“It is understood and agreed that, as part of your participation in the Beta Program, it is your responsibility to report all known bugs, abuse of ‘bugs’, ‘undocumented features’ or other defects and problems related to the Game and Beta Software to EA as soon as they are found (“Bugs”). If you know about a Bug or have heard about a Bug and fail to report the Bug to EA, we reserve the right to treat you no differently from someone who abuses the Bug. You acknowledge that EA reserve the right to lock anyone caught abusing a Bug out of all EA products.”
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 20, 2013, 18:17:There's that prototype that doublefine just finished making. Push for that to become a full game
Hehe, I browsed the list, found I know all of the (windows) ones.. how sad. I wish there was a proper (science fiction) space and planetary base simulation. Like.. ehm what was it called... Startopia? Just much larger in scale.
entr0py wrote on Jan 20, 2013, 18:37:Well if you are willing to take that chance with your main origin account, go for it. I'd much rather create and use another account.
Seems like whoever wrote those terms was afraid of bad publicity caused by exploits before release. And they're right to be; one consequence of making the game online only is that customers will get irritated by cheats and hacks.
But actually following through with a universal ban for screwing around in a beta test would cause far more bad press then it prevents. I think it's an empty threat.
Stormsinger wrote on Jan 22, 2013, 22:23:
Seriously...it's attacks against the posters I'm talking about. I can't imagine why you think it's okay to be nasty to someone just because they have a different opinion than yours, but whatever.
After almost six years, you guys win, I'm outta here.
Stormsinger wrote on Jan 22, 2013, 22:23:
Seriously...it's attacks against the posters I'm talking about. I can't imagine why you think it's okay to be nasty to someone just because they have a different opinion than yours, but whatever.
After almost six years, you guys win, I'm outta here.
nin wrote on Jan 22, 2013, 08:41:Stormsinger wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 22:46:
I can't imagine how I ever got the idea that these forums have been getting toxic lately.
Feel free to raise the thread to your level of genius, champ.
Prez wrote on Jan 22, 2013, 00:38:
Jesus, you'd have to be the thinnest skinned person here to consider this thread "toxic". It isn't like a company threatening its beta testers who are performing a service for them with losing access to all the games that they paid for simply for failing to report a bug in one game isn't grounds for some pretty righteous anger.
Stormsinger wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 22:46:
I can't imagine how I ever got the idea that these forums have been getting toxic lately.
Satoru wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 13:05:
My point was that people think EULA are illegal. They are not as they are contracts. Specific provisions may be unenforceable depending on the clause or local law, but even that in no way makes them "illegal". People need to get it into their brains that EULA are contracts an are enforceable world wide.
Verno wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 10:19:Satoru wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 09:56:
EULA are 100% legal in all countries it is a legal contract.
Unless you can point to a specific provision and to what local law it violates they are legal. No matter what you think they are legal and enforceable.
You can put whatever you want into an EULA, it doesn't mean it will hold up under scrutiny and judgment. Saying something is 100% legal in all countries is an over generalization too.
gray wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 08:06:
EA seem to have misunderstood the nature of the service that Beta Testers are proving.
Verno wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 09:46:
What else can they do to make me want Simcity less? Mandatory enemas?
Satoru wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 09:56:
EULA are 100% legal in all countries it is a legal contract.
Unless you can point to a specific provision and to what local law it violates they are legal. No matter what you think they are legal and enforceable.
Domgrief wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 04:10:Rattlehead wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 01:53:
These EULA's or TOS can't be legal...can they?
That probably depends on which country you live in and/or which court you take it up with (I know the EA TOS states that you have to use the North Californian court system, but that clause is probably illegal in a bunch of places too).
It seems like there's absolutely no downside for companies like EA to put illegal, one-sided garbage into their EULAs.
Rattlehead wrote on Jan 21, 2013, 01:53:
These EULA's or TOS can't be legal...can they?