshit crazy, but they are the fringe and irrelevant. Beck/Tea Party are the mainstream of the party and control it. Even more moderate Republicans parrot Tea Party rhetoric to avoid being primaried from the right.



This is true. Christ, look at the last election where you had two GOP guys running for congress who made those comments about rape. And the civilized first world - not just the US - all went "What?!" That was fucking mind boggling!

The Democrats are the party of inclusion - sometimes too much so - and as a lefty-centrist even I shake my head sometimes. However, the GOP are the staunch opposite of that - but not when it comes to farming out domestic jobs or importing cheap labour. Not that the Dems fully oppose it either but at least they insist on things like a living wage - versus minimum wage - universal healthcare, and all the other requisite governmental controls that make life better for working people in general.

This is the disconnect that the hardliner rank and file on the right don't get. Push for a civilized work week, no child labour, overtime, vacations, food and drug standards, etc. etc. etc. this has always been the purview of the left and bitterly opposed by the right. Hell, only until the last 20 or so years even most honest Republicans would admit that the economy does better under the democrats - because it does, and that unchecked laissez-faire capitalism is a danger to any economy. That's one thing I give Bush senior, even though a lot of it was politically motivated he - and the last stock of old school GOP at the time - opposed the industry bailouts that private enterprise was crying for at the time.

The Democrats aren't angels - and they're not really true Democrats anymore then we see true Republicans anymore - yet they're still the lesser of the two evils. Anyway, you guys need to find third - and fourth and fifth - party alternatives where possible. I've actually been listening to a lot of what Jesse Ventura has been talking about over the past year or two and if I was a US citizen I'd be backing him right now.

I have zero love for Glen Beck, he's in it for the money and nothing more and it's so obvious to anyone with half a brain cell.

That being said, living wages and 30 hour work weeks are great until they bankrupt your country. I think the majority in the US would push for smaller government. Not to have them even more in your face telling you what to do and how to do it. If you're going to do socialized health care, do it right, don't do it in a way that's going to actually cost more money for everyone, and offer an opt out for those that are plenty happy with the insurance they currently have.

The problem with politicians on the whole is they all lie, they all love to spend and they all point fingers at each other while doing it together. But I disagree in calling dems lesser of the two. Especially with this administration, because all we've heard for the past 5 years is one spoon fed lie after another while this corrupt jackass goes on about sacrifice while he's out playing golf in Hawaii instead of creating all those shovel ready jobs he said he'd create. Among the rest of the long list of bullshit and executive orders he's rammed through with his agenda.

 
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24. Re: Morning Safety Dance Feb 21, 2013, 21:52 Prez
 
Asmo wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 17:44:
Glen Beck is a troll and the internet keeps falling for it...

This.
 
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23. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 21, 2013, 19:38 Cutter
 
jdreyer wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 14:57:
Verno wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 10:40:

That's not how the Republican party as a whole is, pretty wide generalization there. It has good and bad apples just like the Democrats. Let's not pretend the Republican party is the only one with some baggage here, there are plenty of left leaning groups I would consider to be on Becks/Tea Party level of idiocy. I'm a pretty moderate Republican and I think Beck is a crazy moron, the trouble is the media keeps giving him an outlet and the audience that comes with it.

Actually, no. "Both sides do it," is false equivalency. The Dems are your garden-variety corrupted party. The Repubs are a radical extreme party pushing agendas that the vast majority of Americans disagree with. There may be liberal groups that are batshit crazy, but they are the fringe and irrelevant. Beck/Tea Party are the mainstream of the party and control it. Even more moderate Republicans parrot Tea Party rhetoric to avoid being primaried from the right.



This is true. Christ, look at the last election where you had two GOP guys running for congress who made those comments about rape. And the civilized first world - not just the US - all went "What?!" That was fucking mind boggling!

The Democrats are the party of inclusion - sometimes too much so - and as a lefty-centrist even I shake my head sometimes. However, the GOP are the staunch opposite of that - but not when it comes to farming out domestic jobs or importing cheap labour. Not that the Dems fully oppose it either but at least they insist on things like a living wage - versus minimum wage - universal healthcare, and all the other requisite governmental controls that make life better for working people in general.

This is the disconnect that the hardliner rank and file on the right don't get. Push for a civilized work week, no child labour, overtime, vacations, food and drug standards, etc. etc. etc. this has always been the purview of the left and bitterly opposed by the right. Hell, only until the last 20 or so years even most honest Republicans would admit that the economy does better under the democrats - because it does, and that unchecked laissez-faire capitalism is a danger to any economy. That's one thing I give Bush senior, even though a lot of it was politically motivated he - and the last stock of old school GOP at the time - opposed the industry bailouts that private enterprise was crying for at the time.

The Democrats aren't angels - and they're not really true Democrats anymore then we see true Republicans anymore - yet they're still the lesser of the two evils. Anyway, you guys need to find third - and fourth and fifth - party alternatives where possible. I've actually been listening to a lot of what Jesse Ventura has been talking about over the past year or two and if I was a US citizen I'd be backing him right now.
 
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22. Re: Morning Safety Dance Feb 21, 2013, 17:44 Asmo
 
Glen Beck is a troll and the internet keeps falling for it...  
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21. Re: Morning Safety Dance Feb 21, 2013, 16:08 KS
 
Mass killings are not increasing in decades since before video games, in either number or severity.

Curiously, unlike other crime, it is also not dependent on economic conditions, remaining consistent in good times and bad.

So Beck is wrong, as are commentators on both sides that we are seeing some surge in incidents.
 
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20. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 21, 2013, 14:57 jdreyer
 
Verno wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 10:40:

That's not how the Republican party as a whole is, pretty wide generalization there. It has good and bad apples just like the Democrats. Let's not pretend the Republican party is the only one with some baggage here, there are plenty of left leaning groups I would consider to be on Becks/Tea Party level of idiocy. I'm a pretty moderate Republican and I think Beck is a crazy moron, the trouble is the media keeps giving him an outlet and the audience that comes with it.

Actually, no. "Both sides do it," is false equivalency. The Dems are your garden-variety corrupted party. The Repubs are a radical extreme party pushing agendas that the vast majority of Americans disagree with. There may be liberal groups that are batshit crazy, but they are the fringe and irrelevant. Beck/Tea Party are the mainstream of the party and control it. Even more moderate Republicans parrot Tea Party rhetoric to avoid being primaried from the right.
 
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19. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 21, 2013, 14:26 xXBatmanXx
 
jdreyer wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 14:19:
HorrorScope wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 12:38:
So some people are born for disastrous outcomes. This is something Beck is totally not looking at, the science that matters the most, the persons genetic brain.

We can't have a world that everything falls under "if one person f's it up, we all lose it", because you end up with nothing.

Can we reign back some yes. But to make this a black and white case is absurd. To be anti game and pro gun in that manner is absurd. Hell those laser pointers have a Federal Ban on them and guns don't. Which is potentially more dangerous? Neither does it's bad thing without a human driver. Pretty funny the laser light is banned... Killed perhaps not a person to day.

Beck doesn't care about science. He cares about ratings and money, and that's all.

If the second amendment weren't in the constitution, I'm sure guns would be much more restricted then they are, especially in more liberal states like Cali and the northeast. Just like lasers.

Guns without violent games will still result in 1000s of murders in the US, like they did in the 1970s. Violent games without guns lead to no murders, like they have in Japan currently (4 to 10 gun murders per year while playing the same amt or more violent games than the US does).

eh, it isn't guns or games, see my earlier comment about factors. I would argue there are so many socio and economic factors (also culture, etc etc etc) ideals that Japan has that are far superior to ours. I would even go as far to say they respect life and family in general, alot more than we do.

Like the 1960s of US. When mom and dad were at home and Mrs Cleaver made dinner and was hot as hell! Just sayin....
 
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18. Re: Morning Safety Dance Feb 21, 2013, 14:20 Yosemite Sam
 
They're right! Video games cause violence! I'm proof! Just the other day I was playing a game and was so angry I just wanted to smash things! Damn B-spec driver kept hitting the brakes on the corners on Indianapolis for NO REASON! MAKE HULK ANGRY! Ban driving simulators NOW!

EDIT if I were to bet on the next psychotic sociopath to go off the rails and take a bunch of followers with him, I'd put my money on Beck... he's already trying to build his "utopian community"
 
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17. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 21, 2013, 14:19 jdreyer
 
HorrorScope wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 12:38:
So some people are born for disastrous outcomes. This is something Beck is totally not looking at, the science that matters the most, the persons genetic brain.

We can't have a world that everything falls under "if one person f's it up, we all lose it", because you end up with nothing.

Can we reign back some yes. But to make this a black and white case is absurd. To be anti game and pro gun in that manner is absurd. Hell those laser pointers have a Federal Ban on them and guns don't. Which is potentially more dangerous? Neither does it's bad thing without a human driver. Pretty funny the laser light is banned... Killed perhaps not a person to day.

Beck doesn't care about science. He cares about ratings and money, and that's all.

If the second amendment weren't in the constitution, I'm sure guns would be much more restricted then they are, especially in more liberal states like Cali and the northeast. Just like lasers.

Guns without violent games will still result in 1000s of murders in the US, like they did in the 1970s. Violent games without guns lead to no murders, like they have in Japan currently (4 to 10 gun murders per year while playing the same amt or more violent games than the US does).
 
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16. Re: Morning Safety Dance Feb 21, 2013, 14:11 jdreyer
 
m00t wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 10:29:
As a native of Washington State (from a town next door to Mt Vernon), I sincerely and deeply apologize for the existence of Glenn Beck.

I am so, so sorry.

Washington state didn't make Beck any more than Beck made Beck. Roger Ailes did.

Your comment made me laugh though.
 
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15. Re: Morning Safety Dance Feb 21, 2013, 13:57 xXBatmanXx
 
Which party truly respects that people are different and wants to include them instead of reform them?

No party repects people....at all.
Governments aren't about "including" anyone. They are about social engineering to benefit the whole as THEY see fit....
 
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14. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 21, 2013, 12:55 Verno
 
HorrorScope wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 12:38:
True.

But if you had to ask a simple question and a key human one, one that answers a lot of the questions we have about why do people???:

Which party truly respects that people are different and wants to include them instead of reform them?

I have no idea what you were trying to say here but it sounds like a personal problem, not a party problem. We are products of our education and environment, not of a political party. The latter may attach itself through problems in the former but that's a different story. I don't base all of my views based on how I'm directed by a thinktank or something. I'm a member of the party by choice and I hold plenty of Liberal views.

The problems in the Republican party are much more mundane and fixable, we simply need to stop being bullied and spoken for by the fringe wing and a modernized platform that understands that time has changed, so too must the laws protecting the citizens and enabling society to go forward.
 
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13. Re: Morning Safety Dance Feb 21, 2013, 12:45 xXBatmanXx
 
Can Violent Video Games Play a Role in Violent Behavior?

Sure - but lets look at individual cases first.
Books, other media, cable tv, primetime tv, HOME LIFE, education, access to after school activites, dual parent homes, etc etc etc.

It is a FACTOR along wtih everything else. Not a source.

I refuse to even click on those stories.
 
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12. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 21, 2013, 12:38 HorrorScope
 
Verno wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 10:40:
HorrorScope wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 09:36:
And I used to be a republican... the party of "Everyone should think and act the same, even though we all know that people are differently, we'll just ignore that iron-clad fact". And then we'll make up facts to try to force people to emulate. Yes we are the party that lies and fights nature instead of truths and embracing it. Because different scares us.

That's not how the Republican party as a whole is, pretty wide generalization there. It has good and bad apples just like the Democrats. Let's not pretend the Republican party is the only one with some baggage here, there are plenty of left leaning groups I would consider to be on Becks/Tea Party level of idiocy. I'm a pretty moderate Republican and I think Beck is a crazy moron, the trouble is the media keeps giving him an outlet and the audience that comes with it.


True.

But if you had to ask a simple question and a key human one, one that answers a lot of the questions we have about why do people???:

Which party truly respects that people are different and wants to include them instead of reform them?

I think it's pretty clear.

It is one of the core reasons I've changed.

I at one time thought what I thought pretty much everyone else did, I also said people are different, but didn't respect that in action.
Then I realized, I'm thinking too small.

We are different and why is mostly because the way our brains are developed genetically one and then environment. I am even now gaining sympathy for hideous people, not that they should be detained or possibly even executed. But the deeper thought of... he's a killer... his brain is a killer... he didn't sign up for "I'll take a brain that apps to kill people"... His brain, like our brain, like our lives happen out of our control. So some people are born for disastrous outcomes. This is something Beck is totally not looking at, the science that matters the most, the persons genetic brain.

We can't have a world that everything falls under "if one person f's it up, we all lose it", because you end up with nothing.

Can we reign back some yes. But to make this a black and white case is absurd. To be anti game and pro gun in that manner is absurd. Hell those laser pointers have a Federal Ban on them and guns don't. Which is potentially more dangerous? Neither does it's bad thing without a human driver. Pretty funny the laser light is banned... Killed perhaps not a person to day.
 
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11. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 21, 2013, 12:27 HorrorScope
 
Cutter wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 09:52:
In all fairness to the few real republicans left Beck isn't a republican he's a fascist, and entirely about self-aggrandizement for money. I doubt he even believes half the shit he says. He's simply aware there are a lot of stupid, paranoid, bigoted people out there and it's easy to make those puppets dance and profit off them if you're a big enough scumbag.

That's true. He also reminds me of Ralphy from A Christmas Story.
 
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10. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 21, 2013, 12:21 PropheT
 
HorrorScope wrote on Feb 21, 2013, 09:36:
Beck:
“If your kid is playing these video games, you have to step up now. I beg you, pray on it if you want confirmation,” he added. “The only way we’ll survive is if we pull together as a team. Video games — for our children, not for adults — but video games are a gateway drug for our kids. And instead of a high, they get a numbness. They get an indifferent heart and a mind that cannot tell the difference between fiction and reality.”

You know, going by that description video games aren't going to turn your kids into killers, they're going to turn them into Fox News talk show hosts.
 
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9. Re: Morning Safety Dance Feb 21, 2013, 11:59 Ozmodan
 
glen Beck is such a fruitcake. The kid was mentally insane and should have been in an institution. Quit blaming games, it was his mother's fascination with guns that was the major influence. The mental health people erred greatly here and they are getting off scott free. Why no lawsuits against them, they dropped the ball big time.  
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