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27. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 15:28 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 15:16:
I think our balance of wealth is a much bigger issue than our spending. Do you know who holds the vast majority of our debt? We do. What happens if our debt rating drops? Not much, really. It's not something to be proud of, but given that our debt is mostly domestic, not foreign, it isn't really much of a concern, compared to the drastic hoovering of wealth our few have done, largely by cutting jobs or sending them overseas.

Our unemployment and our offshoring have nothing to do with our debt or our debt rating. In fact, all that outsourcing overseas is due to our debt being valuable, if anything.

Furthermore, paper money can never be worth nothing. We can't much go through a drastic inflation due to the size of our economy. It would bankrupt everyone, and I don't mean everyone in the country I mean everyone in the globe. This isn't Argentina, where our government could fold and make our currency useless. Although, in truth, having a sudden burst of massive inflation making my student debt moot does sound like a nice idea...

I don't say tax the rich, you dolt, I say tax the income. If someone has a lot of income tax it a lot. Fix Reagan's redistribution of wealth. Warren Buffet wrote a pretty solid editorial about it today. Only a moron says "the rich won't invest if they're taxed more." History shows they invest more. In jobs. For the middle class.

Also, you're the idiot playing the race card all the time. "I'm a straight white christian male, there's a war on me!"

I don't recall ever saying the rich won't invest if taxed more. I think I've been very consistent about spending being the issue. The idea that you think spending is sustainable when we pay out more than we take in, then add the fact that you could tax the 1% 100% of their income and still not cover what we're spending, that alone should raise some red flags for you but it apparently doesn't since you're too worried about the rich hoarding all that wealth as if it matters. Never mind that a person could start a company, become successful and make their own wealth, but no we need to redistribute from the rich and give to the poor, especially those folks that pay no taxes and receive all the hand outs, they deserve it the most.

Hey lets print more money and make it worth even less! That will surely solve everything! (rinse repeat)

You mentioned Cutter as well, It would take me both hands and toes to count how many times he's called me a bigot, or racist or whatever anytime something he can't dispute is said.

 
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26. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 15:16 Beamer
 
I think our balance of wealth is a much bigger issue than our spending. Do you know who holds the vast majority of our debt? We do. What happens if our debt rating drops? Not much, really. It's not something to be proud of, but given that our debt is mostly domestic, not foreign, it isn't really much of a concern, compared to the drastic hoovering of wealth our few have done, largely by cutting jobs or sending them overseas.

Our unemployment and our offshoring have nothing to do with our debt or our debt rating. In fact, all that outsourcing overseas is due to our debt being valuable, if anything.

Furthermore, paper money can never be worth nothing. We can't much go through a drastic inflation due to the size of our economy. It would bankrupt everyone, and I don't mean everyone in the country I mean everyone in the globe. This isn't Argentina, where our government could fold and make our currency useless. Although, in truth, having a sudden burst of massive inflation making my student debt moot does sound like a nice idea...

I don't say tax the rich, you dolt, I say tax the income. If someone has a lot of income tax it a lot. Fix Reagan's redistribution of wealth. Warren Buffet wrote a pretty solid editorial about it today. Only a moron says "the rich won't invest if they're taxed more." History shows they invest more. In jobs. For the middle class.

Also, you're the idiot playing the race card all the time. "I'm a straight white christian male, there's a war on me!"
 
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25. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 15:11 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 14:55:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 14:51:
Beamer wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 14:46:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 14:38:
Cutter wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:46:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:37:
Cutter wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 17:15:
The Nazis may have lost the war but more and more it seems they won it if you take my meaning. We're headed for complete subservience and virtual slavery or bloody revolution. I'm personally down with the latter.

You folks did it yourselves by buying into being "progressive"

We mean people like you and your ilk.

It must suck being against fiscal responsibility.

I can't recall: weren't you against raising taxes?

It must suck being against fiscal responsibility.

Nope, I'm all for tax increases, along with massive spending cuts.

So you're not beating the Tea Party drum. What makes you think Cutter falls directly into a party line and is against any kind of fiscal responsibility?

And how do you identify as conservative if you think we should raise taxes? Doesn't that make you a socialist, in your own lingo and logic?

No it doesn't, there's a major difference between realizing tax rates are lowest they've been in 60 years and not having issue with putting in a little more and that goes for everyone not just the 1%, thing is unless there's massive spending cuts, it won't matter. I keep telling you this Beamer and you keep coming back with spending doesn't matter type of bullshit. Your 6 figure salary won't mean shit when paper money is worthless in a few years at the rate we're going. Should have never gotten off the gold standard.

I don't know what you guys want to be classified as, when you spew the liberal playbook of tax the rich, race card playing, etc. on a regular basis should someone call you a republican instead?

edit: incidentally here's a list of proposed GOP cuts, which again far more than I've seen the Obmessiah propose.

Here is the full list of cuts:


Additional Program Eliminations/Spending Reforms

Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy. $445 million annual savings.

Save America's Treasures Program. $25 million annual savings.

International Fund for Ireland. $17 million annual savings.

Legal Services Corporation. $420 million annual savings.

National Endowment for the Arts. $167.5 million annual savings.

National Endowment for the Humanities. $167.5 million annual savings.

Hope VI Program. $250 million annual savings.

Amtrak Subsidies. $1.565 billion annual savings.

Eliminate duplicative education programs. H.R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually.

U.S. Trade Development Agency. $55 million annual savings.

Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy. $20 million annual savings.

Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding. $47 million annual savings.

John C. Stennis Center Subsidy. $430,000 annual savings.

Community Development Fund. $4.5 billion annual savings.

Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid. $24 million annual savings.

Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half. $7.5 billion annual savings.

Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20%. $600 million annual savings.

Essential Air Service. $150 million annual savings.

Technology Innovation Program. $70 million annual savings.

Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program. $125 million annual savings.

Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization. $530 million annual savings.

Beach Replenishment. $95 million annual savings.

New Starts Transit. $2 billion annual savings.

Exchange Programs for Alaska, Natives Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts. $9 million annual savings.

Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants. $2.5 billion annual savings.

Title X Family Planning. $318 million annual savings.

Appalachian Regional Commission. $76 million annual savings.

Economic Development Administration. $293 million annual savings.

Programs under the National and Community Services Act. $1.15 billion annual savings.

Applied Research at Department of Energy. $1.27 billion annual savings.

FreedomCAR and Fuel Partnership. $200 million annual savings.

Energy Star Program. $52 million annual savings.

Economic Assistance to Egypt. $250 million annually.

U.S. Agency for International Development. $1.39 billion annual savings.

General Assistance to District of Columbia. $210 million annual savings.

Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority. $150 million annual savings.

Presidential Campaign Fund. $775 million savings over ten years.

No funding for federal office space acquisition. $864 million annual savings.

End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services.

Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act. More than $1 billion annually.

IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget. $1.8 billion savings over ten years.

Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees. $1 billion total savings.

Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees. $1.2 billion savings over ten years.

Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of. $15 billion total savings.

Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress.

Eliminate Mohair Subsidies. $1 million annual savings.

Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. $12.5 million annual savings.

Eliminate Market Access Program. $200 million annual savings.

USDA Sugar Program. $14 million annual savings.

Subsidy to Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). $93 million annual savings.

Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program. $56.2 million annual savings.

Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs. $900 million savings.

Ready to Learn TV Program. $27 million savings.

HUD Ph.D. Program.

Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act.

TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years

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24. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 14:55 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 14:51:
Beamer wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 14:46:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 14:38:
Cutter wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:46:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:37:
Cutter wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 17:15:
The Nazis may have lost the war but more and more it seems they won it if you take my meaning. We're headed for complete subservience and virtual slavery or bloody revolution. I'm personally down with the latter.

You folks did it yourselves by buying into being "progressive"

We mean people like you and your ilk.

It must suck being against fiscal responsibility.

I can't recall: weren't you against raising taxes?

It must suck being against fiscal responsibility.

Nope, I'm all for tax increases, along with massive spending cuts.

So you're not beating the Tea Party drum. What makes you think Cutter falls directly into a party line and is against any kind of fiscal responsibility?

And how do you identify as conservative if you think we should raise taxes? Doesn't that make you a socialist, in your own lingo and logic?
 
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23. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 14:51 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 14:46:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 14:38:
Cutter wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:46:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:37:
Cutter wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 17:15:
The Nazis may have lost the war but more and more it seems they won it if you take my meaning. We're headed for complete subservience and virtual slavery or bloody revolution. I'm personally down with the latter.

You folks did it yourselves by buying into being "progressive"

We mean people like you and your ilk.

It must suck being against fiscal responsibility.

I can't recall: weren't you against raising taxes?

It must suck being against fiscal responsibility.

Nope, I'm all for tax increases, along with massive spending cuts.
 
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22. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 14:46 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 14:38:
Cutter wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:46:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:37:
Cutter wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 17:15:
The Nazis may have lost the war but more and more it seems they won it if you take my meaning. We're headed for complete subservience and virtual slavery or bloody revolution. I'm personally down with the latter.

You folks did it yourselves by buying into being "progressive"

We mean people like you and your ilk.

It must suck being against fiscal responsibility.

I can't recall: weren't you against raising taxes?

It must suck being against fiscal responsibility.
 
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21. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 14:38 RollinThundr
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:46:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:37:
Cutter wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 17:15:
The Nazis may have lost the war but more and more it seems they won it if you take my meaning. We're headed for complete subservience and virtual slavery or bloody revolution. I'm personally down with the latter.

You folks did it yourselves by buying into being "progressive"

We mean people like you and your ilk.

It must suck being against fiscal responsibility.
 
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20. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 14:34 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 13:31:
Oh good, let's argue about which side is more like Nazis, and have everyone completely fail to understand the political alignment of Nazis as well as forget most of what the Nazis did.


I dunno, liberals tend to hate Israel while often siding with factions who would love nothing more than their destruction. I don't think it's too much a stretch really.

The White House will no longer take any credit for anything bad that happens in the Middle East. Instead they will blame the following in order..

George W. Bush

The Republicans

Mitt Romney

Jesus Christ

The 49% who did not vote for Obama

The wealthy who provide the jobs for Americans

Hurricane Sandy

George W Bush (Second time for good measure)

The dog that ate Obama's homework in grade school

Capitalism

Anything else that keeps them for taking responsibility for anything that might have or could have happened.
 
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19. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 13:31 Beamer
 
Oh good, let's argue about which side is more like Nazis, and have everyone completely fail to understand the political alignment of Nazis as well as forget most of what the Nazis did.

 
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18. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 12:46 Cutter
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 26, 2012, 12:37:
Cutter wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 17:15:
The Nazis may have lost the war but more and more it seems they won it if you take my meaning. We're headed for complete subservience and virtual slavery or bloody revolution. I'm personally down with the latter.

You folks did it yourselves by buying into being "progressive"

We mean people like you and your ilk.
 
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17. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 26, 2012, 12:37 RollinThundr
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 17:15:
The Nazis may have lost the war but more and more it seems they won it if you take my meaning. We're headed for complete subservience and virtual slavery or bloody revolution. I'm personally down with the latter.

You folks did it yourselves by buying into being "progressive"
 
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16. Re: More Big Picture Details Nov 26, 2012, 07:54 Armengar
 
Just add an hour onto the school day and take compulsory registration at the start of each lesson.  
Its not the cough that carries you off but the coffin they carry you off in.
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15. Re: More Big Picture Details Nov 26, 2012, 00:28 Dev
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 20:15:
If I could really understand how the bars really = 6, yes that could turn me into a full-fledged believer. What are the chances of that number happening like that and how it ties to commerce? I mean that is one in impossible imo.
Here's what the inventor of the UPC says about it:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/a/laurergj/UPC/666quest.html

Whether or not that that has anything to do with anything biblical, who knows.

I disagree with the whole mandatory RFID tracking thing on principle, not because it may or may not have anything to do with any 666 number.
 
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14. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 25, 2012, 23:58 Ant
 
Nucas wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 23:49:
Ant wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 19:45:
I don't. My grandparents don't.
hahahaha don't take this the wrong way buddy, but there's just something funny about grouping yourself with your grandparents to justify a technology decision, maybe it's just me
For me, I have no use for it due to my speech and hearing impediments. For them, they're too old and rarely go out. Landlines work for them. WOrk for me too for fax machines, dial-up when cable goes down, etc.
 
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13. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 25, 2012, 23:49 Nucas
 
Ant wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 19:45:
I don't. My grandparents don't.
hahahaha don't take this the wrong way buddy, but there's just something funny about grouping yourself with your grandparents to justify a technology decision, maybe it's just me
 
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12. Re: More Big Picture Details Nov 25, 2012, 20:15 HorrorScope
 
Yes, Mark of the beast that one is actually pretty clear in that ole Bible. Mark of the beast, you have to have this mark to do commerce, that is a sign of satan.

They have something online about UPC codes that it's in three parts, each part starts with a 6, for yes 6 6 6 aka the mark of the beast is a barcode, people are forced into barcode to do commerce, sign of satan.

I never could figure out how it was three parts starting with 6.

http://rense.com/general20/666.htm

I totally get what this girl is going for and this fits well enough imo to throw the mark of the beast down. People say "children these days", I say, "Good God what we are doing to our kids these days". I'm sorry I didn't have children to be robots and be guilty before being innocent. I no I don't believe my children in the US should have to compete with slave wagers in China. Whoever voted on this shit? Fucking control freak.

If I could really understand how the bars really = 6, yes that could turn me into a full-fledged believer. What are the chances of that number happening like that and how it ties to commerce? I mean that is one in impossible imo.
 
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11. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 25, 2012, 19:45 Ant
 
PHJF wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 18:12:
raising kids to accept that their movements and activities are monitored at all times has no positive endgame.

Everybody already has a cell phone.
I don't. My grandparents don't.
 
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10. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 25, 2012, 19:27 Tom
 
PHJF wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 18:12:
Everybody already has a cell phone.

Accordingly, most people are already in the state where their "movements and activities are monitored at all times". So, do these people realize they're being monitored? Do they accept it? Is it an ok tradeoff for these modern conveniences? As far as I can tell, the vast majority of people are either oblivious or ok with it. If they're oblivious, maybe some in-your-face monitoring might prompt some needed discussion. If they're ok with it, then cries of "but this is raising kids to accept it!" seem a bit dubious to me.

There is truly little privacy for those who lead typical lives in modern developed nations. Cell phones are just one of many ways to track people nowadays.
 
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9. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 25, 2012, 18:45 LittleMe
 
PHJF wrote on Nov 25, 2012, 18:12:
raising kids to accept that their movements and activities are monitored at all times has no positive endgame.

Everybody already has a cell phone.

True, but big difference. Phones can still be anonymous, and friends can borrow them. You also also opt to -not- carry a phone any time you want. These 'ID' tags are the opposite. Their sole purpose is to track children, not make phone calls. It can be easily deduced that since it is an educational institution, that the children are being taught to submit to tracking. They are being taught to be as cattle and being denied their inalienable human rights is part of being a 'good citizen.' The opposite is true.

The school are only trying to justify funding by giving proof of attendance.

Exactly. For the local schools, it's about money (greed). It usually is. The funds come from the state govt, and their motive is something else. That being, compliant cattle to exploit.

 
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8. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Nov 25, 2012, 18:12 PHJF
 
raising kids to accept that their movements and activities are monitored at all times has no positive endgame.

Everybody already has a cell phone.
 
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