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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 20:43 |
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Sho wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 18:34:
yuastnav wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 18:24: Um, no. Something like that should not even be worth mentioning since any decent publisher/developer will do that anyway, without saying. I don't want to sound like an entitled bastard but this is usually, or at least should be, standard practice with software and EA should not be praised for doing something exceptional. It should be merely acknowledged that they didn't feth it up this time. No, that's bullshit. I agree that pay-once-play-anywhere is a good thing for customers, but it's wrong to claim that this has been historically the norm in the video game space. I've always had IBM-compatibles under the desk but was using a Mac laptop in the last decade, and I had to buy a bunch of games twice as distinct Windows and Mac versions, often from separate publishers even. And even in the digital distribution age I've sometimes had to license for different platforms separately. Heck, we're having this problem with iOS vs. Android now, too.
That doesn't mean we need to be grateful to EA for doing the right thing, of course - I don't think customers would let them get away with anything else, considering Steam and GOG do it this way. There are several meanings to what I said. It either means that this has been historically the norm, which I actually did not had in mind when I wrote that, or it means that there are not a lot of decent developers/publishers. I can name a few developers (and their software), whom I respect but who did not follow that practice. On the other hand there are also some who do it for free.
It's just what I expect from software developers and when that doesn't happen it sucks. Nothing that can be done about that. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 20:21 |
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Quboid wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 20:12: That search comes up with nothing. I presume it's a regional limitation, rather than the oddest argument ever. I see portal 2 in 3 different formats (pc, xbox, ps3).
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 20:21 |
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Quboid wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 20:12: That search comes up with nothing. I presume it's a regional limitation, rather than the oddest argument ever. lol - I didn't even click on the link - guess I should have! Now that I have... Those aren't virtual copies, they are physical copies. There is no option to buy it through the Origin online store, just physical copies for all 3 platforms (of which 2 are out of stock).
So yeah, it doesn't support his position in the slightest. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 20:12 |
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| That search comes up with nothing. I presume it's a regional limitation, rather than the oddest argument ever. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 19:45 |
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Creston wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 18:55:
Bhruic wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 16:02: Really, they are doing nothing more than what Valve did - tie their games to their distribution system. If anyone things Valve would do things any different today, they are nuts. Funny, since you can buy Valve's games on Origin.
http://store.origin.com/store/ea/search/?keywords=portal Very funny, since Valve isn't exactly in the position of starting out their service. If Valve were starting up Steam today, they'd almost certainly do it the same way they did it originally (although, frankly, they don't have a popular enough game these days to pull if off).
Also you can buy almost every EA game on every service except Steam, so it's not like there's no choice. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 18:55 |
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Bhruic wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 16:02: Really, they are doing nothing more than what Valve did - tie their games to their distribution system. If anyone things Valve would do things any different today, they are nuts. Funny, since you can buy Valve's games on Origin.
http://store.origin.com/store/ea/search/?keywords=portal
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 18:34 |
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yuastnav wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 18:24: Um, no. Something like that should not even be worth mentioning since any decent publisher/developer will do that anyway, without saying. I don't want to sound like an entitled bastard but this is usually, or at least should be, standard practice with software and EA should not be praised for doing something exceptional. It should be merely acknowledged that they didn't feth it up this time. No, that's bullshit. I agree that pay-once-play-anywhere is a good thing for customers, but it's wrong to claim that this has been historically the norm in the video game space. I've always had IBM-compatibles under the desk but was using a Mac laptop in the last decade, and I had to buy a bunch of games twice as distinct Windows and Mac versions, often from separate publishers even. And even in the digital distribution age I've sometimes had to license for different platforms separately. Heck, we're having this problem with iOS vs. Android now, too.
That doesn't mean we need to be grateful to EA for doing the right thing, of course - I don't think customers would let them get away with anything else, considering Steam and GOG do it this way. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 18:29 |
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Beelzebud wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 13:08: Maybe some day they'll do a Linux client, so then I can not use it on three platforms! FWIW, from a tech POV they made the smart decision to write Origin using the Qt and other cross-platform libraries, so they likely had their eyes set on portability from the get-go. If they ever wanted to and actually had product to peddle on Linux, deploying it there would be considerably easier than porting Steam was. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 18:24 |
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Bhruic wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 17:33:
Bard wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 17:03:
Bhruic wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 16:02: My annoyance is with the people who kneejerk "EA bad!" for everything they do. I don't love EA. I don't particularily like EA. I agree that EA does lots of scummy things. But sometimes they do decent things, Since when? name one! How about from the quote up above? With dual-platform play, gamers will buy a game once and be able to download it for both PC and Mac (if the game is available for both platforms). After purchasing the game via Origin on one platform, as soon as a player logs into their other device, the game will appear ready for download in the Origin “My Games” tab.
Allowing people to buy the game once and play it on both systems is a pretty decent move on EA's part. Um, no. Something like that should not even be worth mentioning since any decent publisher/developer will do that anyway, without saying. I don't want to sound like an entitled bastard but this is usually, or at least should be, standard practice with software and EA should not be praised for doing something exceptional. It should be merely acknowledged that they didn't feth it up this time. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 17:33 |
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Bard wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 17:03:
Bhruic wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 16:02: My annoyance is with the people who kneejerk "EA bad!" for everything they do. I don't love EA. I don't particularily like EA. I agree that EA does lots of scummy things. But sometimes they do decent things, Since when? name one! How about from the quote up above? With dual-platform play, gamers will buy a game once and be able to download it for both PC and Mac (if the game is available for both platforms). After purchasing the game via Origin on one platform, as soon as a player logs into their other device, the game will appear ready for download in the Origin “My Games” tab.
Allowing people to buy the game once and play it on both systems is a pretty decent move on EA's part. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 17:03 |
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Bhruic wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 16:02:
Quboid wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 14:59: I understand people not liking how EA goes about making money and if I'd known about the always-on requirement at the time, I wouldn't have preordered Simcity. However, deger's attitude is just naive. My annoyance is with the people who kneejerk "EA bad!" for everything they do. I don't love EA. I don't particularily like EA. I agree that EA does lots of scummy things. But sometimes they do decent things, Since when? name one! |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 16:02 |
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Quboid wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 14:59: I understand people not liking how EA goes about making money and if I'd known about the always-on requirement at the time, I wouldn't have preordered Simcity. However, deger's attitude is just naive. My annoyance is with the people who kneejerk "EA bad!" for everything they do. I don't love EA. I don't particularily like EA. I agree that EA does lots of scummy things. But sometimes they do decent things, and rather than laugh at them when they do, I'd rather encourage them so they continue to do more.
Really, they are doing nothing more than what Valve did - tie their games to their distribution system. If anyone things Valve would do things any different today, they are nuts. They've put a lot of time and money into getting even 3rd party developers/publishers to tie their products to Steam.
Yes, I would consider Valve to be a "better" company than EA, but jumping over EA for doing something that you ignore in other companies just demonstrates a personal bias, not anything wrong with EA. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 15:04 |
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Greed still exists in the pursuit of capitalism, tying it into a job description doesn't negate the acts used to justify it. Sorry to get all political but I see that one come up frequently and it bugs me. The pursuit of wealth and success in the market place and the roles of corporations themselves are things that has been considerably perverted over the past 30 years.
I don't see anything wrong with calling a corporation greedy, it really depends on what they're actually doing. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 14:59 |
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Orogogus wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 13:38:
Quboid wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 12:13: I can understand wanting EA games on Steam and I can understand not liking Origin's T&C but I can't understand why it's unreasonable for EA to not want to give a competitor a slice of their cash. By the same token it's reasonable for gamers not to like this, since the endpoint is every publisher setting up their own competing service with nothing available on anyone else's DD platform. It would be better for us if EA continued releasing games on Steam as well as Origin, so you can't expect people to cheer them on, either. It's not like we have any vested interest in EA maximizing their profits. Yes, that's fair. However, accusing a multi-billion dollar company of being greedy is just ridiculous. You know what happens to the CEO of a huge company who isn't obsessed with making money? He gets kicked out of his office at the next AGM and replaced with someone who is.
I understand people not liking how EA goes about making money and if I'd known about the always-on requirement at the time, I wouldn't have preordered Simcity. However, deger's attitude is just naive. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 14:02 |
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Creston wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 11:12: Hey, this a good deal. Now people can ignore them on TWO platforms!
Creston Pretty much!
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 13:44 |
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| They could just price their games higher on Steam but continue releasing them there. At least then people would have options. I don't want to buy things from 10 different places but that is what they're trying to do. I get where they are coming from in maximizing profits but as a buyer I just don't give a fuck, I want convenience from digital games, that's the whole point of the market. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 13:38 |
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Quboid wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 12:13: I can understand wanting EA games on Steam and I can understand not liking Origin's T&C but I can't understand why it's unreasonable for EA to not want to give a competitor a slice of their cash. By the same token it's reasonable for gamers not to like this, since the endpoint is every publisher setting up their own competing service with nothing available on anyone else's DD platform. It would be better for us if EA continued releasing games on Steam as well as Origin, so you can't expect people to cheer them on, either. It's not like we have any vested interest in EA maximizing their profits. |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 13:08 |
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| Maybe some day they'll do a Linux client, so then I can not use it on three platforms! |
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Re: Origin for OS X |
Feb 8, 2013, 12:13 |
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deqer wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 11:06: because Origin is doing so well, it's time to spread it over to other operating systems now? ... No. But, go ahead anyways, right? It's your Origin product; and it must survive. You have big plans for Origin, don't you? So, nothing will stop you from spreading it, even though the stats clearly show you that people don't like it/want it.
Keep sticking it to them, EA.
"Our vision with Origin is to connect y ..." Shut up EA. We already know your vision/plan for Origin is. It's greed; plain and simple. Stop feeding is fluffy one-liners. I know, right? It's like EA want money!
I can understand wanting EA games on Steam and I can understand not liking Origin's T&C but I can't understand why it's unreasonable for EA to not want to give a competitor a slice of their cash.
It's not like Origin is that bad, from a technical point of view. It's nearly as good as Steam in that it's nearly as good as just staying the hell out of my way. It typically uses less RAM than Steam, although for some reason it is using more right now. |
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