Golwar wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 19:21:
You don't always need the government, sometimes the industry and a part of the customers are enough to cannibalize products. Don't tell me you missed the outrage after certain sex scenes in Mass Effect 2 (or 3).
It is quite simple, US Americans love their weapons and they fear naked tits. This results in self-restriction of the industy, that simply doesn't produce games with erotic or sexual content. It occasionally happens that we in Europe get to see some naked impression that get denied from the USA, as in Witcher for example.
But you simply can't produce a game story that would heavily rely on sexual events, as it would be impossible to sell it on the biggest market. Thus I say that the USA, in their bigotry, prevent erotica in games. One of the most elemental parts of any form of culture is not existent in games. Did you never wonder why?
Brumbek wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 18:44:
"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism. Fascists seek to unify their nation based upon suprapersonal connections of ancestry and culture through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, and physical training."
The German government seeks to shape the thinking of their nation by censoring violent games and other media. That's getting dangerously close to fascism in my opinion.
StingingVelvet wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 08:05:Golwar wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 06:25:
And as long as the USA prevent even slightly sexual content in games for everyone on the world, I'd remain silent about how stupid countries are.
How do we do this exactly? Our ratings system is entirely voluntary and there is no government involvement, regulation or censorship what-so-ever.
Buckermann wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 13:52:
You probably should educate yourself about what "censorship" and "fascism" really means before using such difficult concepts in a public discussion.
PHJF wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 08:39:This is the worst. When censorship from a few countries spills over into all countries. Borderlands 2, Fallout 3... I am sure there are a few others where this has happened.This is in stark contrast to Gearbox who claimed Borderlands 2 was uncut, but in fact they removed head decaps and other effects in order to comply with German (and other) law.
Actually they fucked up across the board and Borderlands 2 was censored in America. Even with the "full gore" option ticked, there are no decapitations, no elemental death effects, no flying body parts. But oh look we have horrible-looking PhysX blood everywhere...
Cutter wrote on Nov 30, 2012, 21:15:Best movie ever.
"Protection from what, Tommy? Zee Germans?"
Brumbek wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 13:22:You probably should educate yourself about what "censorship" and "fascism" really means before using such difficult concepts in a public discussion.
I recommend you NOT try to defend censorship. It is evil in all forms.
PHJF wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 08:39:This is in stark contrast to Gearbox who claimed Borderlands 2 was uncut, but in fact they removed head decaps and other effects in order to comply with German (and other) law.
Actually they fucked up across the board and Borderlands 2 was censored in America. Even with the "full gore" option ticked, there are no decapitations, no elemental death effects, no flying body parts. But oh look we have horrible-looking PhysX blood everywhere...
Buckermann wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 05:10:
Just to make things clear:
Nobody forces a developer/publisher to censor their games to get a under 18 release in Germany.
Cutter wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 11:30:StingingVelvet wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 08:05:Golwar wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 06:25:
And as long as the USA prevent even slightly sexual content in games for everyone on the world, I'd remain silent about how stupid countries are.
How do we do this exactly? Our ratings system is entirely voluntary and there is no government involvement, regulation or censorship what-so-ever.
Guess you've never heard of the FCC then.
Buckermann wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 05:10:
Just to make things clear:
The sale of such games is not verboten in Germany; they just can't be sold to somebody under 18. And you can't advertise for such publications in media that is available to minors.
Only very few games are actually banned in Germany; I think the number is 13.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games#Germany
Nobody forces a developer/publisher to censor their games to get a under 18 release in Germany.
Online sales, where it's difficult to determine the buyers age, are tricky though...
StingingVelvet wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 08:05:Golwar wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 06:25:
And as long as the USA prevent even slightly sexual content in games for everyone on the world, I'd remain silent about how stupid countries are.
How do we do this exactly? Our ratings system is entirely voluntary and there is no government involvement, regulation or censorship what-so-ever.
Prez wrote on Nov 30, 2012, 21:11:Not being able to buy a game doesn't automaticly mean not being able to play a game
Glad I don't live in Germany; I loved Dead Island and can't wait for Riptide.
This is in stark contrast to Gearbox who claimed Borderlands 2 was uncut, but in fact they removed head decaps and other effects in order to comply with German (and other) law.
Golwar wrote on Dec 1, 2012, 06:25:
And as long as the USA prevent even slightly sexual content in games for everyone on the world, I'd remain silent about how stupid countries are.
Brumbek wrote on Nov 30, 2012, 21:35:
I respect them for not censoring their game just to comply with Fascist laws.