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27. Re: Evening Tech Bits Dec 6, 2012, 09:48 Tim
Verno wrote on Dec 6, 2012, 09:03:
Windows 8 doesn't really perform better than Windows 7, most benchmarks have them within a 2% differential margin.

Personally, first hand experience disagrees with this - benchmarks are one thing but in real terms it's faster for me. Given the amount of effort put into performance (and efficiency) and that's well documented via the dev blogs which i've read with interest over the past few months it'd be pretty weird if it'd had no effect noticeable. This, if anything, is the one positive kickback from the whole tablet focus - they need the thing to be as quick and efficient as possible.

Verno wrote on Dec 6, 2012, 09:03:
It also doesn't necessarily boot faster

..yes and not necessarily boot slower either. It's a strange thing to say and hardly a detractor. Is it designed to boot faster? Yes. In most cases it will too, in my (humble) experience. That's by design (7 doesn't have kernel hibernation).

Verno wrote on Dec 6, 2012, 09:03:
Having an SSD is going to make a greater difference than Windows 8 ever could.

Well, er.. yeah. And me having a faster newer PC will do too. Having 8 and that too will be better though.

Verno wrote on Dec 6, 2012, 09:03:
People keep harping about Vista being Windows 7 and that's true to some degree but Windows 7 pared down Vista quite a bit and fixed several of its more noticeable mistakes. Windows 8 doesn't really solve any problems from Windows 7, it actually manages to create a few by mixing a user interface that is literally at odds with the desktop.

I disagree that it doesn't 'really solve' any problems from 7 - it obviously does (wireless, memory management, security, explorer, dual monitors etc have all been mentioned as much improved) in a number of areas as you'd expect. I do agree the MUI stuff is far from 'done' though (although like others i quite like some bits of it having used it for a few months). I also don't like hot corners all that much either..

I find it interesting that people hold up 7 as being the second coming (and I love it don't get me wrong) when Vista's biggest 'mistake' (which turned out to be a huge step forward) was it's new driver model. Nothing else caused anywhere near that amount of grief for end users. I'm not sure what people expect from 8 though - it's essentially a good incremental improvement in all sorts of key areas for end users PLUS a radical UI/app framework over the top of it. It's the latter we're all hung up on (and with good reason it's plainly unfinished and favours the touch user more) but it's a relatively minor part of the desktop experience in reality (and entirely avoidable should you wish). I do like that it's bold and new though - and let's face it, MS are damned if they innovate or don't.

Verno wrote on Dec 6, 2012, 09:03:
Metro sucks for desktop users, you need to memorize several hotkeys just use it efficiently. Hot corners are an awful concept, the app management is rudimentary 2 simultaneous apps with statically set resizes? It is a disservice to mouse and keyboard users, too many tablet concessions. It can be fixed up but the question is will they bother or go full bore with tablet nonsense?

They'll bother. This is simply 'phase 1' - MS aren't blind but they've got an agenda to bring about change and leverage one market into another. That's understandable - not appreciated entirely no doubt by desktop users - but I think their roadmap accounts for their main userbase whilst having an eye on tablets and phones which are getting away from them right now. That said, I have to wonder where we are going on the desktop anyway given the range of new input methods we've seen (and the form factors they've introduced). The obviously stupid stuff isn't going to fly (i.e. touch screen at arms length dead on to you doesn't work) though.

Verno wrote on Dec 6, 2012, 09:03:
People keep bringing up the tickless kernel from an Arstechnica article but it is essentially meaningless to the end user and performance itself.

Then why add it? Time to burn at the Windows division? And if things like battery life are essentially meaningless, then what is?

I've been using 8 full time for 4-5 months and I'm ok with it. I feel like i'll be vilified for saying that though.

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