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28. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 13:14 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 12:36:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 12:25:
Cutter wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 12:08:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:57:
InBlack wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:48:
This election has shown how easily the liberal democrats have been able to influence the minorities, less educated and poor in this country by telling them that they are all victims by tapping into the very core of human emotions - envy & covetousness. Manipulating them that the successful have cheated them out of what should be rightfully theirs, and that the rich not only owes them a living, but a living in the manner of their choosing.

Welcome to Capitalism 101. How does wealth accumulation work exactly do you think? In a finite closed system how do you 'acquire' wealth?? What exactly is wealth?? You argue with Beamer but do you even have any clear concept of the fundemantal principles you are talking about?

Person A finishes high school and gets a college degree in a field of their choice and a career based on whatever field. Saves money, is personally responsible and does not rack up credit card debt.
Person B Drops out of highschool, has 4 different kids by 4 different fathers and lives off the taxpayers on welfare and section 8 housing.

You tell me which of the two will go on to acquire wealth. If you picked the person who is personally responsible for themselves and works hard to make a life for THEMSELF you were right.

Yeah, and 9 out of 10 times the latter person is one who supports the GOP while the former is a Democrat. Ignorant, uneducated and in debt is what the GOP base is. Red states are overwhelmingly debtor states while Blue states are the ones that carry them. Jesus Christ, you are just entirely out of touch with even the smallest semblance of reality when it comes to the left and right.

lol sure thing cupcake, yep those people on welfare are going to support the party that wants to cut welfare. Obama gonna pay my mortgage types generally vote democrat, I know that clashes with your fantasy world but that's pretty much how it goes.


I'd be shocked if you make over $70,000, yet you're a die hard Republican.
Wealth does not play into this much. Education only at a higher level (college degrees no longer factor.)

Ignorance, possibly. Too many seem to not understand what a marginal tax rate is, or understand that in order for some to make more money others need to make less, or understand that no president has ever redistributed wealth to the extent Reagan did.

Wealth doesn't really play into it at all. While you liberals can name call and do the usual deflection tactics from our real issue, spending all you want.

None of that changes the fact that being personally responsible for oneself is the easiest way to get ahead in life. Granted I realize the very idea of being self reliant is a foreign concept to the liberal ideology to grow government and make us completely dependent on said government, however that is not a path to being successful.
 
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27. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 13:10 Axis
 
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 13:04:
Drooling boy-in-the-bubble syndrome.

Perception is reality and when you surround your life in the trappings of conservative/republican media you tend to dive off the deep end rather quickly now-a-days.

BUT THE LIBERALS THEY JUST AS BAD CAUSED BENGHAZI ATTACKS AND GIVING ALL OUR MONEYS AWAY!

gffk, you cant argue with stupid.

Proved my point wonderfully.
 
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26. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 13:04 Mordecai Walfish
 

Drooling boy-in-the-bubble syndrome.

Perception is reality and when you surround your life in the trappings of conservative/republican media you tend to dive off the deep end rather quickly now-a-days.

BUT THE LIBERALS THEY JUST AS BAD CAUSED BENGHAZI ATTACKS AND GIVING ALL OUR MONEYS AWAY!

gffk, you cant argue with stupid.
 
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25. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 12:57 Axis
 
The very reasonable comparison was:

Lets see how you'd react had it said this...

In the meantime it's being reported that President Bush has signed a "secret directive" to allow the military to "act more aggressively to thwart cyberattacks."

The left and the right both know exactly how liberals would respond -- hypocritically as ever wildly denouncing Bush.

But instead liberals respond by spewing personal attacks and wallowing in denial when faced with truth.
 
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23. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 12:36 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 12:25:
Cutter wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 12:08:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:57:
InBlack wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:48:
This election has shown how easily the liberal democrats have been able to influence the minorities, less educated and poor in this country by telling them that they are all victims by tapping into the very core of human emotions - envy & covetousness. Manipulating them that the successful have cheated them out of what should be rightfully theirs, and that the rich not only owes them a living, but a living in the manner of their choosing.

Welcome to Capitalism 101. How does wealth accumulation work exactly do you think? In a finite closed system how do you 'acquire' wealth?? What exactly is wealth?? You argue with Beamer but do you even have any clear concept of the fundemantal principles you are talking about?

Person A finishes high school and gets a college degree in a field of their choice and a career based on whatever field. Saves money, is personally responsible and does not rack up credit card debt.
Person B Drops out of highschool, has 4 different kids by 4 different fathers and lives off the taxpayers on welfare and section 8 housing.

You tell me which of the two will go on to acquire wealth. If you picked the person who is personally responsible for themselves and works hard to make a life for THEMSELF you were right.

Yeah, and 9 out of 10 times the latter person is one who supports the GOP while the former is a Democrat. Ignorant, uneducated and in debt is what the GOP base is. Red states are overwhelmingly debtor states while Blue states are the ones that carry them. Jesus Christ, you are just entirely out of touch with even the smallest semblance of reality when it comes to the left and right.

lol sure thing cupcake, yep those people on welfare are going to support the party that wants to cut welfare. Obama gonna pay my mortgage types generally vote democrat, I know that clashes with your fantasy world but that's pretty much how it goes.


I'd be shocked if you make over $70,000, yet you're a die hard Republican.
Wealth does not play into this much. Education only at a higher level (college degrees no longer factor.)

Ignorance, possibly. Too many seem to not understand what a marginal tax rate is, or understand that in order for some to make more money others need to make less, or understand that no president has ever redistributed wealth to the extent Reagan did.

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22. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 12:25 RollinThundr
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 12:08:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:57:
InBlack wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:48:
This election has shown how easily the liberal democrats have been able to influence the minorities, less educated and poor in this country by telling them that they are all victims by tapping into the very core of human emotions - envy & covetousness. Manipulating them that the successful have cheated them out of what should be rightfully theirs, and that the rich not only owes them a living, but a living in the manner of their choosing.

Welcome to Capitalism 101. How does wealth accumulation work exactly do you think? In a finite closed system how do you 'acquire' wealth?? What exactly is wealth?? You argue with Beamer but do you even have any clear concept of the fundemantal principles you are talking about?

Person A finishes high school and gets a college degree in a field of their choice and a career based on whatever field. Saves money, is personally responsible and does not rack up credit card debt.
Person B Drops out of highschool, has 4 different kids by 4 different fathers and lives off the taxpayers on welfare and section 8 housing.

You tell me which of the two will go on to acquire wealth. If you picked the person who is personally responsible for themselves and works hard to make a life for THEMSELF you were right.

Yeah, and 9 out of 10 times the latter person is one who supports the GOP while the former is a Democrat. Ignorant, uneducated and in debt is what the GOP base is. Red states are overwhelmingly debtor states while Blue states are the ones that carry them. Jesus Christ, you are just entirely out of touch with even the smallest semblance of reality when it comes to the left and right.

lol sure thing cupcake, yep those people on welfare are going to support the party that wants to cut welfare. Obama gonna pay my mortgage types generally vote democrat, I know that clashes with your fantasy world but that's pretty much how it goes.

 
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21. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 12:08 Cutter
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:57:
InBlack wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:48:
This election has shown how easily the liberal democrats have been able to influence the minorities, less educated and poor in this country by telling them that they are all victims by tapping into the very core of human emotions - envy & covetousness. Manipulating them that the successful have cheated them out of what should be rightfully theirs, and that the rich not only owes them a living, but a living in the manner of their choosing.

Welcome to Capitalism 101. How does wealth accumulation work exactly do you think? In a finite closed system how do you 'acquire' wealth?? What exactly is wealth?? You argue with Beamer but do you even have any clear concept of the fundemantal principles you are talking about?

Person A finishes high school and gets a college degree in a field of their choice and a career based on whatever field. Saves money, is personally responsible and does not rack up credit card debt.
Person B Drops out of highschool, has 4 different kids by 4 different fathers and lives off the taxpayers on welfare and section 8 housing.

You tell me which of the two will go on to acquire wealth. If you picked the person who is personally responsible for themselves and works hard to make a life for THEMSELF you were right.

Yeah, and 9 out of 10 times the latter person is one who supports the GOP while the former is a Democrat. Ignorant, uneducated and in debt is what the GOP base is. Red states are overwhelmingly debtor states while Blue states are the ones that carry them. Jesus Christ, you are just entirely out of touch with even the smallest semblance of reality when it comes to the left and right.
 
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20. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 12:08 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:57:
InBlack wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:48:
This election has shown how easily the liberal democrats have been able to influence the minorities, less educated and poor in this country by telling them that they are all victims by tapping into the very core of human emotions - envy & covetousness. Manipulating them that the successful have cheated them out of what should be rightfully theirs, and that the rich not only owes them a living, but a living in the manner of their choosing.

Welcome to Capitalism 101. How does wealth accumulation work exactly do you think? In a finite closed system how do you 'acquire' wealth?? What exactly is wealth?? You argue with Beamer but do you even have any clear concept of the fundemantal principles you are talking about?

Person A finishes high school and gets a college degree in a field of their choice and a career based on whatever field. Saves money, is personally responsible and does not rack up credit card debt.
Person B Drops out of highschool, has 4 different kids by 4 different fathers and lives off the taxpayers on welfare and section 8 housing.

You tell me which of the two will go on to acquire wealth. If you picked the person who is personally responsible for themselves and works hard to make a life for THEMSELF you were right.


This is a strawman. Person A is unlikely to get much wealth, but he expects quite a bit. Person B is really not even a part of this equation.

Stop fixating on Person B. Fixate on Person A. He's likely to come out of school and have trouble finding a job. Why? Because no one is hiring. Why is that?
1) Because it's more cost effective to send jobs overseas
2) Because the older employees aren't retiring, because they have no wealth to retire on
3) Because the company wants a higher margin, which means trimming G&A, which means running bare and asking employees to work "smarter" (i.e., harder) rather than bring people on
4) Because nearly every company has slashed and destroyed any training programs, and has no interest in bringing on those without experience (i.e., new grads)

So Person A graduates with giant loans, which made Albert Lord a millionaire 300 times over, and made the head of the college a millionaire many times over, but he cannot find a job.

When he finds a job he'll be paid less than he wants for it. He'll have little room to grow, because companies aren't thrilled about giving promotions these days, nor are they thrilled about raises. He may have a great idea to start his own company, but banks aren't giving capital, and he can't borrow from his parents because they're so focused on retiring without a nest egg.

What happened? Why is this going on?
See, when Reagan cut the top marginal tax bracket (I'm never sure you know what "marginal tax bracket" means) he allowed those that already have wealth to earn infinitely more wealth. Previously they were essentially capped at a certain amount. When the top marginal tax rate was 94% on anything over 1 million dollars per year, that meant that a guy earning 1.2 million dollars took home that million but only 12,000 of that final 200,000. So there was no real incentive for him to be paid that money. Instead the company would put that money elsewhere, typically in other salaries. It wasn't a problem to employ too many people if your company was profitable, because there were only so many places for those profits to go.

Reagan changed that. Now that guy at the top could keep the vast bulk of that 200,000. So could his neighbor, only his neighbor was keeping 500,000. So the first guy increased what he made. It became an arms race of keeping up with the Joneses. No one was a bad person, they were being rewarded for hard work and doing what their peers did.

Now cutting costs made a difference, because cut costs could result in high bonuses. Need to cut costs? Reduce the average raise your company gives that year. You cut 1% off the bottom line, so now you get a 1 million dollar bonus. Or reduce hiring, and get a bonus. Or drastically cut costs by sending jobs overseas. Get a bonus.

All of these massive cost cuts are done so that savings go in the pockets of the few. You have the management team getting huge bonuses for cutting costs, but these huge bonuses are part of the costs! You have the board getting huge bonuses. And you have, of course, the shareholders getting the stock price going up. You'll say something dumb, like "so people should buy stock!" but ~94% of all stock is held by 20% of all Americans. Again, the few. And most of those Americans have a paltry amount, like Person A's parents, who have invested as well as their Merill Lynch broker told them, mostly ignoring them because their half a million account is peanuts, and they're struggling to figure out how to make it last the final 20 years of their lives.

But that CEO that offered them an early retirement to cut some costs in the company, he got a $20MM bonus that year. He did something good, he cut costs, it doesn't make him evil. But he's incentivized to do things that greatly damage the middle class.



Some people here get furious when lawyers do a class action lawsuit and almost all of the reward goes into the lawyers pockets. But they think it's fine for a CEO to cut $50MM of salary and take a $20MM bonus for it. Why? Because he worked hard? So did those employees, and so did those class action attorneys.


But the bottom line is people like you focus so much on your Person B, but you ignore the fact that Person A is the one we should be talking about, and he's the one being screwed. You think Obama is the one screwing him, but you've never said how. How is Obama screwing him? What's screwing him is the current culture of companies cutting costs as much as possible to earn as much as possible to put that money in the hands of as few as possible.

Lastly, you dolt, it takes money to make money. People always, always forget this. If you are born with a large inheritance you're much more likely to leave one. Look at Trump - no real skills, has been bankrupt many times over, but he's super wealthy. Why? He was born that way. He got into real estate. Real estate is an easy game when you have money, but an impossible one when you do not. Just think of any economic based video game you've had, we'll use Drug Wars because everyone had it on their TI-82. When you start with $5 in your pocket it's difficult. You buy $5 of Ludes in NYC and sell it for $5.50 in SF. Fantastic, you made a 10% profit, but you're still poor. Later in the game, though, you're rich, so when you buy $5MM in Ludes in Atlanta and sell it for $5.5MM in Detroit it's the same profit, but having $500,000 is much, much nicer. You didn't work harder, you didn't work smarter, you just started with a much larger pool. That's reality. And, for that reason, the wealthy will almost always stay wealthy and the non-wealthy will almost always stay that way. If a guy that is born with $5,000 manages to increase his net worth 4000% over the course of his life he will leave $20,000 to his kids and everyone will shrug him off. If a guy is born with $5MM and increases his net worth 4000% he'll leave his kids $200MM and everyone will laud him as a genius.

You've never worked in a large corporation, have you? Or even a small one? And you've never managed people, have you? And you've never been involved in a discussion about cutting jobs, have you? (On that note, neither have all the people claiming the 1% is evil. When you're doing something that strengthens the company, you feel you're doing good. It may be bad for the economy, and bad for the individuals, but you think you're doing good. This is true even about stupid crap like always-on DRM, which people think is designed to screw consumers but is actually groups of people not quite able to see an entire picture and just seeing benefits, not detriments, but doing so innocently and with good intentions.)

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19. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 10:57 RollinThundr
 
InBlack wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:48:
This election has shown how easily the liberal democrats have been able to influence the minorities, less educated and poor in this country by telling them that they are all victims by tapping into the very core of human emotions - envy & covetousness. Manipulating them that the successful have cheated them out of what should be rightfully theirs, and that the rich not only owes them a living, but a living in the manner of their choosing.

Welcome to Capitalism 101. How does wealth accumulation work exactly do you think? In a finite closed system how do you 'acquire' wealth?? What exactly is wealth?? You argue with Beamer but do you even have any clear concept of the fundemantal principles you are talking about?

Person A finishes high school and gets a college degree in a field of their choice and a career based on whatever field. Saves money, is personally responsible and does not rack up credit card debt.
Person B Drops out of highschool, has 4 different kids by 4 different fathers and lives off the taxpayers on welfare and section 8 housing.

You tell me which of the two will go on to acquire wealth. If you picked the person who is personally responsible for themselves and works hard to make a life for THEMSELF you were right.

 
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18. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 10:48 InBlack
 
This election has shown how easily the liberal democrats have been able to influence the minorities, less educated and poor in this country by telling them that they are all victims by tapping into the very core of human emotions - envy & covetousness. Manipulating them that the successful have cheated them out of what should be rightfully theirs, and that the rich not only owes them a living, but a living in the manner of their choosing.

Welcome to Capitalism 101. How does wealth accumulation work exactly do you think? In a finite closed system how do you 'acquire' wealth?? What exactly is wealth?? You argue with Beamer but do you even have any clear concept of the fundemantal principles you are talking about?
 
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17. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 10:43 InBlack
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:18:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:08:
Beamer wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 07:47:
shihonage wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 02:02:
It's funny how under a "liberal" President America gets all kinds of suspect borderline-dictatory shit, like the airport TSA, surveillance drones, "cybersecurity" bills, constant secrecy, "tzars" that let him game the checks and balances of the system...

Still waiting until people wake up to the fact that Obama is not a classic Liberal but an actual hardcore Leftist, of dictator variety, made of the same cloth as the guys who ruled my former home - the Soviet Union.

"It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed." - Vladimir Lenin

Actually, he's a moderate close to right, like Eisenhower was.

Still waiting for this country to wake up and realize their stupid extremist takes completely clash with history or, honestly, reality.

No one on the right believes in robbing Peter to pay Paul. This is Obama's whole mission, to tax the rich and middle class until the rich get fed up and leave, and the middle class becomes poor, all while spending more money than the guy everyone complained about and voted out of office for spending too much money.

This is your hope and change in action.

Now you're an idiot.

1) OF COURSE THEY DO! What do you think the Reagan tax cuts were? Wealth redistribution! It robbed Peter to pay Paul! Jesus fucking christ, dude. The top 1% had 19.5% of the wealth pre-Reagan. They have 34.5% today. THAT IS GODDAMN WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION! THAT IS ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL! Holy shit you are stupid if you think the right does not believe in wealth distribution

2) OBAMA IS NOT TAXING THE MIDDLE CLASS! Again, holy fucking shit, dude. He is taxing people outside the middle class. Do you know what the average American family, i.e "The Middle" makes? $45,000 per year. Average. That's the middle

3) Do you know where that 15% of the wealth that the top 1% has now that it didn't have in the 1970s came from? It didn't come from the lower class, because they do not have 15% of the wealth. It came from the Middle. It was Reagan's cuts that took money from the middle



It isn't even worth engaging in you if you do not think that the Right took money directly from the middle class and gave it to the upper class. You either lack knowledge of history (likely) or critical thinking ability (also likely) if you use stupid terms like "robbing Peter to pay Paul" without realizing the right fucking did it, too.

I'm convinced you're a) an idiot b) with no knowledge of history and c) no knowledge of percentages. In order for one group to take a higher percentage, another group has to give up their own percentage. It all adds up to 100%. So, in order for the top to take an extra 15%, it has to come from somewhere. It came from you, you idiot. The right redistributed wealth directly from your paycheck to Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. It isn't that you bought something from them, and your money went to them, it is that taxation changes took the money from your paycheck.

But you're also a stupid ass that whines about how so few pay so much of the taxes, ignoring that that same few also takes so much of the income and has so much of the wealth. You're an idiot that thinks that each person should pay an equal amount of taxes but thinks its socialist (rightfully, here) for each person to make an equal amount of income. You're too stupid to realize that if one person makes significantly more of the total income of the country of course he'll pay significantly more in taxes. You compare percent of people to percent of taxes and totally ignore percent of people to percent of income, or even percent of income to percent of taxes.

You do not think. Ever.

If America had 100 people, and 99 of them made $1 each per year, with the last guy making $1MM per year, would you complain if that last guy paid all the taxes? No, it would make absolute sense. But, for some reason, you whine about a comparable (but more complicated) scenario here.

We dont agree on much but this was well said.
 
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15. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 10:18 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 10:08:
Beamer wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 07:47:
shihonage wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 02:02:
It's funny how under a "liberal" President America gets all kinds of suspect borderline-dictatory shit, like the airport TSA, surveillance drones, "cybersecurity" bills, constant secrecy, "tzars" that let him game the checks and balances of the system...

Still waiting until people wake up to the fact that Obama is not a classic Liberal but an actual hardcore Leftist, of dictator variety, made of the same cloth as the guys who ruled my former home - the Soviet Union.

"It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed." - Vladimir Lenin

Actually, he's a moderate close to right, like Eisenhower was.

Still waiting for this country to wake up and realize their stupid extremist takes completely clash with history or, honestly, reality.

No one on the right believes in robbing Peter to pay Paul. This is Obama's whole mission, to tax the rich and middle class until the rich get fed up and leave, and the middle class becomes poor, all while spending more money than the guy everyone complained about and voted out of office for spending too much money.

This is your hope and change in action.

Now you're an idiot.

1) OF COURSE THEY DO! What do you think the Reagan tax cuts were? Wealth redistribution! It robbed Peter to pay Paul! Jesus fucking christ, dude. The top 1% had 19.5% of the wealth pre-Reagan. They have 34.5% today. THAT IS GODDAMN WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION! THAT IS ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL! Holy shit you are stupid if you think the right does not believe in wealth distribution

2) OBAMA IS NOT TAXING THE MIDDLE CLASS! Again, holy fucking shit, dude. He is taxing people outside the middle class. Do you know what the average American family, i.e "The Middle" makes? $45,000 per year. Average. That's the middle

3) Do you know where that 15% of the wealth that the top 1% has now that it didn't have in the 1970s came from? It didn't come from the lower class, because they do not have 15% of the wealth. It came from the Middle. It was Reagan's cuts that took money from the middle



It isn't even worth engaging in you if you do not think that the Right took money directly from the middle class and gave it to the upper class. You either lack knowledge of history (likely) or critical thinking ability (also likely) if you use stupid terms like "robbing Peter to pay Paul" without realizing the right fucking did it, too.

I'm convinced you're a) an idiot b) with no knowledge of history and c) no knowledge of percentages. In order for one group to take a higher percentage, another group has to give up their own percentage. It all adds up to 100%. So, in order for the top to take an extra 15%, it has to come from somewhere. It came from you, you idiot. The right redistributed wealth directly from your paycheck to Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. It isn't that you bought something from them, and your money went to them, it is that taxation changes took the money from your paycheck.

But you're also a stupid ass that whines about how so few pay so much of the taxes, ignoring that that same few also takes so much of the income and has so much of the wealth. You're an idiot that thinks that each person should pay an equal amount of taxes but thinks its socialist (rightfully, here) for each person to make an equal amount of income. You're too stupid to realize that if one person makes significantly more of the total income of the country of course he'll pay significantly more in taxes. You compare percent of people to percent of taxes and totally ignore percent of people to percent of income, or even percent of income to percent of taxes.

You do not think. Ever.

If America had 100 people, and 99 of them made $1 each per year, with the last guy making $1MM per year, would you complain if that last guy paid all the taxes? No, it would make absolute sense. But, for some reason, you whine about a comparable (but more complicated) scenario here.

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14. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 10:08 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 07:47:
shihonage wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 02:02:
It's funny how under a "liberal" President America gets all kinds of suspect borderline-dictatory shit, like the airport TSA, surveillance drones, "cybersecurity" bills, constant secrecy, "tzars" that let him game the checks and balances of the system...

Still waiting until people wake up to the fact that Obama is not a classic Liberal but an actual hardcore Leftist, of dictator variety, made of the same cloth as the guys who ruled my former home - the Soviet Union.

"It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed." - Vladimir Lenin

Actually, he's a moderate close to right, like Eisenhower was.

Still waiting for this country to wake up and realize their stupid extremist takes completely clash with history or, honestly, reality.

No one on the right believes in robbing Peter to pay Paul. This is Obama's whole mission, to tax the rich and middle class until the rich get fed up and leave, and the middle class becomes poor, all while spending more money than the guy everyone complained about and voted out of office for spending too much money.

This is your hope and change in action.
 
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13. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 09:46 InBlack
 
shihonage wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 02:02:
It's funny how under a "liberal" President America gets all kinds of suspect borderline-dictatory shit, like the airport TSA, surveillance drones, "cybersecurity" bills, constant secrecy, "tzars" that let him game the checks and balances of the system...

Still waiting until people wake up to the fact that Obama is not a classic Liberal but an actual hardcore Leftist, of dictator variety, made of the same cloth as the guys who ruled my former home - the Soviet Union.

"It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed." - Vladimir Lenin

Oh so you dont consider Vladimir Putin a dictator? A person who has basically rewritten the constitution to allow him to run for president an infinite number of times??

Dont get me wrong, I dont really think Putin is such a bad guy. At least you can point a finger at him and say "He did it..."

You are mixing apples and oranges here. The problem with the american presidency (and the entire executive and legislative branch) is that it is not really beholden to the people but is beholden to shadowy secretive lobbyist groups and corporations who are in essence much worse than any one dictator as their agendas remain largely unknown and even worse cant be held accountable. The military-industrial complex is a big part of this (The NSA falls under military jurisdiction).

Who is president doesnt really matter. Presidents come and go in the US, some of them might even do something for the general public but after 9/11 its becoming ever more apparent that they arent really running the show...

Now I ask you what is scarier? An authoritarian dictator or a society that puts on a 'show' of democracy and yet in all other respects has little regard for its own leaders, is slowly but surely destroying civil liberties, polices the world on its own terms and yet has no one who can be held accountable....

Notice I said society, not country. This is much bigger than any one country...

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12. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 07:47 Beamer
 
shihonage wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 02:02:
It's funny how under a "liberal" President America gets all kinds of suspect borderline-dictatory shit, like the airport TSA, surveillance drones, "cybersecurity" bills, constant secrecy, "tzars" that let him game the checks and balances of the system...

Still waiting until people wake up to the fact that Obama is not a classic Liberal but an actual hardcore Leftist, of dictator variety, made of the same cloth as the guys who ruled my former home - the Soviet Union.

"It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed." - Vladimir Lenin

Actually, he's a moderate close to right, like Eisenhower was.

Still waiting for this country to wake up and realize their stupid extremist takes completely clash with history or, honestly, reality.
 
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11. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 07:12 xXBatmanXx
 
Well, if you are going to cherry pick, lets move onto the 2nd paragraph:

The really troubling part in all of this is the really unnecessary level of secrecy. We keep being told scary bogeyman stories about online attacks without any evidence or proof. And now the President is signing a "secret" order allowing the military to do more in response? Without any real scrutiny, it's not difficult to see how these things expand unceasingly and are wide open for abuse. Given the NSA's track record here, it's inevitable that these efforts will be massively abused.

 
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10. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 03:26 NegaDeath
 
shihonage wrote on Nov 16, 2012, 02:02:
It's funny how under a "liberal" President America gets all kinds of suspect borderline-dictatory shit, like the airport TSA, surveillance drones, "cybersecurity" bills, constant secrecy, "tzars" that let him game the checks and balances of the system...

Still waiting until people wake up to the fact that Obama is not a classic Liberal but an actual hardcore Leftist, of dictator variety, made of the same cloth as the guys who ruled my former home - the Soviet Union.

"It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed." - Vladimir Lenin

People complain about the other team trying to rape them and ignore it when their own leaders do it because they spoon you afterwards. They're all bad. For as long a list as you can compile to prove the other team is bad, they can pull out an equally long list about yours. Then you bicker about their #7 entry (Drones, TSA, etc) being worse than your #5 (Patriot Act, unjustified wa, etcr) and it keeps going until you end up talking about stuff from 20 years ago. Meanwhile as your distracted the politicians get lubed up to give you another go (if they're nice enough to use lube).
 
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9. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 16, 2012, 02:02 shihonage
 
It's funny how under a "liberal" President America gets all kinds of suspect borderline-dictatory shit, like the airport TSA, surveillance drones, "cybersecurity" bills, constant secrecy, "tzars" that let him game the checks and balances of the system...

Still waiting until people wake up to the fact that Obama is not a classic Liberal but an actual hardcore Leftist, of dictator variety, made of the same cloth as the guys who ruled my former home - the Soviet Union.

"It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed." - Vladimir Lenin
 
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