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Crysis 3 Crisis Averted

The Terms of Service for the new Crysis 3 open beta includes language about banning players for not reporting bugs, recalling the recently quelled controversy over the SimCity beta ToS threating a mab from all EA games for failure to report bugs. This new End-User License Agreement issue apparently has the same resolution as the previous one, as games.on.net notes a tweet explaining: "We did - it was baked into the Beta before we realized it had the 'Bug Ban' clause. We aren't enforcing that." They also link a follow-up tweet saying: "We'll be releasing a blog post about that soon, but for now rest assured we aren't banning players for finding bugs." So we now know why EULAs and ToSes are so lengthy: Even the people making the games can't be bothered to read the crap they let their lawyers stuff into them.

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5. Re: Crysis 3 Crisis Averted Jan 30, 2013, 09:46 Beamer
 
Kajetan wrote on Jan 30, 2013, 09:42:
dj LiTh wrote on Jan 30, 2013, 09:17:
So they arent changing the EULA but they arent enforcing it? Is that like reserving the option to fuck you in the ass?
That is in most cases the advise of the legal department. Never admit you are wrong. NEVER!

I experienced the same clusterfuck years ago, when the company laywers went crazy with the new TOS for our products. Customers, who actually read this shit were confused and/or angry. Very bad press was generated. Only after a few court proceedings were lost, the TOS finally changed.

The legal department? Everything was smooth, nobody of THEM faced any consequences. Instead the companies executives tried to blame customer service and public relations for doing a bad job in defending the company.

Because, from their perspective, it's better to ask for too much in the ToS and be forced to cut it than to ask for too little and either give up something critical or get sued for doing something necessary.

Law is all about risk management, and it's far less risky to screw up by asking for too much than screw up by asking for too little.

Again, like I said in the SC5 thread, it isn't difficult to see where lawyers come from here. When a bug exploiter gets banned the first thing they'll do is claim they didn't exploit the bug. If the bar for banning is below exploitation then it's harder for them to defend themselves. No one ever, ever plans to enforce the "banned for not reporting a bug," but if the burden of proof is just "you knew about it" rather than "you actively exploited it" then it's much easier to give them the boot.
Or so the thinking from lawyers go.

Most of the most egregious stuff in ToS or EULAs aren't there so you can be fucked over, they're there to cover the company's ass.

Which, as I said in the other thread, doesn't mean you shouldn't argue it and fight it, but it's tiresome to hear "OMG THEY WANT TO BONE US IN THE BUTT!" when no one ever actually planned on doing that and the people who would be responsible for doing such boning have no clue the language is even in there.
 
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