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Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1?

A recent forum post by Microsoft employee Daniel Moth indicates that DirectX 11.1 is exclusive to Windows 8, much the way DirectX 10 was not released for versions of Windows before Vista, saying it is integrated into the new version of the operating system. Here's word on where this stands right now: "DirectX 11.1 is part of Windows 8, just like DirectX 11 was part of Windows 7. DirectX 11 was made available for Vista .... but at this point there is no plan for DirectX 11.1 to be made available on Windows 7." Neowin was told "we have nothing further to share" after contacting Microsoft for further comment on this. The biggest difference between DirectX 11.1 and DirectX 11 seems to be native stereoscopic 3D support, so this should not impact serious gamers anyway. Thanks VG247.

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53. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 20:27 NKD
 
Waah waah Windows 8 sucks!

Oh wait, restore the Start menu via a mod, and it's an all-around solid improvement to Windows 7. I don't even use that mod and I would never go back to 7. Too many nice incremental improvements to just about every part of the operating system. They add up in a big way.

Anyway, this isn't a repeat of Vista/DX10 either, since there is no associated gaming marketing push. In short, they don't care if you upgrade to DX 11.1 or not, and aren't touting it as a major benefit of upgrading to 8.
 
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52. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 19:37 RailWizard
 
If by some miracle I do decide to run Win8, you can bet your ass I will NOT be paying for it.  
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51. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 18:44 noman
 
It's not a big deal. DX11.1 (and to some extent WDDM1.2 changes) are more about making efficient and power-friendly use of DirectX in WinRT (metro) apps, a factor which doesn't have any relevance to previous version of Windows in any case.

There are very few changes worth mentioning, and even things like CPU fallback options only seem relevant to embedded platforms.

I doubt even anyone in MS thinks that this move can cause folks to upgrade to Win8. This is not like DX10, or DX10.1 or even DX8.1 for that matter.

It's hardly worth talking about. One might as well complain that MS is not backporting WinRT (metro) apps to Windows7 and Vista. I'd also think, that the backporting effort would be far more involved (and with little to no benefit to Win7/Vista users) with WARP/WDDM1.2, compared to the work done on having DX11 on Vista.

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50. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 17:08 Beelzebud
 
Go Linux Go!  
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49. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 16:09 MajorD
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 14:37:
MajorD wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 11:43:
Cutter wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 11:40:
Ozmodan wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 10:18:
It will take game companies years to integrate 3D in their games and why bother it is more fluff than a needed feature.

Spot on. By the time anyone makes use of it - if they ever actually do - Win9 will be out and we'll be on DX12.

And we just 'might' be enjoying Half-Life 3 by then. Wink


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48. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 16:09 Simon Says
 
Microsoft trying to pull a vista/dx10 exclusive move once again to shove a new OS down into gamers throat. THAT WAS SO PREDICTABLE! XD Come on, who didn't see it coming the moment they saw Win8 was total crap? I remember telling myself that they'd probably try a move like this.

Time to let DirectX die and move to openGL maybe dear devs?
 
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47. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 16:07 TurdFergasun
 
or you could do none of that inane crap and ignore win8 like the red-headed orphan you lock in the cellar with a bucket of fisheads.  
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46. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 15:58 John
 
Yeah, or just install something like StartIsBack for Win8 and you can bypass the Metro Start screen completely. At first I didn't like Win8 either because of the whole Metro thing, but once I found that it is basically just another desktop window which can be bypassed, I didn't mind it so much.  
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45. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 15:49 Bet
 
Verno wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 15:39:
You can't install metro apps at all without making a microsoft account (or whatever they are calling it this week). Most of the official apps are completely neutered without signing in to it as well. There are no known methods of sideloading Metro apps either. Not that it really matters, most of the apps are either popular ones people have elsewhere or mediocre. I think the best way to treat Windows 8 is acting like Metro doesn't exist by disabling it with third party software, it offers nothing to a desktop user.
They're sure keeping Stardock in business forever, this way!
 
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44. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 15:39 Verno
 
You can't install metro apps at all without making a microsoft account (or whatever they are calling it this week). Most of the official apps are completely neutered without signing in to it as well. There are no known methods of sideloading Metro apps either. Not that it really matters, most of the apps are either popular ones people have elsewhere or mediocre. I think the best way to treat Windows 8 is acting like Metro doesn't exist by disabling it with third party software, it offers nothing to a desktop user.  
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43. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 15:33 Crustacean Soup
 
wtf_man wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 14:56:
Nor do I want to be forced into the cloud (Windows Live ID), nor do I want to be forced into an MS Store.
And that's... neither of those things are so.

You can link your ID to a... whatever the hell Microsoft calls their universal accounts now. Or you can not. I don't know what you get when you do other than some Metro apps asking for access to stored credit card info (actually, reminds me of the third Metro App I've used: Microsoft's "Videos" app. Just rented Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace in 1080p, where iTunes only had them in 720p), and um. I guess it saves your settings and wallpaper on the cloud?

I used the store to download the Pinball FX 2 demo. You're never forced into there unless you're using a Windows RT device (which is comparable to an iOS device) or really want to use Metro apps on Windows 8-proper for some odd reason.
 
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42. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 15:24 saluk
 
Eh, start up the desktop and forget about metro. I like the look of the win8 desktop better than win7 aero.

Not a reason to upgrade, but after using win8 for a week it's decidedly not awful, and doesn't really feel like a step back. The inclusion of metro really makes sense for the convertible laptops, and I don't mind that it's also included on the desktop. I can see myself doing some stuff from metro and not starting the desktop if I am mobile and wanting to save battery.

You are in no way forced into the tablet optimized interface or the windows store. At least not yet

If you aren't on a laptop at all, well, metro is pretty worthless Directx11.1 may not be a reason to upgrade, I still can't think of a compelling reason to upgrade, but I'm pretty happy with windows 8. It's nothing like the horror vista was.
 
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41. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 15:19 Crustacean Soup
 
wtf_man wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 14:56:
And while you claim no loss in productivity, it is very apparent that the bastardized mesh of metro vs. thick client apps does not work well for the mouse and keyboard, vs. a touch screen, according to most people that have experienced it, including technical journalists.
No loss in productivity. It's actually so, I'm not bullshitting. The only thing I've lost that I've noticed are jumplists, and I only used those with Visual Studio (which has a "most recent" list on the default first screen, so the difference is minimal).

I don't have to interface with actual Metro apps if I don't want to, and generally I don't want to. I use the Calendar, but only for its notifications; I still use Google Calendar for setting up/managing my calendar, the Windows one just syncs with it. I use the music app because of free music streaming. That's about it. (This is part of why I wouldn't recommend Windows 8 to existing Windows 7 users of course; the Metro apps that make up the bulk of the upgrade are avoidable and forgettable)

The only forced entry into Metro is in the start menu, which doesn't bug me. Starting programs? Windows Key, first few letters of name, Enter. Programs can be pinned to the start menu. It's just as usable as Windows 7 or Vista's start menu. I honestly thought it would be more awkward from all the complaining from tech journalists, but no.

Maybe you'd notice some awkwardness if you actually wanted to use the Metro apps, and tried to use them alongside the desktop apps. As far as I know, the two sides don't really interface well. I don't so I don't. I've never felt "forced" into Metro-world.
 
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40. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 14:56 wtf_man
 
Crustacean Soup wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 14:37:
Fine, I assumed you'd base your choice of operating systems ("the last OS I get from MS") on productivity instead of cosmetics. I guess we just have different things in mind when we choose software.

I wouldn't advocate for purchasing Windows 8 if you already have Windows 7 mind you (I did it partially for development purposes, but since I don't mind the OS I also don't mind having it replace 7 as my main work OS). It's a nice but fairly minor upgrade; it kind of reminds me of an OS X upgrade, and I tend to only get every-other one of those.

Although cosmetics aren't the be-all end all, they are a factor.

XP -> Vista... I was indifferent to Aero, and did not upgrade.
XP -> 7... I was still indifferent to Aero, but upgraded since Aero was acceptable and the under the hood improvements over Vista were vast.

8 is a complete eye-sore to me. I can't stare at that all day long.

Bought an iMac in 2007 (OSX Leopard). An utter pleasure to work with, compared to XP, and Aero (in Vista and 7), hence my desktop of choice for everything except gaming. AS far as I'm concerned, Win8 is a major step backwards as far as look and feel are concerned. And while you claim no loss in productivity, it is very apparent that the bastardized mesh of metro vs. thick client apps does not work well for the mouse and keyboard, vs. a touch screen, according to most people that have experienced it, including technical journalists.

My 3rd choice would be Linux Mint's Cinnamon Desktop. The overlying thing to Win7, OSX, and Cinnamon is that they are designed for the mouse and keyboard on a desktop... not touch screens on a tablet or phone. I really don't want tablet and phone optimized UI's on my desktop. Nor do I want to be forced into the cloud (Windows Live ID), nor do I want to be forced into an MS Store.

Why is that acceptable for Apple and not MS? Because OSX doesn't force you into those things things, and IOS started out the gate that way (forcing you into their app store). If MS pulled that shit only on phones and Tablets, I wouldn't bitch. But forcing that shit on the Desktop... they can get bent, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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39. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 14:48 Verno
 
Prez wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 14:24:
Personally I can't fathom why anyone would care about DirectX 11.1 - there isn't a chance in hell that games will be made that require it exclusively. Like has already been said it's doubtful it will even get used by game designers.

Exactly. Microsoft can't even be bothered to make their own first party games anymore.
 
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38. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 14:38 Zanderat1
 
Verno wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 10:54:
Zanderat1 wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 10:51:
Not a big deal. If I do upgrade to W8, I'll be using Start8 to banish the Metro bs gui.

Get StartIsBack instead would be my suggestion - cheaper, uses the old native Start Menu code they had to leave in so jumplists could work and you won't be supporting crazy ass weirdo Brad as an added bonus
I'll check it out. Thanks.
 
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37. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 14:37 Crustacean Soup
 
wtf_man wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 14:30:
Who said it had anything to do with productivity?

Fine, I assumed you'd base your choice of operating systems ("the last OS I get from MS") on productivity instead of cosmetics. I guess we just have different things in mind when we choose software.

I wouldn't advocate for purchasing Windows 8 if you already have Windows 7 mind you (I did it partially for development purposes, but since I don't mind the OS I also don't mind having it replace 7 as my main work OS). It's a nice but fairly minor upgrade; it kind of reminds me of an OS X upgrade, and I tend to only get every-other one of those.
 
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36. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 14:37 Cutter
 
MajorD wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 11:43:
Cutter wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 11:40:
Ozmodan wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 10:18:
It will take game companies years to integrate 3D in their games and why bother it is more fluff than a needed feature.

Spot on. By the time anyone makes use of it - if they ever actually do - Win9 will be out and we'll be on DX12.

And we just 'might' be enjoying Half-Life 3 by then. Wink


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35. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 14:30 Crustacean Soup
 
Flatline wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 14:12:
If the next xbox runs with 11.1 or whatever, then that's what devs will program with, and we'll have to update sooner rather than later. If they go with an earlier DX, Windows 8 will be an abortion.

I'm looking at the "what's new in DX 11.1" page right now. There's some nice things in there, but it's not like the change from DX9 to DX10/11. There's bound to be much larger differences between a PC port and a next-Xbox version than this, I'm sure it won't really factor into anything if Microsoft supports a variant of DX11.1 on the console.
 
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34. Re: Win8 Exclusive DirectX 11.1? Nov 12, 2012, 14:30 wtf_man
 
Crustacean Soup wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 14:22:
wtf_man wrote on Nov 12, 2012, 12:20:
Win7 appears to be the last OS I get from MS. - I really hate Metro that much.

Meh. I'm using Windows 8 right now. It's fine. Honestly, it hasn't cost me any productivity. The only thing I can think of that I've lost is the launch lists for start menu shortcuts (highlighting Visual Studio and being able to click on a recently-opened project right in the start menu), and I only ever noticed one or two programs making use of that in Windows 7 anyways.

Who said it had anything to do with productivity?

I think it's fugly as hell and refuse to use it. I don't like the tile interface, and I don't like Metro Apps. Period. There is no talking me into "getting used to it". I just don't fuckin' like it... plain and simple.

And no... I'm not going to support Microsoft by purchasing their fugly new OS... then modifying it with a "more acceptable shell". While Metro is FORCED upon me... they get zero more dollars from me. If Win 9 or whatever gives me a legitimate option to completely disable metro... then I'll buy that... but I highly doubt that is going to happen... so that makes Win7 to most likely be my last MS OS.

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