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35. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 8, 2013, 15:13 Fantaz
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 11:39:
"Sony drops Kevin Butler ad agency."

That's not a smart move. I thought Kevin did an awesome job, always found his ads entertaining. Then when he walked on stage at E3 I believe it was with a beer in his hand and gave that speech, it was priceless.

Yeah... looks like he's not doing PS4 then.
 
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34. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 22:13 nin
 
Jensen wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 21:20:
I doubt the next-gen consoles will require an 'always-on' net connection, but I think they'll require online activation to install a game... though Sony may use their patented discs to avoid the online activation requirement.

That seems a lot more likely. I'm still not a huge fan of it, but I'd be a little surprised if consoles went online only. It would be different if broadband were easily available everywhere (though I still wouldn't be a fan of consoles going that direction), but that's still not the case.

 
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33. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 21:20 Jensen
 
I doubt the next-gen consoles will require an 'always-on' net connection, but I think they'll require online activation to install a game... though Sony may use their patented discs to avoid the online activation requirement.  
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32. Re: More Big Picture Details Feb 7, 2013, 21:13 HorrorScope
 
If the choice is always online or cloud. Then it's an easy one to make.  
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31. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 19:41 jdreyer
 
Watter wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 16:43:
CrimsonPaw wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 15:56:
If they go down that road, they'd better be ready to drop the price of titles considerably to make up for the value lost to trade-ins.
That's the problem though. They have already taken quite a few consumer unfriendly actions in the name of reducing piracy or used game sales, but not once has that resulted in lower prices for purchasers of those games.

It hasn't resulted in reduced piracy either though.
 
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30. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 17:23 Dev
 
What confuses me though is didn't I read that ouya was saying they were only going to let F2P games on it?  
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29. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 17:17 Julio
 
Always on internet connection on my console means I'll skip this console generation.

I buy most games new, but do buy games I don't care about as much used. So the impact of no used games will be just like it was on PC for me. I buy fewer AAA titles and spend less. Since consoles won't have an good indie type gaming option like the PC does, my overall spend will be down. Used game buyers aren't switching to new for every purchase.

Locking games to a specific console would also be bad, a lot of people own multiple consoles of the same type. I'm at 2 PS3s and may even add a 3rd.

Hopefully Microsoft does something stupid like this, I hope Sony doesn't.
 
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28. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 16:54 Yosemite Sam
 
Acleacius wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 14:22:
Why Microsoft Got Into The Console Business
I'm 99% sure this is bullshit, but will wait to see the full interview. The threat to the PC only came after m$ bribed, bulled and beat PC developers into submission. Not only did it threaten the PC but the quality of games and software development as a whole. It brought on the institutionalization of development with almost slave like conditions for developers, low quality shovelware and retail release in beta state or worst.

Greed at a corporate level, global profit at the expense of humanity.

Yes, Microsofts venture into the console gaming market was strictly based on the fact that they saw it as a really big (and growing) market to try and take over. They had zero intentions of ever playing WITH Sony, they saw Sony had this huge pie and they wanted it. I was at CES in 2001 and all the talk was about Microsoft wanting to dominate the living room.
 
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27. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 16:45 Yosemite Sam
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 11:39:
"Sony drops Kevin Butler ad agency."

That's not a smart move. I thought Kevin did an awesome job, always found his ads entertaining. Then when he walked on stage at E3 I believe it was with a beer in his hand and gave that speech, it was priceless.

Agreed, dunno why Sony dropped those line of ads and Kevin seemed like a really good theme for them.
 
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26. No subject Feb 7, 2013, 16:43 Watter
 
CrimsonPaw wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 15:56:
If they go down that road, they'd better be ready to drop the price of titles considerably to make up for the value lost to trade-ins.
That's the problem though. They have already taken quite a few consumer unfriendly actions in the name of reducing piracy or used game sales, but not once has that resulted in lower prices for purchasers of those games. Although few in number, the console games I do buy are almost always new, but I purchase them with the foreknowledge that I can resell them for at least 30% of my original cost, making the game really only cost me $40 or less. There's NO WAY in hell, I'm paying a "real" $60 for a console game, so I'll end up buying far fewer, if any console games. I don't actually think the publishers are as stupid as we think, so surely then know that what I've described here is true for some users. I can only guess that they feel the percentage of their customer base that will behave in this manner, i.e. buy fewer or no games, is much smaller than what I think it is.
 
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25. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 16:02 nin
 
If they go down that road, they'd better be ready to drop the price of titles considerably to make up for the value lost to trade-ins.

Which of course they won't.

 
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24. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 15:56 CrimsonPaw
 
dardin wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 12:33:
PC gaming has already been doing this for years now. Pretty much every new PC game requires you to activate it through some online service (battlenet, steam, origin), locking that copy to you and making it have no resell value. So if this is the death knell of console gaming and there is no alternative then where are people going to migrate to for their gaming fix?
I've really got no problem with not being able to sell back a game; in fact I know that going into each Steam purchase I make. I think the big difference is that with Steam, I've gotten most games for between $2 and $10 - a price I can live with and don't feel the need to sell back to not feel ape raped by new game prices. If they go down that road, they'd better be ready to drop the price of titles considerably to make up for the value lost to trade-ins.
 
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23. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 15:40 Axis
 
Creston wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 15:16:
ViRGE wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 14:55:
Creston wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 13:13:
I think the Wii-U also does the whole "tied to one console" bullshit, right?
Only for downloads. There's no kind of locking on the discs themselves.

Ah, okay. I guess Nintendo might find themselves with a lot of console sales this Christmas, if the rumors about MS and Sony prove to be true. I'd definitely advertise the shit out of it if I was them.

Creston

No, only for accounts. They already confirmed the games will be account-tied ONLY, the way it's setup now is temporary.
 
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22. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 15:16 Creston
 
ViRGE wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 14:55:
Creston wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 13:13:
I think the Wii-U also does the whole "tied to one console" bullshit, right?
Only for downloads. There's no kind of locking on the discs themselves.

Ah, okay. I guess Nintendo might find themselves with a lot of console sales this Christmas, if the rumors about MS and Sony prove to be true. I'd definitely advertise the shit out of it if I was them.

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21. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 14:55 ViRGE
 
Creston wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 13:13:
I think the Wii-U also does the whole "tied to one console" bullshit, right?
Only for downloads. There's no kind of locking on the discs themselves.
 
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20. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 14:22 Acleacius
 
Why Microsoft Got Into The Console Business
I'm 99% sure this is bullshit, but will wait to see the full interview. The threat to the PC only came after m$ bribed, bulled and beat PC developers into submission. Not only did it threaten the PC but the quality of games and software development as a whole. It brought on the institutionalization of development with almost slave like conditions for developers, low quality shovelware and retail release in beta state or worst.

Greed at a corporate level, global profit at the expense of humanity.
 
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.That is easy.All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.It works the same way in any country.
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19. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 13:16 Creston
 
dardin wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 12:27:
I disagree that there will be fewer games developed as a result of this. This type of feature is something the publishers want. They want to lock each copy of a game sold to one console. They currently do not make any money off the resell market. Killing off that market means the possibility of increased retail sales which they get money from.

Now if consumers are so turned off by this that they refuse to buy a console doing this, that would cause fewer games to be developed.


The thing is that killing the used market will very likely not lead to increased retail sales. A lot of console users buy new games because they get 25-30 bucks back for their old game when they go buy the new one. If that possibility evaporates, few of them are going to be coughing up 60 bucks as often as they used to.

But this is the kind of logic that no publisher understands, because they're fucking retarded. To them, it's apparently better to sell much fewer games and kill the used market than it is to sell more games and accept that some people will buy used only.

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18. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 13:13 Creston
 
dardin wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 12:33:
Cutter wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 10:07:
I agree. I hope Sony and MS are stupid enough to require always on and ban used game sales because that really will be the death knell for console gaming. These are going to be the last consoles regardless.

Lets just say the big two both do this. I am curious what you think would then replace console gaming?

PC gaming has already been doing this for years now. Pretty much every new PC game requires you to activate it through some online service (battlenet, steam, origin), locking that copy to you and making it have no resell value. So if this is the death knell of console gaming and there is no alternative then where are people going to migrate to for their gaming fix?


The Ouya, of course! Giggle

I think the Wii-U also does the whole "tied to one console" bullshit, right?

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17. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 12:38 Verno
 
Whoops double post.  
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16. Re: Morning Consolidation Feb 7, 2013, 12:36 Verno
 
dardin wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 12:27:
Now if consumers are so turned off by this that they refuse to buy a console doing this, that would cause fewer games to be developed.

That was the whole premise though People buy less games overall, only getting their favorites or guaranteed hits which in turn causes less titles to be developed and even more revenue/product concentration.

If they do go this route I can't see MS/Sony wanting to piss off both the consumer AND gamestop, it would be suicidal. They will likely sell activation codes or passes for each title so that second hand sellers/buyers still have options and so they can avoid lawsuits in the EU/etc.

If Microsoft wants to basically make the Xbox into Steam then they also need to do what Steam does and have frequent sales and better prices overall. They also need Gamestop or they are fucked.

PC gaming has already been doing this for years now. Pretty much every new PC game requires you to activate it through some online service (battlenet, steam, origin), locking that copy to you and making it have no resell value. So if this is the death knell of console gaming and there is no alternative then where are people going to migrate to for their gaming fix?

It's a large entertainment market these days, games compete for attention with streaming video, ebooks, mobiles, portables, etc. It might not be PC gaming but people will find entertainment if they want it. Many of those platforms have gaming markets. Plus there's always Nintendo. But hey who knows, with Valve putting out a Steam Box it might be PC gaming after all (although it has the same resale issues, at least the prices would be better)

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