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We had a surprise this morning, as we got hit by a snow storm overnight. I think it was a surprise at least, I don't actually pay that much attention to the weather. The good news for me was that MrsBlue needed to get such an early start that it was impractical for me to shovel us out in the pre-dawn darkness, so she took a taxi, allowing me to get to clearing our snow in a more leisurely manner.

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46. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2013, 17:17 Jivaro
 
Creston wrote on Jan 17, 2013, 15:59:
Jivaro wrote on Jan 17, 2013, 12:04:
I guess I am of the opinion that I don't want the states using a subjective moral compass to decide who is fit to be a teacher and who is not.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they already do that anyways. My wife interviewed with five different teachers, all of whom gave an opinion on whether they liked her or not, and if she'd had one "I don't like her", she wouldn't have gotten the job. (and let's be honest, how is this any different from a corporation refusing to hire someone, or firing them, over a Facebook photo?)

Again, I see the argument, and I don't feel that ex-porn stars should be shunned or anything, but we're not talking about a job as a grocery clerk, we're talking about someone who a community, in essence, expects to raise their children for them.

Creston

a) You aren't breaking news to me. I come from a family of teachers, I have taught. I know the system in California particularly well, but in a few other places as well. I am not claiming to be an expert, I have never hired or fired a teacher, but obviously I have quite a bit of the teacher's perspective as part of my life experience.

b) It isn't about a popularity contest. Just like many other jobs you are interviewed by potential co-workers and supervisors as part of a competency screening. Sure, personality and presentation are part of it but none of those teachers can walk out and say "She seems like a bitch, I wouldn't hire her." If they ask questions about how you would handle various scenarios and your answers don't mesh with the policies and philosophies of the school then sure, you aren't getting the job. What your wife went through is not the same as a court deciding on who should be hired and fired based on whether or not a particular judge(s) approves of your previous career. That is letting established and successful employees help the school district find more employees that present themselves in a way that indicates they will also be successful. I guess if there is a similarity, it would be that at least a vocal part of the faculty seems to agree that she should not be teaching at that particular school because they feel her ability to control the classroom is compromised....which means that if they had known she had done porn at the interview process they would have recommended against hiring her.

c) Part of the problem is that parents are expecting teachers to raise their children. Just saying.

Anyway, the decision is made and while I disagree with the court or government enforcing something like this, I would agree that if the school itself and it's faculty agree that she is disruptive to the learning process that it seems counter-productive for her to continue teaching there. After all, they didn't say she couldn't teach, they basically said the school has the right to not have her teach there.

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45. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2013, 15:59 Creston
 
Jivaro wrote on Jan 17, 2013, 12:04:
I guess I am of the opinion that I don't want the states using a subjective moral compass to decide who is fit to be a teacher and who is not.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they already do that anyways. My wife interviewed with five different teachers, all of whom gave an opinion on whether they liked her or not, and if she'd had one "I don't like her", she wouldn't have gotten the job. (and let's be honest, how is this any different from a corporation refusing to hire someone, or firing them, over a Facebook photo?)

Again, I see the argument, and I don't feel that ex-porn stars should be shunned or anything, but we're not talking about a job as a grocery clerk, we're talking about someone who a community, in essence, expects to raise their children for them.

Creston
 
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44. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2013, 14:05 Verno
 
Prez wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 19:09:
So she was a porn star in the past. And that matters why? It's only a 'distraction' to the hyporcrites who think teachers should be squeaky clean role models while they watch hours of porn on the net at home, which is how she was found out in the first place.

It's the kids. Let's assume the parents can get over themselves and forget it, the kids never would. Can you imagine trying to teach a class where kids are literally playing back your porn escapades on their phone? It is a huge problem, nothing would get done in that classroom. If kids don't respect you as an authority figure then you will never get anything done, that's one thing I'm learning about being a parent and its even more important for a teacher.

I still think she should be able to transfer somewhere else and teach with a different name. She earned her second chance.
 
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43. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2013, 12:55 Beamer
 
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42. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2013, 12:04 Jivaro
 
Creston wrote on Jan 17, 2013, 10:47:
Yeah, I can see both sides of the argument. While it sucks for this woman, and I don't think there should be a stigma attached to having been in porn, I can see a community not wanting to have to deal with that in its teachers.

Creston

I guess I am of the opinion that I don't want the states using a subjective moral compass to decide who is fit to be a teacher and who is not. If a private school wants to enforce those kinds of things I believe that is within their rights, but a public school? While I definitely see the argument that the teacher's ability to control the classroom is compromised the basis of hiring or firing a teacher based on a previous job that was not illegal is a line I am not sure I want anything having to do with the State or Federal government crossing.

Hypothetical: If a teacher who is a woman has a twin sister that does porn...can the teacher be fired? Theoretically her ability to control the classroom would be just as compromised right?

We already make it pretty hard for people with a criminal record to progress very far in communities because of the stigma attached to having been in prison or committing a crime. I am not saying that is necessarily unfair, I am just saying that if we start doing the same thing with a subjective moral compass enforced by that same court system...it is a slippery slope.
 
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41. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2013, 11:58 BobBob
 
Creston wrote on Jan 17, 2013, 10:47:
Yeah, I can see both sides of the argument. While it sucks for this woman, and I don't think there should be a stigma attached to having been in porn, I can see a community not wanting to have to deal with that in its teachers.

Creston

Too bad she can't become a Catholic priest.
 
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40. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2013, 10:47 Creston
 
Yeah, I can see both sides of the argument. While it sucks for this woman, and I don't think there should be a stigma attached to having been in porn, I can see a community not wanting to have to deal with that in its teachers.

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39. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2013, 08:19 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 16:44:
Beamer wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 14:57:
A friend of mine was topless in a movie about a bong possessed by the devil. She's now a teacher. I always wonder how that hasn't come back to haunt her.

I think even here in the US there's still a pretty big difference between being topless in a movie (or being a stripper), or doing soft-core movies (never seems to have hurt Alyssa Milano any), versus being in actual 'porn.'

Creston

Though I agree, what matters is a teacher's credibility to her students. Do the students really see a big difference there?

Alyssa Milano never had to control a room of 20-30 preteen nutcases going through puberty. I have no moral problem with people who do porn, obviously. But I can also imagine if we'd found out freshman year that our English teacher had been naked somewhere and tracked down footage. It would not have gone overly well for her. And we were a well behaved class...

Something like this can prevent a teacher from being able to do her job well. If the kids don't respect her, they won't listen to her, and something like this can completely destroy the respect the students have. Not because being in porn is bad, though people can argue that if they choose, but because kids are nut desperate for anything to bring down an authority figure.
 
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38. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2013, 06:26 InBlack
 
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Im not a US citizen so I cant sign, but I urge those who are to do so.
 
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37. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 23:12 jdreyer
 
Prez wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 19:09:
So she was a porn star in the past. And that matters why? It's only a 'distraction' to the hyporcrites who think teachers should be squeaky clean role models while they watch hours of porn on the net at home, which is how she was found out in the first place.

This, exactly.
 
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36. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 21:07 Mordecai Walfish
 
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35. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 19:09 Prez
 
So she was a porn star in the past. And that matters why? It's only a 'distraction' to the hyporcrites who think teachers should be squeaky clean role models while they watch hours of porn on the net at home, which is how she was found out in the first place.  
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34. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 16:44 Creston
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 14:57:
A friend of mine was topless in a movie about a bong possessed by the devil. She's now a teacher. I always wonder how that hasn't come back to haunt her.

I think even here in the US there's still a pretty big difference between being topless in a movie (or being a stripper), or doing soft-core movies (never seems to have hurt Alyssa Milano any), versus being in actual 'porn.'

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33. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 16:42 Creston
 
Cutter wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 15:08:
Dude, I'm not the one turning molehills into mountains with sensationalist claims like "Obama is going after the guns!" I'm merely being fatuous to point out just how ludicrous such sensationalist claims are. That's Faux News type shit, Creston and you know it.

I'm not going to go into it, since I personally really don't give two shits about gun control in any way, shape or form, but Obama/the president said he was going to do something about mass killings, and the thing he's doing is basically gun control. I could have said "Obama enacting gun control." I thought my headline was a bit funnier.

:-shrug-:

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32. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 16:05 SimplyMonk
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 14:57:
A friend of mine was topless in a movie about a bong possessed by the devil. She's now a teacher. I always wonder how that hasn't come back to haunt her.

Because her student's don't have copies of that movie on their smartphones?
 
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31. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 15:57 jdreyer
 
I hope that teacher can get the decision overturned on appeal. You would think if any state would be okay with that it would be California.

Funny part in the article, the administration can't find any nude pics of her using school computers, because school computers block all pr0n.

If she loses appeal, maybe she can do a legal name change and try a different state.
 
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30. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 15:13 BobBob
 
Robitaille20 wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 12:05:
Hey Blue- what part of New York are you in? I'm a recent transplant to the area from California- just finished a marathon session of shoveling here in the Glens Falls area.

Why would anyone move from California?

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29. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 15:08 Cutter
 
Creston wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 15:03:
Cutter wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 14:50:
Creston wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 13:43:
Obama's going after the guns!

I'm not really sure this is going to do anything, though having the CDC perform research should at least hopefully once and for all stop people pointing the finger at videogames.

Creston

Yep, any day now the goon squads will be kicking in your doors at 3 am and drag your families out into the streets as they ransack your homes and cart your guns away. You'll then be enslaved to work in the salt mines for the rest of your lives. Goddamned liberals!

Easy, Cutter. Just breathe. There's a good boy.

Creston

Dude, I'm not the one turning molehills into mountains with sensationalist claims like "Obama is going after the guns!" I'm merely being fatuous to point out just how ludicrous such sensationalist claims are. That's Faux News type shit, Creston and you know it.
 
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28. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 15:07 Creston
 
nin wrote on Jan 16, 2013, 14:54:
I'm not trying to be negative towards you personally, I'm just leery of Yet Another Political Thread.


No worries. I don't really even care about the gun thing, but I do think Obama asking the CDC to do research into this is a good move. First off, the CDC has no stake in this, so I think we can count on them to perform an unbiased study. Second, I think the CDC will do a good job, as they're a highly scientific outfit.

Once they get a result, it'll be a result that hopefully everyone can then use to guide future discussions/rage-fests/hopeless complaints, rather than the umpteen different researches done by hopelessly biased or just-plain-poor outfits done so far.

The only downside I can see is that the CDC is likely going to take years to come up with an answer.

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27. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2013, 15:06 Cutter
 
I forget who pointed out Waterfox but thanks for that. Finally got around to installing it and it's hella faster than Firefox!
 
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