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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 21, 2012, 10:02 |
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InBlack wrote on Nov 21, 2012, 04:07:
Beamer wrote on Nov 20, 2012, 11:02:
InBlack wrote on Nov 20, 2012, 10:53:
You guys are completely missing the point arguing about subjective shit, when there are completely rational OBJECTIVE reasons why COD sucks MAJOR BALLZ!!!!
1st and foremost: RAMPANT CHEATING, Its utterly, utterly horrible and unnaceptable in any competitive multiplayer game especially one that is supposed to be the current "IN" game of the moment...
2nd (very connected to the first point): VERY LITTLE TO NO POST RELEASE SUPPORT. One of the main reasons why there is so much cheating going on, the devs dont give a fuck, they already have your money, and the community being disconnected and wiped every 6-10 months cant do shit about it...
3rd (very connected to the second and first points) NO COMMUNITY to stand for the players interest. Since these sonsofbitches release these 'itterations' every few months up to a year there is very little time for a community to build up adequately for said game. About the time people get organized and very vocal about the problems in said game BAM they release another one and the whole process is restarted....
I have a few other points but just those three are I think enough to prove my point that the Call of Duty franchise is the McDonalds of games, people are fucking addicted to it and cant help themselves even though they know they are fed shit....
1) Not on the Xbox. MW3 had very little Xbox cheating. From what I understand, tons of the PS3 and PC, but I won't play on those platforms. I put something like 180 hours into MW3 on XBL and can't remember a single wallhacker. There may have been one, but I think that was a YouTube video I watched.
2) There was a good amount of post release support in terms of tweaking and balancing. If you play on the Xbox, that's all you needed
3) There's an enormous community, which is why these games are so popular and a safe bet. As other people mentioned previously, some people only buy 3-4 games per year. It's much better for them to get the game everyone is getting, and therefore know they'll have a community filling multiplayer servers, than to take a risk on a game that may be better but no one may buy.
The CoD games may be terrible PC experiences, but they're quite good Xbox experiences.
So hmmmm becuase none of these problems exist on the XBOX that somehow magically justifies Activision and invalidates all of my points? Christ Beamer, for someone clearly very intelligent you really can turn a blind eye to some major shit...
I'm not turning a blind eye. You said it objectively sucks major balls.
Here's the thing: It does on 2 out of 3 platforms. On the other platform it is actually one of the best games.
Average it together and you still don't get "objectively sucks major balls." Maybe I'm harping on you for semantics and splitting a hair that none of your complaints are valid on the platform the game sells the most on and therefore "objectively sucks major balls" as a blanket statement isn't true, but it gets very tiring to see people circle-jerking each other over how much more awesome they think they can be about hating Call of Duty and thinking they're better than everyone playing it (which, again, isn't me.)
It's like watching a bunch of teenagers in a high school cafeteria make fun of someone for liking Avenged Sevenfold instead of Converge. Seriously, it's a bunch of people in their 30s and 40s acting like children, and it's hard not to see it as anything other than them feeling threatened. |
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 21, 2012, 04:07 |
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Beamer wrote on Nov 20, 2012, 11:02:
InBlack wrote on Nov 20, 2012, 10:53:
You guys are completely missing the point arguing about subjective shit, when there are completely rational OBJECTIVE reasons why COD sucks MAJOR BALLZ!!!!
1st and foremost: RAMPANT CHEATING, Its utterly, utterly horrible and unnaceptable in any competitive multiplayer game especially one that is supposed to be the current "IN" game of the moment...
2nd (very connected to the first point): VERY LITTLE TO NO POST RELEASE SUPPORT. One of the main reasons why there is so much cheating going on, the devs dont give a fuck, they already have your money, and the community being disconnected and wiped every 6-10 months cant do shit about it...
3rd (very connected to the second and first points) NO COMMUNITY to stand for the players interest. Since these sonsofbitches release these 'itterations' every few months up to a year there is very little time for a community to build up adequately for said game. About the time people get organized and very vocal about the problems in said game BAM they release another one and the whole process is restarted....
I have a few other points but just those three are I think enough to prove my point that the Call of Duty franchise is the McDonalds of games, people are fucking addicted to it and cant help themselves even though they know they are fed shit....
1) Not on the Xbox. MW3 had very little Xbox cheating. From what I understand, tons of the PS3 and PC, but I won't play on those platforms. I put something like 180 hours into MW3 on XBL and can't remember a single wallhacker. There may have been one, but I think that was a YouTube video I watched.
2) There was a good amount of post release support in terms of tweaking and balancing. If you play on the Xbox, that's all you needed
3) There's an enormous community, which is why these games are so popular and a safe bet. As other people mentioned previously, some people only buy 3-4 games per year. It's much better for them to get the game everyone is getting, and therefore know they'll have a community filling multiplayer servers, than to take a risk on a game that may be better but no one may buy.
The CoD games may be terrible PC experiences, but they're quite good Xbox experiences.
So hmmmm becuase none of these problems exist on the XBOX that somehow magically justifies Activision and invalidates all of my points? Christ Beamer, for someone clearly very intelligent you really can turn a blind eye to some major shit... |
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 20, 2012, 14:58 |
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Sepharo wrote on Nov 20, 2012, 12:50:
"Community" is not the same as "player base". No dedicated servers, no admins, no mods... They've been stifling the community since 4.
I think it's a bit amusing because many of the current MP game modes started out as mods from players. The community is an awesome incubator for the industry, if they ever stopped taking a dump on them and noticed. |
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 20, 2012, 12:50 |
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| "Community" is not the same as "player base". No dedicated servers, no admins, no mods... They've been stifling the community since 4. |
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 20, 2012, 11:44 |
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Prez wrote on Nov 20, 2012, 05:07:
No it sure wasn't directed towards you. I realize now that you mention it that it sure looks like I was answering you, but trust me I wasn't. Sorry about that friend. 
No worries. 
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 20, 2012, 11:02 |
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InBlack wrote on Nov 20, 2012, 10:53:
You guys are completely missing the point arguing about subjective shit, when there are completely rational OBJECTIVE reasons why COD sucks MAJOR BALLZ!!!!
1st and foremost: RAMPANT CHEATING, Its utterly, utterly horrible and unnaceptable in any competitive multiplayer game especially one that is supposed to be the current "IN" game of the moment...
2nd (very connected to the first point): VERY LITTLE TO NO POST RELEASE SUPPORT. One of the main reasons why there is so much cheating going on, the devs dont give a fuck, they already have your money, and the community being disconnected and wiped every 6-10 months cant do shit about it...
3rd (very connected to the second and first points) NO COMMUNITY to stand for the players interest. Since these sonsofbitches release these 'itterations' every few months up to a year there is very little time for a community to build up adequately for said game. About the time people get organized and very vocal about the problems in said game BAM they release another one and the whole process is restarted....
I have a few other points but just those three are I think enough to prove my point that the Call of Duty franchise is the McDonalds of games, people are fucking addicted to it and cant help themselves even though they know they are fed shit....
1) Not on the Xbox. MW3 had very little Xbox cheating. From what I understand, tons of the PS3 and PC, but I won't play on those platforms. I put something like 180 hours into MW3 on XBL and can't remember a single wallhacker. There may have been one, but I think that was a YouTube video I watched.
2) There was a good amount of post release support in terms of tweaking and balancing. If you play on the Xbox, that's all you needed
3) There's an enormous community, which is why these games are so popular and a safe bet. As other people mentioned previously, some people only buy 3-4 games per year. It's much better for them to get the game everyone is getting, and therefore know they'll have a community filling multiplayer servers, than to take a risk on a game that may be better but no one may buy.
The CoD games may be terrible PC experiences, but they're quite good Xbox experiences. |
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 20, 2012, 10:53 |
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You guys are completely missing the point arguing about subjective shit, when there are completely rational OBJECTIVE reasons why COD sucks MAJOR BALLZ!!!!
1st and foremost: RAMPANT CHEATING, Its utterly, utterly horrible and unnaceptable in any competitive multiplayer game especially one that is supposed to be the current "IN" game of the moment...
2nd (very connected to the first point): VERY LITTLE TO NO POST RELEASE SUPPORT. One of the main reasons why there is so much cheating going on, the devs dont give a fuck, they already have your money, and the community being disconnected and wiped every 6-10 months cant do shit about it...
3rd (very connected to the second and first points) NO COMMUNITY to stand for the players interest. Since these sonsofbitches release these 'itterations' every few months up to a year there is very little time for a community to build up adequately for said game. About the time people get organized and very vocal about the problems in said game BAM they release another one and the whole process is restarted....
I have a few other points but just those three are I think enough to prove my point that the Call of Duty franchise is the McDonalds of games, people are fucking addicted to it and cant help themselves even though they know they are fed shit.... |
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 20, 2012, 05:07 |
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Creston wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 21:54:
Prez wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 20:57:
Like I said, feel free to feel all superior because your tastes in games, music, movies, whatever is so much more sophisticated (even though it really isn't. Sorry). I have heard this age-old baseless haughtiness for years of being a musician because if you like music genre 'X' then you are an idiot or if you don't think genre 'Y' is crap then clearly you don't know good music and yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah. Arrogance through self-attributed superiority isn't anything new; it's as old as the hills. I bet cavemen probably belittled the other cavemen who liked the simple, colorful cave paintings. 
Was that directed at me, or someone else? I'm asking since it was in direct reply to my post, but I'm not sure if you meant to direct it at me, or if you just hit reply on the newest post and meant it towards someone else.
Creston
No it sure wasn't directed towards you. I realize now that you mention it that it sure looks like I was answering you, but trust me I wasn't. Sorry about that friend.
Really, I ought to know that this is the internet and people will say things like "everyone who buys Game 'X' is a slack-jawed, mouth-breathing, pants-on-head retard!!!" and not really mean it. They are frustrated that great games with miles of depth, interactivity, choice, consequence, and challenge struggle to sell a million copies in their lifetime while soulless games like codblops sells that many in a day (hyperbole detector). Hell who wouldn't be? I am just a crabby asshole - I have been working for 3 straight weeks now without a day off and come home so tired that I can barely eat supper, much less play a game. I have 3 brand new games that I bought that I haven't been able to try AND a beta key for Path of Exile (courtesy of Wowbagger's generosity) that I've yet to use. Just ignore the slack-jawed, mouth-breathing, pants-on-head retard that I'm being until I get some rest and game time!
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 20, 2012, 02:15 |
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Dades wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 20:01:
You got it. I may be a miserable sonuvabitch but I don't subscribe to the backpatting, mollycoddling, bracelet wearing, everyone is a unique and special person modern culture crap. There are a lot of idiots out there and they have bad fucking taste in many different things and corporations chase them for every buck in their wallet.
Idiots with bad taste are the reason that modern horror movies are torture porn or found footage bullshit. Bad music is no longer mocked but openly celebrated in an orgy of advertising campaigns and Call of Duty gets 20 versions while Quake gets a handful. I might not be able to eradicate bad taste but I sure as hell can make fun of it.
Whew I've been saving that one up for awhile 
- DADES - This is a signature of my name, enjoy!
Well said and spot on. I hate those bracelet wearing motherfuckers!
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 21:54 |
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Prez wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 20:57:
Like I said, feel free to feel all superior because your tastes in games, music, movies, whatever is so much more sophisticated (even though it really isn't. Sorry). I have heard this age-old baseless haughtiness for years of being a musician because if you like music genre 'X' then you are an idiot or if you don't think genre 'Y' is crap then clearly you don't know good music and yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah. Arrogance through self-attributed superiority isn't anything new; it's as old as the hills. I bet cavemen probably belittled the other cavemen who liked the simple, colorful cave paintings.
Was that directed at me, or someone else? I'm asking since it was in direct reply to my post, but I'm not sure if you meant to direct it at me, or if you just hit reply on the newest post and meant it towards someone else.
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 21:40 |
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Prez wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 21:29:
Everything is just opinions man and I've seen you bitch about this sort of thing before too about different things so *shrug*
Erm, no you haven't. I can bitch as much as anyone but I do not paint with such a broad brush as calling people who like something I don't idiots. Never have, never will. Please stop trying to paint me as some irrational fanboy who is trying to stomp out criticism of his favorite game because it is plain that isn't what I am and that's not what I am doing. So *shrug* yourself.
I didn't try to paint you as a fanboy so I have no idea where that comes from, I think you misunderstood or I worded it poorly. I was talking in general, not about CoD specifically.
But yeah I'm pretty sure we've all bitched about things we don't like and the people who do from time to time. We've all been a little guilty of painting with a wide brush, whether its about games, politics or otherwise and I've certainly seen some names thrown around from time to time. I'm not going to go digging through peoples posts or something but I think we can all be forgiven for getting a little passionate about our favorite hobbies from time to time
Hell, I am not even remotely directing my comments at anyone criticizing the game itself, only the ones who belittle people they know nothing about over something as insignificant as choice of leisure activity. It's beyond me why you even felt compelled to respond to me, since you were the last person I was addressing.
Fair enough, maybe I misunderstood what you meant I guess being honest though I do feel like there are times where making light of people for a particular choice isn't such a bad thing. Maybe that does make me a bit smug or arrogant, I guess I can live with that. I don't think hatred or anything nasty is deserved of course. I should probably not post while drinking, this isn't making much sense.
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 21:29 |
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Everything is just opinions man and I've seen you bitch about this sort of thing before too about different things so *shrug*
Erm, no you haven't. I can bitch as much as anyone but I do not paint with such a broad brush as calling people who like something I don't idiots. Never have, never will. Please stop trying to paint me as some irrational fanboy who is trying to stomp out criticism of his favorite game because it is plain that isn't what I am and that's not what I am doing. So *shrug* yourself.
Hell, I am not even remotely directing my comments at anyone criticizing the game itself, only the ones who belittle people they know nothing about over something as insignificant as choice of leisure activity. It's beyond me why you even felt compelled to respond to me, since you were not in the group I was addressing.
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 21:28 |
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Dades wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 21:12:
Prez wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 20:57:
Like I said, feel free to feel all superior because your tastes in games, music, movies, whatever is so much more sophisticated (even though it really isn't. Sorry). I have heard this age-old baseless haughtiness for years of being a musician because if you like music genre 'X' then you are an idiot or if you don't think genre 'Y' is crap then clearly you don't know good music and yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah. Arrogance through self-attributed superiority isn't anything new; it's as old as the hills. I bet cavemen probably belittled the other cavemen who liked the simple, colorful cave paintings.
I don't have to feel superior to think that something is just garbage. I guess no one is allowed to complain about anything ever again because someone else might like it and their taste is just as valid as yours. Everything is subjective and we all make those judgements, conscious or unconsciously. Not like feigned detachment is another form of faux superiority or anything either!
- DADES - This is a signature of my name, enjoy!
So by implication, actual detachment, actually not caring if people like CoD (or Justin Bieber or whatever) is actual superiority?
Thank you Dades, that's very kind of you. |
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 21:23 |
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Prez wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 20:57:
Like I said, feel free to feel all superior because your tastes in games, music, movies, whatever is so much more sophisticated (even though it really isn't. Sorry). I have heard this age-old baseless haughtiness for years of being a musician because if you like music genre 'X' then you are an idiot or if you don't think genre 'Y' is crap then clearly you don't know good music and yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah. Arrogance through self-attributed superiority isn't anything new; it's as old as the hills. I bet cavemen probably belittled the other cavemen who liked the simple, colorful cave paintings.
Everything is just opinions man and I've seen you bitch about this sort of thing before too about different things so *shrug*
I'm not going to get into who likes what music or whatever but I think there have been some pretty fair criticisms of CoD here and in other topics which get dismissed once a single person mentions the fans. There's nothing wrong with some random person liking CoD and thinking its the best game in the universe but there might be something wrong with an industry where they basically print and assemble them like widgets every year. Does that say something about the people buying it? The industry itself? Who knows what the answer is but I think we used to demand more for our money and I'm a bit disheartened to see its so easy these days.
I don't think this sort of consolidation is good for the long term health of the industry but we'll have to wait and see on that. |
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 21:23 |
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Dades wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 21:12:
I guess no one is allowed to complain about anything ever again because someone else might like it and their taste is just as valid as yours. Not like feigned detachment is another form of faux superiority or anything either!
- DADES - This is a signature of my name, enjoy!
Oh no! I have fallen into the "bitching about people bitching about other people bitching" trap. It is know throughout the innerweb that from this trap there can be no escape! I yield, I yield!!
Honestly, I am not claiming that no one is allowed to do whatever they damn well choose - after all "Prez " is just my online moniker, not my title (though I will accept any and all votes in my quest to be Grand Poohbah of the Known Universe). I am just trying (and very obviously failing) to get the otherwise reasonable people to see that calling people idiots based on their choice of entertainment makes them sound like douches. |
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 21:12 |
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Prez wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 20:57:
Like I said, feel free to feel all superior because your tastes in games, music, movies, whatever is so much more sophisticated (even though it really isn't. Sorry). I have heard this age-old baseless haughtiness for years of being a musician because if you like music genre 'X' then you are an idiot or if you don't think genre 'Y' is crap then clearly you don't know good music and yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah. Arrogance through self-attributed superiority isn't anything new; it's as old as the hills. I bet cavemen probably belittled the other cavemen who liked the simple, colorful cave paintings.
I don't have to feel superior to think that something is just garbage. I guess no one is allowed to complain about anything ever again because someone else might like it and their taste is just as valid as yours. Everything is subjective and we all make those judgements, conscious or unconsciously. Not like feigned detachment is another form of faux superiority or anything either!
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 20:57 |
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| Like I said, feel free to feel all superior because your tastes in games, music, movies, whatever is so much more sophisticated (even though it really isn't. Sorry). I have heard this age-old baseless haughtiness for years of being a musician because if you like music genre 'X' then you are an idiot or if you don't think genre 'Y' is crap then clearly you don't know good music and yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah. Arrogance through self-attributed superiority isn't anything new; it's as old as the hills. I bet cavemen probably belittled the other cavemen who liked the simple, colorful cave paintings. |
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 20:36 |
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Prez wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 18:19:
Furthermore, in my opinion it's doubtful that even if Activision moved away from making yearly CoD games they would instead fund anything any more appetizing to PC gamers' tastes, so it's hard to make the argument that people buying CoD are somehow depriving us of anything of any more substance or depth.
The problem isn't Activision making Call of Duty. The problem is with everyone else ALSO trying to make Call of Duty.
If CoD stopped selling so well, Activision would still make it, but hopefully we'd see fewer of the shitty wanna-be's, and maybe the other publishers would invest in some different IPs.
It's unlikely, I know, but we can hope. That said, it's not right to put all the gaming industry's woes at the feet of Call of Duty. Like I'd said before, a lot of kids buy it because they get one or two games per year and they get it because they know they'll love it.
Beamer also made the point that if you're into competitive online play, Call of Duty is really where you HAVE to be, since that's where most everyone else is.
Even with all that, though, I'd love to see them do at least something new. (Though apparently Treyarch made some tiny baby-steps in that direction in the campaign at least. Who knows, I may buy another one in five or so years at this rate.)
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 20:01 |
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Cutter wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 18:50:
Prez wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 18:05:
Verno and Creston always make good points; it's others who seem to go out of their way to be derisive of gamers who dare to enjoy CoD.
If they aren't worthy of derision than who the fuck is? The nobility of man is to aspire always to greater heights, not descend into the morass of the lowest common denominator. Should people be applauded for popularizing Honey Boo Boo and Jerry Springer? America - and a lot of the rest of the world - is turning into an Idiocracy. That is not something to aspire to or applaud. And games like CoD are indicative of that sort of mentality. So yes, for anyone who aspires to more, those sorts of games should be met with a hail of derision.
You got it. I may be a miserable sonuvabitch but I don't subscribe to the backpatting, mollycoddling, bracelet wearing, everyone is a unique and special person modern culture crap. There are a lot of idiots out there and they have bad fucking taste in many different things and corporations chase them for every buck in their wallet.
Idiots with bad taste are the reason that modern horror movies are torture porn or found footage bullshit. Bad music is no longer mocked but openly celebrated in an orgy of advertising campaigns and Call of Duty gets 20 versions while Quake gets a handful. I might not be able to eradicate bad taste but I sure as hell can make fun of it.
Whew I've been saving that one up for awhile
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Re: Op Ed |
Nov 19, 2012, 18:50 |
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Prez wrote on Nov 19, 2012, 18:05:
Verno and Creston always make good points; it's others who seem to go out of their way to be derisive of gamers who dare to enjoy CoD.
If they aren't worthy of derision than who the fuck is? The nobility of man is to aspire always to greater heights, not descend into the morass of the lowest common denominator. Should people be applauded for popularizing Honey Boo Boo and Jerry Springer? America - and a lot of the rest of the world - is turning into an Idiocracy. That is not something to aspire to or applaud. And games like CoD are indicative of that sort of mentality. So yes, for anyone who aspires to more, those sorts of games should be met with a hail of derision.
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