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23. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 14, 2012, 13:50 Lit_Reflex001
 
It's true that Wikipedia does have some accurate information.

The problem is that you cannot trust the general public to maintain an honest encyclopedia. There are countless articles that contain outright lies.

While there is accurate information I think it is not a good idea to use Wikipedia for anything. It is like going to a known liar for information: it is a bad idea even if there are certain topics with a low chance of there being lies.

You should find a trustworthy source and not open yourself up to potentially absorbing false information.
 
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22. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 13, 2012, 08:24 Beamer
 
Anonymous wrote on Dec 13, 2012, 01:59:
Wikipedia is a fool's encyclopedia. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you must be living under a rock.

No one who takes their information seriously and knows the damnedest thing as to what they are doing trusts Wikipedia.

I'll never understand why so many people are always going "derr, Wikipedia is bad!"

Listen, no one is stupid enough to go "holy shit, I need to perform open heart surgery tonight? How do I do it? I know, Wikipedia!" But if someone wants to see what happened in Season 2 of Night Court, or know what region of the world the blue ringed octopus lives in, Wikipedia is far and away the best tool out there.

It's unmatched. Yes, it may be a bit off. Perhaps it tells you that the blue ringed octopus lives in your mom's toilet. Clearly you know that's been vandalized. Or maybe it tells you it lives in a 5000 square km region of the Pacific when it's actually a 4500 sqkm region. Who cares? For satisfying a brief curiosity it's perfectly accurate enough.

But still idiots go "oh man, only morons would use it as a primary resource to write a term paper. Anyone that knows anything knows that."
Duh. Don't think you're superior for spending 30 minutes Googling something unimportant that you could learn in a 30 second Wiki search.
 
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21. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 13, 2012, 01:59 Lit_Reflex001
 
Wikipedia is a fool's encyclopedia. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you must be living under a rock.

No one who takes their information seriously and knows the damnedest thing as to what they are doing trusts Wikipedia.
 
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20. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 10, 2012, 17:21 Sepharo
 
Prez wrote on Dec 10, 2012, 06:56:
So information on Bluesnews can't be found online? That's why it was deleted off Wikipedia? Curious, that...

That is correct. Unfortunately no "reputable" source has ever written an (accessible) article about Blue's News. Lots of links of course and a few passing mentions but no "Stephen Heaslip has been running the premier PC gaming news site for the past 15 years. And here's a bunch statistics, history, trivia, blah blah blah..." You may think, "But hey that's what Wikipedia is for!" But Wikipedia can't feature original research or material, it has to come from another (preferably reputable) source.

I have the issues/debate/deletion of the Blue'sNews wiki article chronicled in the General Forum here and I've linked it around a few times.
 
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19. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 10, 2012, 09:20 InBlack
 
You will see more and more of this as we advance into the digital age. When 'digital' print becomes as viable as regular print then encyclopedias are going to play catchup.

People are so rash when it comes to dismissing wikipedia, OH NOES MY FAVOUIRITE (Insert sport) TEAM WASNT LISTED UNDER that SPORT ITS A CONSHAXORZSIPRACYY!!

Encyclopedic entries, have to be short concise and to the point. That is their purpose.

So cool it a notch. Wikipedia is great because its so well edited, and the reason its so well edited is because of encyclopedic rules which limit the length of articles down to managable levels.
 
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18. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 10, 2012, 06:56 Prez
 
So information on Bluesnews can't be found online? That's why it was deleted off Wikipedia? Curious, that...  
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17. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 10, 2012, 02:30 Sepharo
 
Cutter wrote on Dec 10, 2012, 01:57:
Sepharo wrote on Dec 9, 2012, 23:42:
You can hop on there right now and make your case, there's nothing limiting it to three people.

What I'm saying is it shouldn't work that way to begin with. What if I wanted to go delete the entry about the Detroit Lions? I mean, after all, it's not like they're really important to the NFL regardless of their history. If the information is valid and legitimate then leave it alone.

Yes but you can find sources online and in print that attest to the notability of the Lions. If you can't find that information then the article is put up for deletion.
 
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16. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 10, 2012, 01:57 Cutter
 
Sepharo wrote on Dec 9, 2012, 23:42:
You can hop on there right now and make your case, there's nothing limiting it to three people.

What I'm saying is it shouldn't work that way to begin with. What if I wanted to go delete the entry about the Detroit Lions? I mean, after all, it's not like they're really important to the NFL regardless of their history. If the information is valid and legitimate then leave it alone.
 
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15. Re: BBSes Dec 10, 2012, 00:11 Mordecai Walfish
 
Ant wrote on Dec 9, 2012, 19:10:
Blue's News was deleted on Wikipedia? WTFrak?

I miss BBS days. Did anyone watch BBS Documentary? http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/ ... It was rad(ical).

Hell yes, and a fine documentary it is! That and 'Get Lamp' are two recent docs I enjoyed immensely that did a good deal of justice to two subjects that are very dear to me.
 
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14. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 9, 2012, 23:42 Sepharo
 
Cutter wrote on Dec 9, 2012, 22:04:
Sepharo wrote on Dec 9, 2012, 18:33:
This is about a specific BBS game not the whole thing. And Wikipedia is written and managed (not in the business sense) by... everyone. Those were just 3 people on the internet. Don't withhold a donation because one user of hundreds of thousands doesn't think that particular game is notable and citable enough for an article.

If three people can dictate what is Wiki worthy and what is not then it's not an organization that even deserves to exist.

You can hop on there right now and make your case, there's nothing limiting it to three people.
 
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13. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 9, 2012, 22:52 Prez
 
If three people can dictate what is Wiki worthy and what is not then it's not an organization that even deserves to exist.

I kind of agree. That really isn't what I consider "open source". To the contrary - it sounds closed and exclusionary. I understand there needs to be some measure controls to ensure certain standards of integrity are maintained but this is pretty ridiculous.
 
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12. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 9, 2012, 22:04 Cutter
 
Sepharo wrote on Dec 9, 2012, 18:33:
This is about a specific BBS game not the whole thing. And Wikipedia is written and managed (not in the business sense) by... everyone. Those were just 3 people on the internet. Don't withhold a donation because one user of hundreds of thousands doesn't think that particular game is notable and citable enough for an article.

If three people can dictate what is Wiki worthy and what is not then it's not an organization that even deserves to exist.
 
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11. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 9, 2012, 21:02 Ant
 
Anonymous wrote on Dec 9, 2012, 20:58:
I hate the deletionists. They want to delete everything!

It's ridiculous! Wikipedia should be the largest compendium of knowledge available. It should be that you can find anything on Wikipedia.

Instead, these deletionists are deleting all kinds of things!
I will delete YOU!
 
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10. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 9, 2012, 20:58 Lit_Reflex001
 
I hate the deletionists. They want to delete everything!

It's ridiculous! Wikipedia should be the largest compendium of knowledge available. It should be that you can find anything on Wikipedia.

Instead, these deletionists are deleting all kinds of things!
 
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9. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 9, 2012, 20:09 Sepharo
 
Silicon Avatar wrote on Dec 9, 2012, 19:33:
Wikipedia was fun for a while but most of the information I see there now is stale, wrong, contentious, or just bone-headed. - It's not even good as starting point anymore.

So so wrong. And don't tell me it's a matter of opinion. Some of the information is stale, wrong, contentious or bone-headed, certainly not most. Not good as a starting point? That's precisely what it's good for.
 
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8. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 9, 2012, 19:33 Silicon Avatar
 
Wikipedia was fun for a while but most of the information I see there now is stale, wrong, contentious, or just bone-headed. It's better to go to specialist sites and/or read real academic journals if you want to learn anything. It's not even good as starting point anymore.

 
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7. Re: BBSes Dec 9, 2012, 19:10 Ant
 
Blue's News was deleted on Wikipedia? WTFrak?

I miss BBS days. Did anyone watch BBS Documentary? http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/ ... It was rad(ical).
 
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6. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 9, 2012, 18:49 Prez
 
The kind of arguments put forth by Sue Rangell here boil a historian's blood. Oh, the sheer audacity required to judge what is or what isn't notable enough to be part of online history!

Exactly. That kind of censorship runs directly counter to the very concept of an open source online Encyclopedia. Very disappointing.
 
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5. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 9, 2012, 18:33 Sepharo
 
Cutter wrote on Dec 9, 2012, 18:16:
BBS' helped build the internet and gaming as we know it today! I used to help run an immensely popular BBS back in the day. To say BBS gaming isn't notable is laughable at best. Obviously that cunt never used BBS', much less played BBS games - or any other for that matter. I was just on the verge of donating Wikipedia a few bucks with their latest appeal but fuck them now! I pity people who missed the BBS era, it was a tremendous amount of fun.

Too be fair... that's not at all whats happening here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBS_door
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Door_games

This is about a specific BBS game not the whole thing.
And Wikipedia is written and managed (not in the business sense) by... everyone. Those were just 3 people on the internet. Don't withhold a donation because one user of hundreds of thousands doesn't think that particular game is notable and citable enough for an article.

Here's an excerpt of the conversation between Dr. Chad Nilep (Cnilep), the Wikipedia user who nominated Space Empire Elite for deletion; Sue Rangell, another user who doesn't like non-notable games; and Josh Renaud (Kirkman), a door game proponent who authored several door game pages on Wikipedia.
 
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4. Re: Sunday Metaverse Dec 9, 2012, 18:16 Cutter
 
BBS' helped build the internet and gaming as we know it today! I used to help run an immensely popular BBS back in the day. To say BBS gaming isn't notable is laughable at best. Obviously that cunt never used BBS', much less played BBS games - or any other for that matter. I was just on the verge of donating Wikipedia a few bucks with their latest appeal but fuck them now! I pity people who missed the BBS era, it was a tremendous amount of fun.  
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