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Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed

There are threads in the Diablo III Forums about players exploiting the way vote kick mechanics work in Blizzard's action/RPG sequel to get other players killed, which is a particular problem in Hardcore, where character death is permanent. A post by Blizzard responds to this situation saying this unintended form of PvP griefiing will be addressed ASAP:

Ehhh. While the advice "don't play in Hardcore public games" may be valid in a number of situations, we recognize that this is a legitimate issue for Hardcore players and want to address it ASAP -- ideally in a way that doesn't impact co-op play (or impacts it as minimally as possible).

Right now, we're looking to remove the 10-second movement lockout whenever a Vote Kick is passed from both Hardcore and Normal modes. While we realize this solution may allow players to exploit the Vote Kick function to avoid death, it's not a very reliable survival technique and we feel that it's a better alternative than players losing a character they've invested a lot of time into due to griefing. We'll definitely be keeping on an eye on this, though, and will consider other solutions if necessary.

I don't know yet if this is something that can be addressed via hotfix; it may be a fix that we need to implement with a client-side patch. We're still working out the details, and I'll provide an update once there's any more info to share.

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30. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 10:43 Theo
 
InBlack wrote on Jan 9, 2013, 10:22:
It just means its not as good as D2.

Exactly. Its not as good as D2, which is exactly why I and most nearly everyone else who spent any ammount of time with D2 is calling it trash.

TL2 has a cartoony look I dont like. I might try PoE once it is finished but what really irks me is that they fucked up the Diablo IP beyond all repair. I sure as hell am not going to buy Diablo4 at launch. Are you?

by the time its out mate ill probably be dead ;-) its not like blizzard dev things quickly

ill buy the expansion if that answers your question; personally i still play not regular, but prolly once a week, mainly hardcore only seen as that was the best way to play d2, and its the best way to play d3 I sometimes grind inferno on my 60 for laughs with a mate, it can be fun if you turn up the MP levels (and gets it back to challenging levels that we had pre all the pubbie tools bitching it was to hard)..



 
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29. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 10:22 InBlack
 
It just means its not as good as D2.

Exactly. Its not as good as D2, which is exactly why I and most nearly everyone else who spent any ammount of time with D2 is calling it trash.

TL2 has a cartoony look I dont like. I might try PoE once it is finished but what really irks me is that they fucked up the Diablo IP beyond all repair. I sure as hell am not going to buy Diablo4 at launch. Are you?
 
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28. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 09:48 Theo
 
InBlack wrote on Jan 9, 2013, 08:03:
I could go on, but really is there a point? D3 is simply inferior to D2 in every way and for a game that sold so many units on HYPE alone that is unacceptable.

you dont understand, at all. My point is no matter how much of a point you have that doesnt make it "trash" or "the worst game ever", or any of the other acustations that are leveled at the game. It just means its not as good as D2.

Thats it; thats all i am trying to point out.

BTW i agree with ... points, 4 5 and 6.

point1 is just vague, point2 has 3 incorrect statements, and one correct statement. point3 was true at launch; less so now (look @ the hardcore AH if you would like a better view of lower level gear).

etc, see we could argue this to kingdom come, but you are totally unable to talk about the game in a reasonable manner without being sensationalist.

Anyhow; if you really like ARPGs and D3 isnt your thing you should checkout PoE (i might have a invite left not sure, will check tonight), or TL2. TL2 is awsome, PoE is feature rich, but mechanically a bit of a mess.
 
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27. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 08:41 nin
 
Excuse my ignorance, but I havent played this game since June last year.

Same here, one month and done. Amazed I lasted that long...

 
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26. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 08:03 InBlack
 
Im not going to go into why the whole argument "but D2 was CRAP until 1.10" is beside the point. This is the lamest excuse ever. This excuse might fly if Diablo3 was developed by a company OHTER than Blizzard. This is Blizzard we are talking about here, a company that was supposed to care about its IPs.

Let me just put it this way. Diablo3 isnt an improvement over Diablo2:LOD 1.10. (Or even the Vanilla Diablo2 IMO) In fact it has taken a step back in almost every single regard.

Im going to list just a few points although there are far more:

1. Battle.net 2.0 SUCKS MAJOR BALLS: (Im sure most will agree with me on this) Compared to the oldschool bnet from Diablo2 its a HUGE step back, and one of the worst offenders of all.

2. Game hosting/joining (look under1) Once again we are stuck with a retarded matchmaker that makes no sense, we cant make private games, we cant join public ones, we cant name games, we cant progress through the entire game etc. etc. the list just goes on with the fuckups that can be piled on here.

3. Itemization: An overabundance of mediocre gear with extremely rare good gear at inferno levels. This is something that is integral to any ARPG and they totally failed. Even with the extra yellows that drop all over the place now, you cant really get even any 'decent' items unless you pack MF. Once again way to screw the pooch. D2 at least had mid level decent 'uniques' that although far from the best gear would allow for decent builds which could plow through content at the HELL dificulty.

4. Progression. Oh boy where to begin. There is none past lvl 60. As the game actively really only begins AT lvl 60 this is a serious major fail. And no PARAGON levels dont count, they can stick their paragon levels up their collective ass. Im talking about skill progression that allowed characters to become more powerful as they leveled REGARDLESS (Important!!) of the gear they may or may not have acquired. NOTE: D2 had this right from the start.

5. Monster population. D3 is a wasteland compared to the demon infested hordes of D2. Killing stuff is fun. Running through semi deserted levels is NOT.

6. Act size/variance/randomization. Ok lets compare ActIV Hell in D2 to ActIV Heaven in D3....no lets not. Because if we do we will all end up in hysterical fits wondering how the fuck this game spent 10 years in development.

I could go on, but really is there a point? D3 is simply inferior to D2 in every way and for a game that sold so many units on HYPE alone that is unacceptable.

I already gave my money to Blizzard for D3. Im not going to give them any more of my time.
 
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25. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 07:01 Theo
 
InBlack wrote on Jan 9, 2013, 06:37:
I really dont understand how you cant grasp why people are dissatisfied with D3. Its really simple. D2 set the goddamn bar SO HIGH that people expected D3 to be AT LEAST at that level and not a completely inferior one in almost every single respect (except for the graphics I guess). Is it clearer now?

You are missing my point, its ok to say "i played it, i didnt really like it, i preferred d2".

Most people arnt saying that however though are they? They are saying "OMFG, THIS GAME IS TRASH IS UTTERLY AWFUL", or words to that effect.

Sword of the stars2 on release was trash. It didnt work. WarZ compared to the advertised feature set is "trash", as it contained blatant lies in the advertising descriptions. ETC ETC. I have over 20 people on my friends list in d3, and 50% of them are in the camp of "this game is utter trash its the worst game all year" - i look @ the play time on those guys and most of them have over 100hours in the game; now tell me? why o why would you spend 100 hours on trash?

Its either, they are stupid, or its not trash at all simply it was, it was fun for a while, and then they had there fill.

My point is there is NOTHING wrong with not liking D3, thats fine; what i wrong is the whole internet sensationalist everything is black or white mentatlity.

Its infurating that people are that stupid. christ its even ok for someone to call the game trash if they picked it up played though normal and then decided they didnt like it, even then id say "trash" is a bit harsh, and really its just not the game they envisioned.

With regards to d2, i think lots of people who claim to be experts in d2 are talking out of there backsides frankly. Take it from someone that played more d2 than most people that game was fairly broken untill the expansion; and even then it was basically broken untill patch 1.10 when synergies somewhat fixed things.

Part of the whole d2 was awsome thing came form the fact it was the only game at the time really doing what it did; its part of the reason it gets looked back on with rose itnted goggles; cause if you examine the actaul mechanics, youd see d2 was a mess for quiet some time.

now dont get me wrong, i think the d3 mechanics are a mess, i think there are shit loads of problems; but calling a game trash when ive had over 100 hours on it is stupid.
 
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24. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 06:47 SM0k3
 
Diablow fails again.  
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23. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 06:37 InBlack
 
Theo wrote on Jan 9, 2013, 06:28:
Still playing crew checking in, Its sad that people do this to kill others HC chars. :-(

I like d3, always have, i think lots of the moaning about it is over the top, especially from people who put in 50 or 60 hours in to the game and then complain its a trash game? That says more about them than the game. Its not the game we all wanted but that doesnt make it terrible.

The main difference between PoE and D3 will be that when someone plays PoE for 40 hours, and then decides they have had enough they wont go around telling the world that its the worst game ever.

(PS: PoE is *OK*, nothing specially, but it is ok; TL2 is better imo, and D3 whilst having simpler mechanics has MUCH better combat).

(you know, like the people that loved every moment of Me3 untill the last 5 mins and then decided a bad end made the rest of the game totally unenjoyable).

I really dont understand how you cant grasp why people are dissatisfied with D3. Its really simple. D2 set the goddamn bar SO HIGH that people expected D3 to be AT LEAST at that level and not a completely inferior one in almost every single respect (except for the graphics I guess). Is it clearer now?
 
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22. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 06:28 Theo
 
Still playing crew checking in, Its sad that people do this to kill others HC chars. :-(

I like d3, always have, i think lots of the moaning about it is over the top, especially from people who put in 50 or 60 hours in to the game and then complain its a trash game? That says more about them than the game. Its not the game we all wanted but that doesnt make it terrible.

The main difference between PoE and D3 will be that when someone plays PoE for 40 hours, and then decides they have had enough they wont go around telling the world that its the worst game ever.

(PS: PoE is *OK*, nothing specially, but it is ok; TL2 is better imo, and D3 whilst having simpler mechanics has MUCH better combat).

(you know, like the people that loved every moment of Me3 untill the last 5 mins and then decided a bad end made the rest of the game totally unenjoyable).
 
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21. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 05:09 Muscular Beaver
 
I dont get it.
Exploit it to avoid death?
"QUICK EVERYONE VOTE ME OUT SO I CAN SURVIVE"
What?

Excuse my ignorance, but I havent played this game since June last year.
 
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20. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 9, 2013, 04:10 InBlack
 
Blizzard fails. Again. Hahahhaha. Couldnt they see that vote kicking exploit like a mile away??? Maybe if any of the developers actually played some Diablo2 and had a miligram of brain matter in their skulls...

Thats what you get for combining MMO mechanics with a traditional ARPG. Fuck you Blizzard, you deserve what exactly what you are getting...

 
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19. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 8, 2013, 23:03 Zadig
 
I had forgotten this game existed. If you're not on Steam or Amazon downloads, then you're completely invisible to me.  
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18. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 8, 2013, 22:07 Jivaro
 
OMG!!! I should have known that the problem wasn't that I didn't like the game...I am just butthurt! What was I thinking?! My butthurt awareness now being elevated, I should like the game much more. Thank you so much Malachii!

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Awesome Malachii, you enjoy the game. That makes you a satisfied customer, of which I know their are plenty of others. I personally have a 10+ item list of things I don't like about Diablo 3's game design and none of them have anything to do with grouping, selling items, or whether or not your butt hurts. It was a disappointing experience, but Path of Exile and Torchlight 2 have made it pretty easy to move on.

I compare it to meeting 3 girls at a bar and going home with the hot blonde only to find out that she has expensive taste in wine and is pretty boring in the sack. I then return to the bar and take home her redhead AND brunette friends and find out that not only are they more fun, but thanks to their love for microbreweries...they cost less too.

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17. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 8, 2013, 20:08 Dades
 
descender wrote on Jan 8, 2013, 14:52:
PVP was awesome in d2.

No, no it wasn't. It was completely unbalanced, buggy and broken. It still is. The difference was people didn't know these things mattered back then.

Sounds like Diablo 3 in general HTH.

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16. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 8, 2013, 19:50 Malachii
 
I know I may be the only Blues reader that likes this game (still) and enjoy about an hour of it an evening.(paragon 78)

After I hit 100, if there is no new content, I will finally be finished until an xpac hits. Many of you would like to make believe the game is dead and in fact, want it to die because of feeling butthurt or broken promises, etc. The game is still kickin it, I never have issues getting groups together for Ubers or selling items and quite honestly, much of the crowd left over is great and like minded and do not act like the world OWES them. To each his/her own :-)
 
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15. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 8, 2013, 17:29 Kosumo
 
Now that Path of Exile looks great from what I've seen (a friend is in the closed beta) I only hope that Diablo 3 underwelming reception does not put people of other action-RPG.  
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14. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 8, 2013, 16:44 Optional nickname
 
I voted as a player, to kick Blizzard merchandise out of my house, never to be welcomed back again.

Looking forward to Generals 2, Simcity (just because), Path of Exile, TL2 DLC, and more indie/Kickstarter games.
 
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13. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 8, 2013, 16:27 Wallshadows
 
Vote kick in a Diablo game makes about as much sense as everything else they've decided to do to make the third title a stinker. So I guess it's a decision that's par for the course.  
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12. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 8, 2013, 15:23 weens
 
'incoming update for diablo 3'......... and not a single f##k will be given that day...  
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11. Re: Diablo III Inadvertent PvP to be Fixed Jan 8, 2013, 15:14 Beamer
 
I don't see how PvP is fun in these games. It comes down to level, items, and holding down the left mouse button.

I know I'm generalizing, but not by much. Same reason I don't see the fun in MMO combat.


 
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