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16. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 11:05 Beamer
 
Verno wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 11:04:
sauron wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 10:52:

I was looking at a Surface tablet the other day and found myself thinking it was pretty good. I actually had to pause to think that this might be a Microsoft product I didn't hate. It was really surprising.

The feeling goes away after continued use of bumping into the artificial ARM platform limitations. I ended up returning mine.

What do you mean "artificial?"

I didn't budge on the RT for the same reason my only tablet is a $99 TouchPad - they're just not good for most of what I use any device for. Definitely ARM limitations. Just not sure what you mean by artificial. Seems inherent to ARM.
 
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15. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 11:04 Verno
 
sauron wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 10:52:

I was looking at a Surface tablet the other day and found myself thinking it was pretty good. I actually had to pause to think that this might be a Microsoft product I didn't hate. It was really surprising.

The feeling goes away after continued use due to bumping into the artificial ARM platform limitations, someone sorted hacked in the ability to run your own compiled ones but it's really cumbersome. I ended up returning mine. Surface Pro might be alright but for $999, fuuuck that. OEMs are already coming up with better designs IMHO.
 
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14. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 10:52 sauron
 
Verno wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:47:
People can list dozens of failed Microsoft products and branding efforts, the Xbox is the only consumer related entry that people don't loathe.

I was looking at a Surface tablet the other day and found myself thinking it was pretty good. I actually had to pause to think that this might be a Microsoft product I didn't hate. It was really surprising.
 
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13. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 10:48 sauron
 
nin wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:30:
Report: Next Xbox to simply be named 'Xbox'.

I see MS Marketing hasn't lost it's touch...

I was hoping the new platform would be more heavily targeted towards adults. Then they could've called it the XXXBoxxx.

Then again, given the size of the controllers they could probably do that anyway.
 
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12. More Dragon's Dogma... Jan 23, 2013, 10:38 Jivaro
 
I keep meaning to pick this game up. Everyone I know says I will love it and I keep putting it off. I guess I had better get on it before April.  
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11. XBOX naming.. Jan 23, 2013, 10:35 Jivaro
 
Works for Apple...and cars....

Personally I prefer when companies clearly differentiate between generations of products, even versions of products. Conversations that go something like this tend to happen when you use one name for multiple generations of electronic hardware: "Oh, you have the first *new* XBOX? You need the second one or newer to be able to run that game." or "The new XBOX OS doesn't work on the first generation of *new* XBOX, it only runs on the 2nd or 3rd generation."

Then again, given Apple's success and some of the recent MS decisions, it isn't all that shocking that they would decide to imitate Apple in this way.
 
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10. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 10:31 Beamer
 
Kajetan wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 10:26:
nin wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:30:
Report: Next Xbox to simply be named 'Xbox'.
I see MS Marketing hasn't lost it's touch...
Its consistent incompetence at work. MS branding policy is one of the worst i've ever seen. They throw away well established brand names for some shit they throw away a few years later, only to be replaced by some other mumbojumbo no one cares about. And now they just name the third console like the first, because ... well, because they can.

I suspected the next name would be XBOX 8, but MS proved me wrong

The issue with Xbox 8 is that they hope to have it last through Windows/WP 8,9, probably 10 and maybe 11.

But otherwise yeah, it'd make perfect sense for what they're doing with their entire branding.
 
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9. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 10:31 nin
 
Its consistent incompetence at work. MS branding policy is one of the worst i've ever seen.

Pretty much. They expect the word Microsoft to carry more weight, and while it does, it's a negative and not positive.

 
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8. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 10:26 Kajetan
 
nin wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:30:
Report: Next Xbox to simply be named 'Xbox'.
I see MS Marketing hasn't lost it's touch...
Its consistent incompetence at work. MS branding policy is one of the worst i've ever seen. They throw away well established brand names for some shit they throw away a few years later, only to be replaced by some other mumbojumbo no one cares about. And now they just name the third console like the first, because ... well, because they can.

I suspected the next name would be XBOX 8, but MS proved me wrong
 
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7. Re: More Big Picture Details Jan 23, 2013, 10:25 nin
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 10:06:
Beamer wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:35:
It makes some sense, though. I'm convinced Microsoft is trying to take Xbox everywhere. So rather than something being an "xbox 360" game, and playable on an xbox 360, it will just be an "Xbox game," and playable on anything Xbox compatible.

If they really wanted to do it well they'd do tiers, as others have mentioned here somewhere. Games are released for certain tiers, so for now something that runs RT or WP8 is Tier 1. The Xbox is Tier 2. A powerful PC today is Tier 3. A powerful PC tomorrow is Tier 4. When you look at a game you look at the tier. If it's equal to or lower than the tier of your device it can play that game.

So will Xbox games play on Xbox 360's? When I say Xbox, I mean the next gen, this is going to be fun I see. In your words Xbox games play on anything Xbox compatible, so I would assume the 360 is compatible, amiright? And the whole Xbox and Pc Xbox, I'll believe it when I see it working between both, as is.


Exactly...
 
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6. Re: More Big Picture Details Jan 23, 2013, 10:17 Beamer
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 10:06:
Beamer wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:35:
It makes some sense, though. I'm convinced Microsoft is trying to take Xbox everywhere. So rather than something being an "xbox 360" game, and playable on an xbox 360, it will just be an "Xbox game," and playable on anything Xbox compatible.

If they really wanted to do it well they'd do tiers, as others have mentioned here somewhere. Games are released for certain tiers, so for now something that runs RT or WP8 is Tier 1. The Xbox is Tier 2. A powerful PC today is Tier 3. A powerful PC tomorrow is Tier 4. When you look at a game you look at the tier. If it's equal to or lower than the tier of your device it can play that game.

So will Xbox games play on Xbox 360's? When I say Xbox, I mean the next gen, this is going to be fun I see. In your words Xbox games play on anything Xbox compatible, so I would assume the 360 is compatible, amiright? And the whole Xbox and Pc Xbox, I'll believe it when I see it working between both, as is.

No, 360 will be tier 0. Tier N/A. I think it will be left out.

You do have some XBLA games playable on Windows 8 right now, though. By and large they're crap, I think, but it's a sign of what's coming. How far Microsoft pushes is debatable, but if they're smart (arguable) they see the writing on the wall - dedicated consoles have one more generation left, and it may be a short one. May as well move the whole Xbox brand multiplatform while it still thrives. By detaching it from a specific box and making it just a brand name for games then Microsoft can reattach it to anything.

I've been saying for a long while that Windows 8 was designed specifically to let us start using a Game/App on our phone, move to our tablet, switch to the Xbox and finish on our desktop. That's still the plan. Just a question of whether this means real games or if it means Minesweeper.
 
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5. Re: More Big Picture Details Jan 23, 2013, 10:06 HorrorScope
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:35:
It makes some sense, though. I'm convinced Microsoft is trying to take Xbox everywhere. So rather than something being an "xbox 360" game, and playable on an xbox 360, it will just be an "Xbox game," and playable on anything Xbox compatible.

If they really wanted to do it well they'd do tiers, as others have mentioned here somewhere. Games are released for certain tiers, so for now something that runs RT or WP8 is Tier 1. The Xbox is Tier 2. A powerful PC today is Tier 3. A powerful PC tomorrow is Tier 4. When you look at a game you look at the tier. If it's equal to or lower than the tier of your device it can play that game.

So will Xbox games play on Xbox 360's? When I say Xbox, I mean the next gen, this is going to be fun I see. In your words Xbox games play on anything Xbox compatible, so I would assume the 360 is compatible, amiright? And the whole Xbox and Pc Xbox, I'll believe it when I see it working between both, as is.
 
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4. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 09:51 Beamer
 
Verno wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:47:
nin wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:30:
Report: Next Xbox to simply be named 'Xbox'.

I see MS Marketing hasn't lost it's touch...


It's literally the only successful consumer brand they've launched in 15 years, can you really blame them? People can list dozens of failed Microsoft products and branding efforts, the Xbox is the only consumer related entry that people don't loathe.

"Loathe" is pretty much right, too.

Thinking back of Microsoft products people don't loathe:
1) Windows, for about 5-10 years
2) DOS. No one loathed it, but no one really liked it
3) Paint!
4) Hotmail, until Gmail
5) Office, but arguably Excel is the only product that, uh, excels (sorry, had to)
6) Windows Phone. Like DOS, no one loathes it, but it isn't exactly widely appreciated. Still, if you're looking for a list of Microsoft brands that aren't loathed, you take what you can get rather than look for successes
 
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3. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 09:47 Verno
 
nin wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:30:
Report: Next Xbox to simply be named 'Xbox'.

I see MS Marketing hasn't lost it's touch...


It's literally the only successful consumer brand they've launched in 15 years, can you really blame them? People can list dozens of failed Microsoft products and branding efforts, the Xbox is the only consumer related entry that people don't loathe.
 
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2. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 09:35 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Jan 23, 2013, 09:30:
Report: Next Xbox to simply be named 'Xbox'.

I see MS Marketing hasn't lost it's touch...


It makes some sense, though. I'm convinced Microsoft is trying to take Xbox everywhere. So rather than something being an "xbox 360" game, and playable on an xbox 360, it will just be an "Xbox game," and playable on anything Xbox compatible.

If they really wanted to do it well they'd do tiers, as others have mentioned here somewhere. Games are released for certain tiers, so for now something that runs RT or WP8 is Tier 1. The Xbox is Tier 2. A powerful PC today is Tier 3. A powerful PC tomorrow is Tier 4. When you look at a game you look at the tier. If it's equal to or lower than the tier of your device it can play that game.
 
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1. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 23, 2013, 09:30 nin
 
Report: Next Xbox to simply be named 'Xbox'.

I see MS Marketing hasn't lost it's touch...

 
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