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34. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 21, 2013, 22:21 xXBatmanXx
 
nin wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 18:39:
Perry - "Although PS3 titles aren't natively supported on PS4..."

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!



They just need to stop talking about it - cause the more I hear about the new console, the less I want it.

"Not natively" means every single ps2 and ps3 title will be available as DLC at a premium price.
 
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33. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 21, 2013, 10:34 Jivaro
 
Thanks for the link, I will take a look at it. I actually don't have much experience with emulators, mainly because I try to keep the real hardware up and running...which my wife hates because of all the visible hardware. I just finished replacing the 72pin connector on a classic NES and then cleaned it up so the kids/grandkids in my family can use it. Weird how the original versions of the games look so much better on modern TVs then the Wii "redo" versions you can buy on Nintendo's online store. In any event, it is nice to see something useful being made of the original XBOX.

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32. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 21, 2013, 03:32 kyleb
 
Yeah, your calling my statement of fact "disingenuous" rather than acknowledging the logical implications of that fact was rather off-putting, as is your accusation of fanboyism. In really, I'm quite happy with my launch PS3 along with my 360, and still have my PS2 and original Xbox, but I'm a PC fanboy if anything and I've got a rather low opinion of MS from that perspective.

That said, if the original Xbox ever had anywhere close to the install base the PS2 has long enjoyed, the difference in long term support from MS and Sony for those consoles respectively would be a reasonable basis by which to weigh future purchasing decisions. On the other hand, giving the vast difference in install base between the two consoles, taking that difference in long term support as a reason to choose a product from one company over the other is completely irrational.

By the way, a lot can be done with that old "brick" of yours. I've never got around to doing any modding to mine or even looking into the possibilities much, but I googled up this forum thread which lists many options.

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31. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 23:42 Jivaro
 
Wow...touchy aren't we? Easy there tiger...your fanboy is showing. Looking at your post history I know you have a thing for detailed accuracy, which is a good thing, but I am not sure why you find a need to be rude about it. I am not even sure what your points are supposed to prove to me. They don't change the reality and I was basing my buying choices on the reality. it feels like you are trying to convince me of something or justify Microsoft's actions...and I am not sure why. For exmple, so what if the XBOX didn't have the install base that the PS2 had? As a owner of the original XBOX, how does that change anything? It doesn't. I am still left holding a brick. If anything it makes me more convinced to go with the Sony in the future. Furthermore, I don't understand the need to point it out...that wasn't some sort of revelation or mystery. I think it would be hard to find anyone on these boards who wasn't aware of something like that.

I didn't post my personal reasons for choosing a PS3 to start a "which console is better" war, or any kind of debate. I posted them to explain what was going through my head at the precise time I made the choice. You can make excuses, give reasons, set the timeline, do whatever you want...even if any/all of it is true or valid or whatever other word you want to attach to it, it doesn't change what affected my decision at the time of purchase or how it will affect my future purchases. It all resulted with me purchasing a PS3, being happy with it..and being curiously optimistic about the PS4 because of them. Had MS made similar choices along a similar time line I would most likely be just as happy with an XBOX 360. They didn't, legitimate reasons or not.

If I misinterpreted your statement and you took offense to my using the word "disingenuous", you have my apologies for that.
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30. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 22:15 kyleb
 
Jivaro wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 19:13:
I can still buy and use PS2 games
The PS2 has a huge install base which justifies continued support, the original Xbox didn't.

Jivaro wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 19:13:
Saying that Sony had it 6 months after the XBOX 360 had been out is disingenuous. The PS3 came out after the XBOX 360...so of course it did.
It's Sony's first Blu-ray player which came out over 6 months after the 360, and which was the first Blu-ray player to come out because Sony was the driving force behind the creation of Blu-ray technology, while the PS3 didn't come out until nearly another 6 months after that. Those are facts, and there's nothing disingenuous about facts, though it seems I was expecting too much of you when I assumed you'd be able to comprehend the implications of such facts.
 
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29. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 19:55 nin
 
Oh now the consoles get the year old PC game...shoe on the other foot!


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28. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 19:53 Quboid
 
I presume everyone's already made "Durango Unchained" jokes?  
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27. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 19:30 Redmask
 
I think they sold 50,000 PS2s in January, not bad for a console so old.  
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26. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 19:25 PHJF
 
My point was that Sony still does support the PS2

Because people still buy it...
 
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25. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 19:13 Jivaro
 
kyleb wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 17:57:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 14:26:
Had MS not dumped original XBOX users basically overnight from Live... and included a Blu-Ray maybe I would have bought one.
Live support for the original Xbox lasted over 4 years after the 360 launch, and Sony didn't even have their first Blu-ray player out until over half a year after the 360 launched.

a) I can still buy and use PS2 games....10+ years on. Some of them online. My original XBOX is a brick. It isn't even a worthwhile legacy DVD player. You can make the arguement, and even a valid one, that expecting MS to continue supporting the original XBOX is not reasonable...and that is fair enough. My point was that Sony still does support the PS2, games are still made for it, and I can still use it online....all of this despite the fact that they just announced the PS4 today and have some of their PS2 games ported to the PS3...essentially creating their own competition. As a customer, I find Sony's example quite a bit more encouraging in this regard. My wording was poor, when I said "overnight" I meant with little warning....not that it happened right when the 360 was launched. My bad.

b) Sony had Blu-Ray on the PS3 from launch. The XBOX 360 still doesn't. Saying that Sony had it 6 months after the XBOX 360 had been out is disingenuous. The PS3 came out after the XBOX 360...so of course it did.

Edit rather then new post: Someone said something about uninteresting exclusives for the PS3. I find that...confusing. Well, maybe if you dig FPS games that is true as the most popular ones do seem to be XBOX 360 games. For example, Halo and Gears. In just about every other genre I would say the PS3 had a far better list of exclusives over the course of this generation. Subjective of course, but when I look back at games like Demons Souls, the God of War series, Gran Turismo 5, Heavenly Sword, LittleBigPlanet 1 and 2, ModNation Racers, both Infamous games, Metal Gear Solid 4, the Uncharted series, Twisted Metal, and Heavy Rain...."uninteresting" isn't the first word that jumps out at me. okay...Gran Turismo was a bit lackluster. I know the Killzone and Resistance series isn't as popular as Halo or GoW...but they are still quality titles. I am purposely leaving off all of the JRPG titles because I think everyone can agree that MS gave that genre up.

I recently bought Sorcery and the new Harry Potter game "The Book of Spells", both Move games, for my grand kids. Why those games or something like them is not available for the Kinect I have no idea, because it could obviously do it. In any event, both of them are a lot of fun and show the right way to use motion controls in gaming.

Anyway, point is that when it comes to exclusives, that just isn't something I would expect to be the complaint about the PS3. Again, totally subjective, but when I look at MS's list I find it a lot less interesting. For example the Fable games, Forza series, and the original Saints Row are the only titles that jump out at me personally...not including the obvious Halo and GoW titles. I am sure there are a few I am unfamiliar with due to not owning the system. perhaps someone could name a few should I decide to pick one up? Though I prefer to game on my PC, I will play just about anything on a console other then FPS and RTS games. For those I demand my PC.

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24. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 18:50 Yosemite Sam
 
Redmask wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 18:46:
GameTrailers and PSU have good streams, can't believe how fast he brushed over no backwards compatibility. They better have the best launch games ever, no one is putting up with a $500+ playstation console thats best is a Heavenly Sword equivalent.


TY much better...
 
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23. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 18:46 Redmask
 
GameTrailers and PSU have good streams, can't believe how fast he brushed over no backwards compatibility. They better have the best launch games ever, no one is putting up with a $500+ playstation console thats best is a Heavenly Sword equivalent.

 
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22. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 18:39 nin
 

Perry - "Although PS3 titles aren't natively supported on PS4..."

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


 
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21. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 18:36 Yosemite Sam
 
Yosemite Sam wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 18:29:
nin wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 18:24:
Did they hire Real for the streaming?

Heh no shit, but what I've been able to see thus far is pretty friken sweet. Sharing vid clips from games as easily as you can take sceenshots right now, dedicated chip for backgroud shit so you can DL update ect in the background whiule playing... sleep mode so you can put it to sleep in the middle of a game and resume at anytime.... wow the whole gamer interaction stuff they are talking about is unbelievable.


Heh dunno WTF happened there was supposed to be an edit...
 
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20. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 18:29 Yosemite Sam
 
nin wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 18:24:
Did they hire Real for the streaming?

Heh no shit, but what I've been able to see thus far is pretty friken sweet. Sharing vid clips from games as easily as you can take sceenshots right now, dedicated chip for backgroud shit so you can DL update ect in the background whiule playing... sleep mode so you can put it to sleep in the middle of a game and resume at anytime.

 
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19. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 18:24 nin
 

Did they hire Real for the streaming?


 
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18. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 18:11 Yosemite Sam
 
It's official, it's a PS4 announcement, they are talking about whats it's gonna be right now

Link via LAtimes...

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/games/watch-it-live-sonys-ps4-announcement/

Heh feed getting hammered... 8GB system memory, GPU with havok built in...

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17. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 17:57 kyleb
 
Jivaro wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 14:26:
Had MS not dumped original XBOX users basically overnight from Live... and included a Blu-Ray maybe I would have bought one.
Live support for the original Xbox lasted over 4 years after the 360 launch, and Sony didn't even have their first Blu-ray player out until over half a year after the 360 launched.
 
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16. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 16:28 avianflu
 

The current 360 GUI is so annoying it actively deters me from turning it on at all.

The PS3 was a real disappointment but largely because it lacked the interesting exclusives that the PS2 had all of the time.
 
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15. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 20, 2013, 15:38 Verno
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Feb 20, 2013, 15:23:
I am just curious where do you figure Microsoft went arrogant? With the DLC everything scheme, or Xbox Live Gold demo exclusives?

Their dealings with many developers and the public, the RROD fiasco, peripheral pricing, continued degradation of the value proposition in XBL, they're down to a few wheelhouse IPs, etc. In the first few years of its life cycle they had a lot of interesting stuff going on and most of it seemed to die down after they hit the 20m sales mark. Someone was telling me internally they lost a lot of key people over the years too which has changed the direction that whole division has taken.
 
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