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Steam in Hot Water in the EU?

A This recent article follows on news from last year of a possible legal battle over the inability to resell games bought via Steam, which conflicts with a recent EU legal ruling. Word is the VZBV has filed a complaint in a Berlin district court over this. GameSpot has a response from Valve to this, as the company says it has not received a formal notice about his. "We are aware of the press release about the lawsuit filed by the VZBV, but we have not yet seen the actual complaint," Valve said. "That said, we understand the complaint is somehow regarding the transferability of Steam accounts, despite the fact that this issue has already been ruled upon favorably to Valve in a prior case between Valve and the VZBV by the German supreme court. For now, we are continuing to extend the Steam services to gamers in Germany and around the world."

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8. Re: Steam in Hot Water in the EU? Feb 1, 2013, 22:26 TheEmissary
 
deqer wrote on Feb 1, 2013, 22:05:
TheEmissary wrote on Feb 1, 2013, 21:00:

That is great and all for older titles and console games but not so much for modern PC games. Most games lately are tied in to storefront/drm/middleware like steam.
So? So what? Your point?
Just don't play them then. What? Is this some type of crack that we can't live without? So, are you saying that once micro-transactions hit games, that we should play those games too because that's what's modern and we have no other choice?

Each time you play modern games, you are supporting a bad business model; you are being taken advantage of by the companies; and yet you don't think twice about it. You just eat it up?

Godddd, humans are dumb.

You own the storage medium you don't own the conten ...
oh, shut the **** up already. brown noser.

Good grief. How exactly is it brown nosing to know the difference between actual ownership and holding a license. None of us own the exclusive rights to an IP to even claim we own it. We have the rights over the storage and physical aspects of it nothing more. This fact just gets more murky with digital only products.

I really dislike the draconian DRM as much the next person. I would prefer to have some games decoupled away from storefronts like Origin as well.

First of all play what you want to play. If you want to stick to DRM free indie games or games prior to 2006 that is your choice. There aren't a whole lot of PC games lately that isn't tied in to some type of service even if they are sold on a disc.
 
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7. Re: Steam in Hot Water in the EU? Feb 1, 2013, 22:17 Dev
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Feb 1, 2013, 22:07:
Dev wrote on Feb 1, 2013, 21:50:
Better check that EULA again.
EULA's aren't binding in most places.
Pretty sure they are. And even when specific pieces are found that aren't binding or violating the law, the EULA says the rest of it is.
 
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6. Re: Steam in Hot Water in the EU? Feb 1, 2013, 22:07 jdreyer
 
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5. Re: Steam in Hot Water in the EU? Feb 1, 2013, 22:07 Mashiki Amiketo
 
Dev wrote on Feb 1, 2013, 21:50:
Better check that EULA again.
EULA's aren't binding in most places.
 
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4. Re: Steam in Hot Water in the EU? Feb 1, 2013, 22:05 deqer
 
TheEmissary wrote on Feb 1, 2013, 21:00:

That is great and all for older titles and console games but not so much for modern PC games. Most games lately are tied in to storefront/drm/middleware like steam.
So? So what? Your point?
Just don't play them then. What? Is this some type of crack that we can't live without? So, are you saying that once micro-transactions hit games, that we should play those games too because that's what's modern and we have no other choice?

Each time you play modern games, you are supporting a bad business model; you are being taken advantage of by the companies; and yet you don't think twice about it. You just eat it up?

Godddd, humans are dumb.

You own the storage medium you don't own the conten ...
oh, be quiet already. brown noser.

This comment was edited on Feb 1, 2013, 23:00.
 
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3. Re: Steam in Hot Water in the EU? Feb 1, 2013, 21:50 Dev
 
I don't think this court case will go anywhere. I'm pretty sure the recent steam change to let people sell inventory items in the player marketplace was done in part because of that ruling as a first step. Likely all valve has to do is show they've made an effort to move in that direction and the case will be dismissed.
Closed Betas wrote on Feb 1, 2013, 20:53:
fuck steam, since i have left them, and went back to physical copies, life has been so much merrier... In fact, I am spending less on physical these days.. And the software is mine, not rented.
Better check that EULA again.
 
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2. Re: Steam in Hot Water in the EU? Feb 1, 2013, 21:00 TheEmissary
 
Closed Betas wrote on Feb 1, 2013, 20:53:
fuck steam, since i have left them, and went back to physical copies, life has been so much merrier... In fact, I am spending less on physical these days.. And the software is mine, not rented.

That is great and all for older titles and console games but not so much for modern PC games. Most games lately are tied in to storefront/drm/middleware like steam.

You own the storage medium you don't own the contents. Same as with any other medium. Really what you are getting annoyed with is the DRM. Not the fact that it is digital.
 
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1. Re: Steam in Hot Water in the EU? Feb 1, 2013, 20:53 Closed Betas
 
fuck steam, since i have left them, and went back to physical copies, life has been so much merrier... In fact, I am spending less on physical these days.. And the software is mine, not rented.
 
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