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14. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 16:10 RollinThundr
 
Cutter wrote on Feb 13, 2013, 11:51:
Doesn't matter these consoles will floip and they'll be the last ones anyway. EA is wasting their time and money investing in it and they're too stupid to see it.

Going to chalk this one up as sarcasm. No one can be that retarded.
 
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13. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 14:02 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Feb 13, 2013, 13:29:
Your analogy is flawed for that. It's more like saying you bought a 486 why can't you run your Amiga software. Heck, that's almost exactly what it was for the PS3 - in order to have backwards compatibility they basically had to put an entire PS2 inside the PS3. CPU and GPU. Sure, at that point they'd manufactured a billion of those and they were likely kind of cheap, but they also had to build the system to accommodate this - kind of like building a motherboard to take Amiga, 486, and a GPU for each.

Exactly, both Xbox 360 and PS3 used custom processors. The xbox was a 3 core Power PC Xenon, while PS3 used a nine core custom Core processor. If rumors are true the new consoles are both going with x86 AMDs, a completely different architecture. Games would have to either be emulated (slow) or recompiled and reissued. Emulation is possible, and recompiling will never happen, save perhaps for a few select titles (like they did for Shadow of the Colossus).
 
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12. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 13:29 Beamer
 
nate12345 wrote on Feb 13, 2013, 12:32:
I don't understand why the next gen consoles need to break compatibility. Can't they just upgrade the CPU, GPU, memory, etc.. Then create new new drivers for the new hardware, and let all the old games work with minimal patching. Right now, I can upgrade my whole computer and games still work. I can upgrade from an 8 year old CPU/GPU with WinXP to Win7 with modern CPU/CPU/Memory and everything still works. Why can't they do this with a console??

Your PC games are less efficient than console games for that reason. Console games are written very specifically to the hardware they're on - it's a benefit of being on that hardware.

Plus the PS3 has the Cell with, what, 9 asymmetrical processors?

Your analogy is flawed for that. It's more like saying you bought a 486 why can't you run your Amiga software. Heck, that's almost exactly what it was for the PS3 - in order to have backwards compatibility they basically had to put an entire PS2 inside the PS3. CPU and GPU. Sure, at that point they'd manufactured a billion of those and they were likely kind of cheap, but they also had to build the system to accommodate this - kind of like building a motherboard to take Amiga, 486, and a GPU for each.
 
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11. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 12:59 nin
 
nate12345 wrote on Feb 13, 2013, 12:32:
I don't understand why the next gen consoles need to break compatibility. Can't they just upgrade the CPU, GPU, memory, etc.. Then create new new drivers for the new hardware, and let all the old games work with minimal patching. Right now, I can upgrade my whole computer and games still work. I can upgrade from an 8 year old CPU/GPU with WinXP to Win7 with modern CPU/CPU/Memory and everything still works. Why can't they do this with a console??


I would suspect each game is looking/written for very specific hardware. Having to offer compatibility patches for every old game (ones that certainly aren't drawing in money now to justify the cost) would be a nightmare.

Having said that, I always hope for backward compatibility.

 
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10. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 12:32 nate12345
 
I don't understand why the next gen consoles need to break compatibility. Can't they just upgrade the CPU, GPU, memory, etc.. Then create new new drivers for the new hardware, and let all the old games work with minimal patching. Right now, I can upgrade my whole computer and games still work. I can upgrade from an 8 year old CPU/GPU with WinXP to Win7 with modern CPU/CPU/Memory and everything still works. Why can't they do this with a console??  
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9. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 12:19 Julio
 
Backwards compatibility isn't that important, unless you want to buy at the console launch. There's little point in buying a new console until its at least a year old. That way there's some games to play. 1st gen games on a new console aren't good most of the time anyways.  
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8. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 11:52 Orphic Resonance
 
yeh open up your eyes you dumbshit - consoles are stupid  
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7. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 11:51 Cutter
 
Doesn't matter these consoles will floip and they'll be the last ones anyway. EA is wasting their time and money investing in it and they're too stupid to see it.
 
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6. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 11:47 avianflu
 
Are we looking at the next video game console market crash?

I am beginning to wonder if there's enough consumers who actually want these new ultra-DRM-filled consoles.

Sure some will buy them but enough of them?
 
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5. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 11:03 Beamer
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Feb 13, 2013, 09:56:
EA: Next-gen consoles ‘unlikely’ to be backwards compatible.

Well, it is EA saying it, which is most likely crap.

It is 2013, if you aren't backwards compat - you are garbage. If they aren't, I won't be buying anymore consoles, I will just buy multiple older ones and haxor them for all the old games that are no longer "supported" that they want us all to REBUY for the 4-5th time in their new download service.

No thanks. I can only buy Rush n Attack on so many consoles while still owning the original cart....

There should be backwards compatibility for emulated games, like Rush-N-Attack, and I can almost guarantee there will be, but I definitely don't see why NHL 2010 needs to run on the Xbox 4. It is a HUGE resource cost since those games can't simply be emulated.

I don't want them spending $20-$50 in hardware to give me backwards compatibility. I'd rather that go to a more powerful processor or GPU. Or come off the price.
 
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4. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 10:56 Verno
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Feb 13, 2013, 09:56:
EA: Next-gen consoles ‘unlikely’ to be backwards compatible.

Well, it is EA saying it, which is most likely crap.

It is 2013, if you aren't backwards compat - you are garbage. If they aren't, I won't be buying anymore consoles, I will just buy multiple older ones and haxor them for all the old games that are no longer "supported" that they want us all to REBUY for the 4-5th time in their new download service.

No thanks. I can only buy Rush n Attack on so many consoles while still owning the original cart....

Yeah exactly. Hell I don't even have room in my entertainment center for old consoles + new console, BC is literally a purchasing factor for me. No way I'm going to their preferred "heres the privilege of rebuying your old catalog" garbage. Come up with a way for me to authenticate a disk and have free access to the downloadable copy or something.
 
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3. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 09:58 Beamer
 
Backwards compatibility is just to boost initial sales, though. It tends to be very expensive, and that just means you're either paying more for something you'll use 8-12 months or, worse, getting less power in exchange for a feature you'll only use for 8-12 months.

I own a 360 and PS3. I do not need their capabilities in a new system. It's not like the old ones will magically stop working, though within a few months (8-12 is an overestimation for me, personally) they'll seem antiquated and going back to them will be painful.

By this point almost everyone owns a PS3 and/or 360. Yeah, some will trade them in for a new system, but for many backwards compatibility is something that makes them feel better about a system even if it isn't much used. It gets them to buy something either overpriced or inferior.
It's a ripoff.
 
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2. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 09:56 xXBatmanXx
 
EA: Next-gen consoles ‘unlikely’ to be backwards compatible.

Well, it is EA saying it, which is most likely crap.

It is 2013, if you aren't backwards compat - you are garbage. If they aren't, I won't be buying anymore consoles, I will just buy multiple older ones and haxor them for all the old games that are no longer "supported" that they want us all to REBUY for the 4-5th time in their new download service.

No thanks. I can only buy Rush n Attack on so many consoles while still owning the original cart....
 
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1. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 13, 2013, 09:36 Verno
 
Backwards compatibility is pretty important at launch, I probably wouldn't buy a console without it until years later. The launch catalogs are often a complete joke and I already have a box for Netflix playback. I can understand dropping it later on when it's not really a factor but many people are working on backlogs these days as it is.

The PS4 I can't see doing any form of BC since the architecture and development platforms have changed so much. The Adbox 720 doesn't really have the same excuse.
 
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