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Out of the Blue

The oncoming cold I mentioned yesterday already seems to be outgoing, as my sore throat is abating, and it doesn't seem it's being replaced by any further symptoms. The worst of it as this point is that I'm constantly clearing my throat, which as George Costanza taught us is "a non-verbal implication of doubt." Hopefully I won't accidentally imply I suspect anyone of murder.

Cleared Links: Thanks Ant and Acleacius.
Play: Dikembe Mutombo's 4 1/2 Weeks to Save the World.
Dragon Fist 3D.
Stories: Hobbit was almost filmed in Britain, director reveals.
Science: Pork Safety - What's in Pork ? Consumer Reports.
Interactions Between Grapefruits And Drugs Can Cause Severe Effects, Death.
Media: Game of Thrones Sitcom.
Ninten-blow.
Dog Helps Firefighters to Pull Down Tree.
Giant shopping cart takes Chevy engine to move. Pretty sure any engine would do.
Auction: ‘Casablanca’ piano to be auctioned off, expected to go for $1.2 million.
The Funnies: Brevity.
Follow-up: US coastal cities in danger as sea levels rise faster than expected, study warns.

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17. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 16:27 Agent.X7
 
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Am I saying that we shouldn't take steps to reduce our impact on the Earth? No. I am saying that we shouldn't believe anything just because it is the popular opinion at the time.


 
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16. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 16:23 PHJF
 
You could read the article (the actual study, not the shit from the guardian) before going off into talking point mode.

In conclusion, the rise in CO2 concentration and global temperature has continued to closely match the projections over the past five years, while sea level continues to rise faster than anticipated. The latter suggests that the 21st Century sea-level projections of the last two IPCC reports may be systematically biased low. Further support for this concern is provided by the fact that the ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are increasingly losing mass (Rignot et al 2011, Van den Broeke et al 2011), while those IPCC projections assumed that Antarctica will gain enough mass in future to largely compensate mass losses from Greenland (see figure 10.33 in Meehl et al (2007)). For this reason, an additional contribution ('scaled-up ice sheet discharge') was suggested in the IPCC fourth assessment. Our results highlight the need to thoroughly validate models with data of past climate changes before applying them to projections.

So when you're done ranting about how ego-driven scientists stubbornly ignore new data and how poor climate projection models are...
 
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15. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 16:23 NegaDeath
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Nov 28, 2012, 15:53:
You don't think GREEN is a HUGE business right now?

I see this argument a lot but it never makes sense to me. Ok so there's a lot of money in the green industry. There is an obscenely greater amount of money in "anti-green" industries...literally the most profitable industries on the whole planet. If money is your indicator of corruption then you have the wrong bad guy.

"Any scientist that claims they know one way or the other is LYING. They are lying because they want to be right, or get grant money, or corporate money. Period. "

There are things that can be tested and unequivocally proven through science and need to be presented as such. I don't know enough about the climate to claim they're 100% correct but the idea no scientist can be completely sure about something is bunk.

As for Stephen Hawking he's a theoretical physicist. The field of study is too different to be compared to climate science, or biology or geology or anything else that deals with our material world for that matter.
 
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14. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 15:56 Kosumo
 
What Cutter say.

It also goes for the Hobbit movie to be made in the UK - it's lies, Peter Jackson and Warner Brothers used it as a way of getting more tax payer cash from the govement and they only say they where going to, to avoid the negitave light it paints them in.

Their reason was the actor union (which, in New Zealand is the weakest in the western world) yet because this union, they would move production to the UK which has much stronger union, by whom rules Peter would have to play by.

This is all about giving Warner Brothers 83 million dollars (a tax break) and Peter the employment rules that he wants.

They should be good movies thought
 
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13. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 15:53 Agent.X7
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 28, 2012, 15:26:
Agent.X7 wrote on Nov 28, 2012, 15:10:
I fall on the side of wait and see. After all, 1000s of "real scientists" believed the Earth was flat at one point. 1000s of "real scientists" believed in Nuclear Winter. Both theories have been proven wrong. Everyone wants to hang anybody that doesn't agree with the "scientific consensus" - even though there really is no consensus either way - but nobody seems to remember that Galileo didn't agree with the "consensus" either, and look who turned out to be right.

Your analogy is seriously flawed. You're talking about a period when actual science was little more than philosophy because you could easily find yourself branded a heretic or worse by the church which meant excommunication and life over as you know it or literally life over as you know because you were executed. That is a very long way from where we are today with tools that can measure and work with things on a molecular scale.

Do you honestly think for a second that 100s of 1000s of highly intelligent people who have anywhere from 4 to 12 years of post-secondary education that specialize in hard sciences in specialized fields all come together to overwhelmingly agree that climate change - while natural, is also being exacerbated by man - are all somehow wrong and that establishment hating, uneducated, moronic rednecks are actually right? Is that what you're saying? Are you seriously buying into the disinformation being put out by big business who has a vested interest in not seeing regulations implemented that will affect their bottom line is in fact true and all these scientists around the world are wrong? All of them? Every single one? The people only interested in objective information with no corporate agenda are all wrong?

Wow.

I just remembered that I actually own a bridge in Brooklyn I'm selling cheap. I can let you have it a good price. It also comes with a pet unicorn.

Cutter, chill your ass out. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you should start whipping out your e-peen and being all "I'm the smartest guy in the room."

I see you left out Nuclear Winter, which happens to be a fairly recent scientific gaffe.

I honestly believe that, just like politics - which, by the way, science is HUGELY affected by - science is not about discovering and finding the truth anymore. It's about big money, big prizes, big egos. It's just as influenced by corporate money on both sides of the aisle. You don't think GREEN is a HUGE business right now?

Do you know what they base a ton of claims on, on both sides of the aisle? Computer modeling. Do you know what told us we were doomed if nuclear weapons went off because they would plunge the world into nuclear winter? Computer modeling. Do you know why ALL computer models are inherently flawed? Because we DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH to accurately enter every single little data point that might affect the conditions in the real world.

If you or any of these scientists think they are 100% right because the models show that, you and they are deluding yourselves.

Do you know why any REAL scientist says they do not know? Because they are being truthful. Any scientist that claims they know one way or the other is LYING. They are lying because they want to be right, or get grant money, or corporate money. Period.

A great example of a REAL scientist would be Stephen Hawking. He knows his theories are just that: Theories, and he is not above proving himself wrong. He just wants to know, to find things out.

A great example of a bullshit artist posing as a scientist would be James Hansen. He claims to know how the climate change will work, while putting down everyone who disagrees with him.

Real scientists want to have their theories tested and proven wrong if they are. Bullshit artists will put you down rather than face the fact that they may be wrong.

You can have all the schooling in the world and still just be a bullshit artist.

Also, FYI, scientists have no consensus about climate change other than it is obviously occurring.
You're talking about a period when actual science was little more than philosophy because you could easily find yourself branded a heretic or worse by the church which meant excommunication and life over as you know it or literally life over as you know because you were executed. That is a very long way from where we are today with tools that can measure and work with things on a molecular scale.

What, you mean, like now? You do know that scientists lose jobs and grant money if they speak out against the perceived consensus, right? We can measure things on a molecular scale, and yet a large majority of the Earth's population follows crazy religions that tell them to do all sorts of nonsense. Global Warming is a religion. Speak out against it and be excommunicated from the scientific world.

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12. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 15:26 Cutter
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Nov 28, 2012, 15:10:
I fall on the side of wait and see. After all, 1000s of "real scientists" believed the Earth was flat at one point. 1000s of "real scientists" believed in Nuclear Winter. Both theories have been proven wrong. Everyone wants to hang anybody that doesn't agree with the "scientific consensus" - even though there really is no consensus either way - but nobody seems to remember that Galileo didn't agree with the "consensus" either, and look who turned out to be right.

Your analogy is seriously flawed. You're talking about a period when actual science was little more than philosophy because you could easily find yourself branded a heretic or worse by the church which meant excommunication and life over as you know it or literally life over as you know because you were executed. That is a very long way from where we are today with tools that can measure and work with things on a molecular scale.

Do you honestly think for a second that 100s of 1000s of highly intelligent people who have anywhere from 4 to 12 years of post-secondary education that specialize in hard sciences in specialized fields all come together to overwhelmingly agree that climate change - while natural, is also being exacerbated by man - are all somehow wrong and that establishment hating, uneducated, moronic rednecks are actually right? Is that what you're saying? Are you seriously buying into the disinformation being put out by big business who has a vested interest in not seeing regulations implemented that will affect their bottom line is in fact true and all these scientists around the world are wrong? All of them? Every single one? The people only interested in objective information with no corporate agenda are all wrong?

Wow.

I just remembered that I actually own a bridge in Brooklyn I'm selling cheap. I can let you have it a good price. It also comes with a pet unicorn.
 
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11. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 15:16 jdreyer
 
Porn-O-Matic wrote on Nov 28, 2012, 13:36:
Oh my... the sea levels are rising faster than expected... again?? You'd think that if these global warming-alarmist-conspiracy theory-fucktards were dealing with REAL SCIENCE that they would KNOW the very first fucking time they checked, exactly how fast the sea levels would rise. Every year, it's the same dumbass bullshit... "Oh my, it's worse than we thought!"

Fucking please with your babbling nonsense. Go fuck a dead whale.

Yes, because science always gets everything right the first time. You obviously know nothing about science. Go buy beachfront property and let us know how that works out for you in 20 years.
 
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10. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 15:16 Verno
 
My football picks this week:

Falcons, Bills, Bears, Colts, Packers, Panthers, Patriots, JETS, 49ers, Texans, Broncos (game to watch IMHO), Ravens, Browns, Bengles, Cowboys, Giants
 
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9. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 15:13 jdreyer
 
Grapefruit juice by itself gives me a buzz akin to a bottle of beer. Admittedly , I have to drink a whole quart of it, but it's got something in it.  
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8. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 15:10 Agent.X7
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 28, 2012, 14:03:
Porn-O-Matic wrote on Nov 28, 2012, 13:36:
Oh my... the sea levels are rising faster than expected... again?? You'd think that if these global warming-alarmist-conspiracy theory-fucktards were dealing with REAL SCIENCE that they would KNOW the very first fucking time they checked, exactly how fast the sea levels would rise. Every year, it's the same dumbass bullshit... "Oh my, it's worse than we thought!"

Fucking please with your babbling nonsense. Go fuck a dead whale.

Right. Because 1000s of actual real scientists based on 1000s of actual real scientific studies are all wrong and you in your little fantasy bubble are correct. Perhaps where you're from people still study flat-earth theory, alchemy and astrology, but here in what the rest of us like to call "reality" there are hard sciences which have been able to quantify this sort of phenomena for a long time now. Don't let that spoil your bubble fantasy however. Enjoy!

I fall on the side of wait and see. After all, 1000s of "real scientists" believed the Earth was flat at one point. 1000s of "real scientists" believed in Nuclear Winter. Both theories have been proven wrong. Everyone wants to hang anybody that doesn't agree with the "scientific consensus" - even though there really is no consensus either way - but nobody seems to remember that Galileo didn't agree with the "consensus" either, and look who turned out to be right.



 
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7. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 14:03 Cutter
 
Porn-O-Matic wrote on Nov 28, 2012, 13:36:
Oh my... the sea levels are rising faster than expected... again?? You'd think that if these global warming-alarmist-conspiracy theory-fucktards were dealing with REAL SCIENCE that they would KNOW the very first fucking time they checked, exactly how fast the sea levels would rise. Every year, it's the same dumbass bullshit... "Oh my, it's worse than we thought!"

Fucking please with your babbling nonsense. Go fuck a dead whale.

Right. Because 1000s of actual real scientists based on 1000s of actual real scientific studies are all wrong and you in your little fantasy bubble are correct. Perhaps where you're from people still study flat-earth theory, alchemy and astrology, but here in what the rest of us like to call "reality" there are hard sciences which have been able to quantify this sort of phenomena for a long time now. Don't let that spoil your bubble fantasy however. Enjoy!
 
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6. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 13:59 Verno
 
Porn-O-Matic wrote on Nov 28, 2012, 13:36:
Oh my... the sea levels are rising faster than expected... again?? You'd think that if these global warming-alarmist-conspiracy theory-fucktards were dealing with REAL SCIENCE that they would KNOW the very first fucking time they checked, exactly how fast the sea levels would rise. Every year, it's the same dumbass bullshit... "Oh my, it's worse than we thought!"

Fucking please with your babbling nonsense. Go fuck a dead whale.

It's pretty hard to accurately model this sort of thing, I'm not sure why you're so upset about it. They're using pretty advanced techniques involving satellites as it is. Does it matter if they're 100% bang on if the underlying message is still very important information? People can be concerned about environmental issues without being a member of the earth liberation front. I know a lot of right leaning people who understand that the environment can have very real impact on business concerns too.
 
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5. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 13:54 Agent.X7
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 28, 2012, 11:04:
If you ever ate grapefuit and drank coffee afterwards.. well let's just say, it did not require research to know it does SOMETHING

This article is written like is some big revelation. The steroids I have to take for my foot have a huge sticker on the package. DO NOT CONSUME GRAPEFRUIT PRODUCTS WHILE ON THIS MEDICATION. DEATH MAY RESULT.

 
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4. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 13:36 Porn-O-Matic
 
Oh my... the sea levels are rising faster than expected... again?? You'd think that if these global warming-alarmist-conspiracy theory-fucktards were dealing with REAL SCIENCE that they would KNOW the very first fucking time they checked, exactly how fast the sea levels would rise. Every year, it's the same dumbass bullshit... "Oh my, it's worse than we thought!"

Fucking please with your babbling nonsense. Go fuck a dead whale.
 
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3. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 13:33 xXBatmanXx
 
Dog Helps Firefighters to Pull Down Tree.

Wouldn't that rope tied to that 10 ton fire truck work a lot better? Waste of man power.
 
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2. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 11:04 eRe4s3r
 
If you ever ate grapefuit and drank coffee afterwards.. well let's just say, it did not require research to know it does SOMETHING  
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1. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 28, 2012, 10:04 nin
 
Dog Helps Firefighters to Pull Down Tree.


The dog is clearly having more fun than the firemen!


 
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