RollinThundr wrote on Jan 11, 2013, 14:18:

Beamer wrote on Jan 11, 2013, 13:42:

RollinThundr wrote on Jan 11, 2013, 12:31:
Look at the list of people performing these shootings, most if not all of them were/are on medications and have mental disorders. So what's more rational, making knee jerk reactions calling for gun bans, rather than look at the symptoms of why these shootings are happening is like putting a bandaid on someone who's arm just got cut off with a chainsaw.

So what's your solution? Yes, most of them have been depressed and on medication. Obviously there's an issue there. Those that weren't on medication were likely just undiagnosed.

But what's your solution? How do you turn the knowledge that some depressed and medicated people buy guns and shoot up public places into stopping this from happening? Do you take the right to buy guns from these people? Well, it's a right, so that'd be difficult, the NRA would still oppose it, and many of them took guns someone else purchased, anyway. Do you lock these people up? Well, that seems easy to abuse and the vast majority of mentally ill people never go on murder sprees. Do you spend more on treatment? That doesn't help the undiagnosed, and I thought you opposed government spending? Our medical health institutions, which were fairly rotten to begin with, were all cut decades ago to decrease government spending.

What is your solution? There are only a few levers we're capable of pulling. Making acquiring guns more difficult seems to be a lever that would have an impact and is one we can easily pull. Can we get rid of all guns? No, and that'd be stupid, anyway. But can we make it more difficult for high capacity magazines to be acquired? Hell yeah.

The NRA advocates safety training and using arms carefully without trampling over the 2nd amendment. The mother in the case of the CT school shooting should not have had guns in the house around her mentally ill son, was her mistake the NRA's fault? Is it every responsible gun owner's fault? I have no issue with more extensive background checks if it's going to keep mentally ill folks from shooting up schools and movie theaters, I don't however support outright bans that won't help a single iota. Perhaps looking at ways to improve treatment of mental health issues rather than just shoving some pills down people's throats and calling it a day wouldn't hurt either.

Banning 30 round clips isn't going to stop some nutbag from shooting people or modifying a gun to fire fully automatic, An AR-15 stock is a semi automatic, not fully auto, it's a total knee jerk reaction to make those on the left who are anti gun feel good.

When you have those on the left like Piers Morgan claiming to respect the 2nd amendment, then in the same breath referring to the Constitution as "your little book" while using dead children as a platform to spew anti gun bullshit and subsequently getting owned by anyone he debates with about the topic, it says to me alot what those in the liberal media think about the Constitution.

It's also interesting to me that the places where these incidents are taking place tend to have no carry laws already on the books and are generally majority democrat states.