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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 14, 2013, 14:17 |
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Imagine a GTA game with RAGE's vehicle physics? Brutal.
It's not hard to imagine at all  They called it GTA 4. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 11, 2013, 14:48 |
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Dev wrote on Feb 11, 2013, 13:24:
I specified free hosting, not affordable. There's a difference Bit torrent works for some things, but not everything.
BitTorrent is free and works just fine for most applications where large scale traffic requirements are concerned. If it's good enough for most of the world to distribute large size movies and games, it will do just fine for 4GB maps. The question is will anyone bother investing time into Rage SDK work to distribute. The file hosting part is the least of the problems. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 11, 2013, 13:24 |
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Redmask wrote on Feb 10, 2013, 18:25:
Dev wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 23:38:
kyleb wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 19:48:
while say 4-8 GB is huge for a single map, it's not terribly hard to get a file of such size hosted these days. Please tell me where its feasible to get those kinda single file sizes freely hosted for the traffic that a mod is likely to bring.
BitTorrent makes this a non-issue, there's also AWS and many other affordable hosting providers. I specified free hosting, not affordable. There's a difference Bit torrent works for some things, but not everything. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 10, 2013, 18:25 |
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Dev wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 23:38:
kyleb wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 19:48:
while say 4-8 GB is huge for a single map, it's not terribly hard to get a file of such size hosted these days. Please tell me where its feasible to get those kinda single file sizes freely hosted for the traffic that a mod is likely to bring.
BitTorrent makes this a non-issue, there's also AWS and many other affordable hosting providers. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 10, 2013, 16:32 |
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Kawlisse wrote on Feb 10, 2013, 10:15:
Dev wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 19:48: ''Please tell me where its feasible to get those kinda single file sizes freely hosted for the traffic that a mod is likely to bring.''
Split the file in multiple smaller files ! That works for some things yeah. But not everything. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 10, 2013, 10:15 |
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Dev wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 19:48: ''Please tell me where its feasible to get those kinda single file sizes freely hosted for the traffic that a mod is likely to bring.''
Split the file in multiple smaller files ! |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 10, 2013, 07:20 |
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Quboid wrote on Feb 10, 2013, 07:13:
kyleb wrote on Feb 10, 2013, 03:05:
See here for example's sake.
Not really the best example, I hope.
Note: FilePlanet is no longer being updated and is in the process of being archived. But I appreciate the link. I didn't realize such a mod existed for hl2. The fileplanet one is an old outdated version, but it makes me want to try it. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 10, 2013, 07:13 |
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kyleb wrote on Feb 10, 2013, 03:05:
See here for example's sake.
Not really the best example, I hope.
Note: FilePlanet is no longer being updated and is in the process of being archived. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 10, 2013, 03:05 |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 23:38 |
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kyleb wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 19:48:
while say 4-8 GB is huge for a single map, it's not terribly hard to get a file of such size hosted these days. Please tell me where its feasible to get those kinda single file sizes freely hosted for the traffic that a mod is likely to bring. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 19:48 |
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I wasn't suggesting anyone will retexture the base game. That would be an absurdly large project, and significantly improving the texture quality would require more like a 40-80 GB download. However, some people are bound to make custom maps for the game simply because it's the only one that offers moders the opportunity to work free from the confines of traditional texturing, and while say 4-8 GB is huge for a single map, it's not terribly hard to get a file of such size hosted these days.
This comment was edited on Feb 9, 2013, 20:23. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 19:18 |
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kyleb wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 15:54:
That said, with the toolkit released I'm sure some people will make maps with amazing up close texture detail, but even on a small map such texturing will require multiple gigs of data. I'd be surprised if anyone bothered. This is way late in the game, most people have moved on to other games/projects. The number of modders and mods is directly related to how popular the game is. Rage isn't nearly as popular as something like skyrim or oblivion.
Plus, they'd have to re-texture probably from scratch, using tools that are not only hard to use, they take up large amounts of disk space and enormous amounts of time to actually use them?
Where could you even host a high res texture pack for the game if it was 20 or 30 gb? And how many people would actually still be interested in getting at this late date? Especially downloading such a huge pack?
If they are looking to make a name for themselves, they'd be much better off making some assets for wasteland 2. There, they'd not only get paid, but get their names in the credits for the final game. And it wouldn't be a horrible pain to work with.
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 16:07 |
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kyleb wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 15:54:
No, that's not the issue, I've been reading the thread as it's been going.
I know about the lack of high resolution source textures and have a roundabout knowledge of megatexture, it was already mentioned. I was talking about why people thought there was a high resolution texture pack coming at some point, regardless of if it possible or not. Whether that stems from a miscommunication or poor reporting is anyones guess. No need to get so 'upset' about it
Hope someone mods the vehicle physics so cars perform less like horrible RC toys and more like badass, properly-weighted machines.
The current vehicle physics make driving around a chore, rather than fun.
And half the game is driving.
I thought it felt like a tacked on feature and just wanted no driving at all.
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 15:54 |
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Redmask wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 15:12:
We know, you're playing catch up with the thread here No, that's not the issue, I've been reading the thread as it's been going.
Fion wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 15:13:
The texturing technique relies even more heavily on available memory than traditional texturing, and with consoles that resource is thin at best. Nah, actually with virtual texturing avalable memory only limits how well the can textures look in the distance, as can be seen in the screenshots here. Making the textures looks notably better up close simply requires more significantly more disk space, and the game is already pushing reasonable limits on that as is. That said, with the toolkit released I'm sure some people will make maps with amazing up close texture detail, but even on a small map such texturing will require multiple gigs of data. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 15:37 |
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siapnar wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 15:34:
Imagine a GTA game with RAGE's vehicle physics? Brutal. IMO vehicles should never have been apart of RAGE. Took the focus away from other areas such as some kind of Deathmatch MP mode. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 15:34 |
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Hope someone mods the vehicle physics so cars perform less like horrible RC toys and more like badass, properly-weighted machines.
The current vehicle physics make driving around a chore, rather than fun.
And half the game is driving.
Imagine a GTA game with RAGE's vehicle physics? Brutal. |
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| I have projectile dysfunction. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 15:32 |
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Fion wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 15:13:
It seems to me the one and only reason for the texture issues in Rage is the simple fact that thanks to Bethesda, it was a console-focused game. The texturing technique relies even more heavily on available memory than traditional texturing, and with consoles that resource is thin at best. So the quality of the mega-textures over-all was reduced 'specifically' to make the game playable at high framerates on consoles.
I think if we see a PC focused game using the technique, we'll really get to see the technology shine. Even in Rage IMHO the graphics were largely amazing, the gameplay was very tight and the animation system was revolutionary. The only thing I didn't like about the game was the cut-off ending.
And you know this was due to Bethesda and not id... how?
Given what others are saying about Carmack's interests, it's pretty much impossible to tell what was id and what was the publisher. Is Carmack really uninterested in PC? Then it was probably id. Is that not true? Then maybe it was id, maybe it was the publisher. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 15:24 |
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The invisible blocking (they weren't really walls, just weirdly placed blocks everywhere) was definitely cumbersome. I like to get off the beaten path and explore every nook and cranny, I ran into them all the damned time. It's really annoying seeing something cool over the horizon or a room that you just get blocked off by.
Generally speaking, I've found that how much a person spent on Rage largely corresponds with their feelings about it. Most of the Steam Sale types seem to think its pretty good for $5-15, I haven't seen many people who think it was a good deal at $60 though.
Anyways it's all academic, we might never see a followup since it really underperformed and id is working on internal engine and support tools for the rest of the company now. |
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Playing: Path of Exile, Animal Crossing, Tales of Graces F
Watching: Survivorman, Justified, Silent Running |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 15:13 |
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It seems to me the one and only reason for the texture issues in Rage is the simple fact that thanks to Bethesda, it was a console-focused game. The texturing technique relies even more heavily on available memory than traditional texturing, and with consoles that resource is thin at best. So the quality of the mega-textures over-all was reduced 'specifically' to make the game playable at high framerates on consoles.
I think if we see a PC focused game using the technique, we'll really get to see the technology shine. Even in Rage IMHO the graphics were largely amazing, the gameplay was very tight and the animation system was revolutionary. The only thing I didn't like about the game was the cut-off ending. |
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Re: RAGE Tool Kit |
Feb 9, 2013, 15:12 |
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kyleb wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 15:01:
Redmask wrote on Feb 9, 2013, 14:23:
I don't really care, if it was promised or otherwise I think the game could have certainly used it. The thing is, the game can't rightly use a high res texture pack like has been done for other games, because Rage doesn't use the traditional texturing methods those games do. So it's rather absurd to get upset about what was never reasonably possible, let alone ever actually promised.
We know, you're playing catch up with the thread here, these things have already been talked about. I'm not getting upset about anything, I just said the game could have used them. Some people don't care about the trade off, some people do, maybe they should have considered the possibility that some people would notice during development.
Pathetic they are crying loudly about something out of the way, and such a non-issue, I mean seriously.
@theyarecomingforyou, you obviously don't play many games at all if you think invisble walls are not part of every day gaming. Every FPS game has at least one collision issue. Just stop exaggerating.
Sure other games have them, they just try to obfuscate them. It's a valid complaint, I ran into them too. They might not have annoyed me as much as him but they're not hard to find. I think they are more glaring in a very picturesque, open world style setting. That's not the game RAGE was necessarily trying to be but they do try to paint that picture. |
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