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Well today is Election Day here in the U.S., our annual opportunity to practice democracy (insert joke here about continuing to practice until we get it right). Here's hoping all those who are registered get out and vote, and that the process proceeds smoothly.

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56. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 15:37 Bodolza
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 15:18:
The fact of the matter is Cutter, his party controlled both the house and the senate for his first 2 years of office and he still couldn't even pass a budget.
This isn't true. He had control for about 4 months - 2 of which they weren't in session. Whoever told you that is lying to you. They are controlling you through their lies. I urge you to stop believing those who lie to you.

Spending to the point of oblivion for the sake of spending to the point of obvlion is bad regardless of what party you're affliated with.

PropheT already provides some facts about this, and NO party is advocating your view. Why do you think this way?
 
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55. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 15:18 RollinThundr
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 15:08:
Oh don't mind Thunbder, everyone knows by now that like most of the rank and file GOP he'll never let actual facts stand in the way of a good rant against the Democrats. Obama isn't a miracle worker and it's hard to get anything done when the GOP oppose the man at every turn no matter how much he strives to cross the aisle and work together. And how would Romney's plans be any better? Oh wait, he doesn't have any. At leas none that he's shared publicly. What we've seen privately is that he believes at least 47% of the country are parasites who shouldn't even be entitled to food. Yeah, I can see where the GOP is a real boon to working people everywhere just like they always are...cut taxes on the rich and big biz, farm out domestic jobs, keep letting the military-industrial complex bankrupt the country. And the most fascinating part is they convince their followers to believe that all the resultant problem of that is the fault of the democrats. Amazing!!! It's like the greatest illusion of all time.

And yes, there are pretty major differences in the left and right, just go google some voting records.

The fact of the matter is Cutter, his party controlled both the house and the senate for his first 2 years of office and he still couldn't even pass a budget. (still waiting btw) Yet it's still Bush's fault, or the Republicans fault, or its little Timmy down the street's fault. Clinton actually worked with the Republicans, if you can honestly say Obama has done the same I'll just come out and say it bluntly, you're an idiot.

Liberals amaze me at their ability to consistantly blame everyone else yet manage to never take responsibility for anything unless it's a good thing.

Spending to the point of oblivion for the sake of spending to the point of obvlion is bad regardless of what party you're affliated with. Common sense man. And I'm sorry if taxing the 1% a little more which realistically won't make a difference without making significant cuts, along with a healthcare tax which is essentially what obamacare is, another revenue stream to spend spend spend, aren't exactly top of my list of great ideas.

 
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54. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 15:12 Cutter
 
The Half Elf wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 15:07:
I just can't stand flip-floppers. As much as I hated Bush, and how unpopular some of his choices were, he stuck to them and got them done.

That administration ran roughshod over everyone in all the wrong ways. That's not how you govern a nation split down the middle. That's how you end a nation. I honestly don't see it too long before people on both sides start seriously talking about secession. If the best that can be managed is polarized nation that can't get anything done except fight and point fingers then what's the point?

I voted this morning (easy to hit the polls at 6am when you always get up at 3am), but why do I feel that this country, regardless of who wins, is going to have a very rough 4 years? And that's not including the end of the world next month.

*runs off to buy canned goods and shotgun shells*

On a less serious note I heard a great ad for GM on the radio today. It's for their Apocalypse sale - with apocalyptic savings! I actually thought it was a joke at first. Man, I wish I could find it online, it's really effing funny.
 
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53. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 15:09 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 14:54:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 14:31:
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 13:56:
Lately I've been leaning toward the point of view that Obama being re-elected would be better for us than Romney getting in. The problem with ousting an incumbent is the false perception of change associated with it... That would lead many outraged and outspoken Americans to calm down and stop paying attention to what's really going on, because they assume a change in president will mean a change in policy. "OH YEAH, we kicked him out! Good job fellas, now we can go home..."

Meanwhile, I have zero confidence whatsoever that Romney will do anything substantially different than Obama has been doing. As much as I would like to see it proven that R vs. D doesn't mean a goddamn thing in mainstream politics anymore, it would be too detrimental to the current growing subculture of dissent. So, I hope Obama wins, if only to further stoke the fires burning beneath the feet of the angry mobs. Maybe four more years of his "hope and change" will finally spur some improvements around here.

I think we pretty much know what we're getting with Obama. A big spender who flat out refuses to compromise to get anything done who won't even seriously talk about cuts unless it's military, which is crazy when you're fighting 3 wars essentially. Yet he'll win because he's a better public speaker and more "hip" with the hipsters.

It's simply amazing to me that most Americans seem to not care about the massive amount of debt he's added in just 4 short years. Obama was so critical of Bush adding 4 trillion of debt over 8 years, he just had to top him adding 5 trillion in only 4. Yep let's all vote for Obama, bankrupting the country and selling our souls to a communinst nation in China are wonderful ideals.

I would have to vote with my conscience first and there are too many question marks surrounding the changes Romney wants and what policies he will dismantle. For better or for worse Obama mostly has actual plans for his ideas so it should be no surprise that people are going with the known quantity, no one likes an unknown in politics. I will likely just abstain from voting altogether, it's a cop out but at least I'll feel good about it.

When you're trying to assign blame, look no further than the kooks in our own party who ruined a decent female voter push with rape comments and talk about abortion policy regression.

Oh I totally hear ya about the rape stuff, it's like can those idiots in the republican party do those of us with conservative views a favor and duct tape their mouths before more stupid comes out.

My conscience is the reason I won't vote for Obama, we simply cannot keep spending like we are, be it R or D. Mittens at the very least keeps talking about cuts, PBS shouldn't be funded by the gov anyway, nor NPR, I don't care if it's .001% of what's spent or not, when you add up all the .00XX%'s overall it's trillions. Just because Obama has a clear plan of spend til we're broke and raise taxes, doesn't make it a good plan. I actually heard a political ad of his on the way into work this morning and he actually comes out and says "I want the rich to just pay a little more" Um that's great Obama, it still won't come near to even denting all the money you're throwing out into the street for no damn reason.

Government's role should be infrastructure, roads, police fire etc. and that's where it should end. States should be setting policy on a local level based on the needs of that area, give states the power and limit the size and spending of government.
 
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52. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 15:08 Cutter
 
Oh don't mind Thunbder, everyone knows by now that like most of the rank and file GOP he'll never let actual facts stand in the way of a good rant against the Democrats. Obama isn't a miracle worker and it's hard to get anything done when the GOP oppose the man at every turn no matter how much he strives to cross the aisle and work together. And how would Romney's plans be any better? Oh wait, he doesn't have any. At leas none that he's shared publicly. What we've seen privately is that he believes at least 47% of the country are parasites who shouldn't even be entitled to food. Yeah, I can see where the GOP is a real boon to working people everywhere just like they always are...cut taxes on the rich and big biz, farm out domestic jobs, keep letting the military-industrial complex bankrupt the country. And the most fascinating part is they convince their followers to believe that all the resultant problem of that is the fault of the democrats. Amazing!!! It's like the greatest illusion of all time.

And yes, there are pretty major differences in the left and right, just go google some voting records.
 
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51. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 15:07 The Half Elf
 
I just can't stand flip-floppers. As much as I hated Bush, and how unpopular some of his choices were, he stuck to them and got them done.

I voted this morning (easy to hit the polls at 6am when you always get up at 3am), but why do I feel that this country, regardless of who wins, is going to have a very rough 4 years? And that's not including the end of the world next month.

*runs off to buy canned goods and shotgun shells*
 
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50. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 14:54 Verno
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 14:31:
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 13:56:
Lately I've been leaning toward the point of view that Obama being re-elected would be better for us than Romney getting in. The problem with ousting an incumbent is the false perception of change associated with it... That would lead many outraged and outspoken Americans to calm down and stop paying attention to what's really going on, because they assume a change in president will mean a change in policy. "OH YEAH, we kicked him out! Good job fellas, now we can go home..."

Meanwhile, I have zero confidence whatsoever that Romney will do anything substantially different than Obama has been doing. As much as I would like to see it proven that R vs. D doesn't mean a goddamn thing in mainstream politics anymore, it would be too detrimental to the current growing subculture of dissent. So, I hope Obama wins, if only to further stoke the fires burning beneath the feet of the angry mobs. Maybe four more years of his "hope and change" will finally spur some improvements around here.

I think we pretty much know what we're getting with Obama. A big spender who flat out refuses to compromise to get anything done who won't even seriously talk about cuts unless it's military, which is crazy when you're fighting 3 wars essentially. Yet he'll win because he's a better public speaker and more "hip" with the hipsters.

It's simply amazing to me that most Americans seem to not care about the massive amount of debt he's added in just 4 short years. Obama was so critical of Bush adding 4 trillion of debt over 8 years, he just had to top him adding 5 trillion in only 4. Yep let's all vote for Obama, bankrupting the country and selling our souls to a communinst nation in China are wonderful ideals.

I would have to vote with my conscience first and there are too many question marks surrounding the changes Romney wants and what policies he will dismantle. For better or for worse Obama mostly has actual plans for his ideas so it should be no surprise that people are going with the known quantity, no one likes an unknown in politics. I will likely just abstain from voting altogether, it's a cop out but at least I'll feel good about it.

When you're trying to assign blame, look no further than the kooks in our own party who ruined a decent female voter push with rape comments and talk about abortion policy regression.
 
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49. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 14:54 Hoop
 
nin wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 14:20:
Check yo'self before you wreck yo'self, Hoop!

I read some Vegas Casino Billionare is spending up to 100 million in promotion of Romney, while I don't quite have that budget I figure spamming blues(appolgies Blue)may just tip the balance.
Now go vote!
 
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48. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 14:51 PropheT
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 14:31:
I think we pretty much know what we're getting with Obama. A big spender who flat out refuses to compromise to get anything done who won't even seriously talk about cuts unless it's military, which is crazy when you're fighting 3 wars essentially. Yet he'll win because he's a better public speaker and more "hip" with the hipsters.

It's simply amazing to me that most Americans seem to not care about the massive amount of debt he's added in just 4 short years. Obama was so critical of Bush adding 4 trillion of debt over 8 years, he just had to top him adding 5 trillion in only 4. Yep let's all vote for Obama, bankrupting the country and selling our souls to a communinst nation in China are wonderful ideals.

I'm not sure where you're getting information, and I definitely don't want to get into a political debate here about one candidate versus another, but a lot of what you're talking about here isn't based in reality.

WSJ article on government spending

"After adjusting for inflation, spending under Obama is falling at a 1.4% annual pace the first decline in real spending since the early 1970s, when Richard Nixon was retreating from the quagmire in Vietnam."

Anyway, just irks me when someone pulls up the fast-talker "hipster" card and follows it up with the talking points of the day from the RNC entertainment/news network.
 
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47. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 14:39 sauron
 
Jivaro wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 13:25:
Creston wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 12:51:
Jeraxle wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 12:12:
Either way, I have a war to go fight. Night missions are fun! =)

Stay safe, man!

Creston

What Creston said. Good luck and stay safe.

And yep, stay safe!
 
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46. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 14:38 sauron
 
1badmf wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 14:15:
i tell you, one of the saddest days of my adult life was when i realized i was smarter than the president and leader of the free world, and likely by a significant margin. afterwards, hearing my coworkers' reasons for voting for him completely soured me to the political process.

Yep, there have been smart presidents, and there have been dumb ones, and then there have been ones that might have been insane.

Sadly, I'm not sure which type is more dangerous.
 
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45. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 14:31 RollinThundr
 
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 13:56:
Lately I've been leaning toward the point of view that Obama being re-elected would be better for us than Romney getting in. The problem with ousting an incumbent is the false perception of change associated with it... That would lead many outraged and outspoken Americans to calm down and stop paying attention to what's really going on, because they assume a change in president will mean a change in policy. "OH YEAH, we kicked him out! Good job fellas, now we can go home..."

Meanwhile, I have zero confidence whatsoever that Romney will do anything substantially different than Obama has been doing. As much as I would like to see it proven that R vs. D doesn't mean a goddamn thing in mainstream politics anymore, it would be too detrimental to the current growing subculture of dissent. So, I hope Obama wins, if only to further stoke the fires burning beneath the feet of the angry mobs. Maybe four more years of his "hope and change" will finally spur some improvements around here.

I think we pretty much know what we're getting with Obama. A big spender who flat out refuses to compromise to get anything done who won't even seriously talk about cuts unless it's military, which is crazy when you're fighting 3 wars essentially. Yet he'll win because he's a better public speaker and more "hip" with the hipsters.

It's simply amazing to me that most Americans seem to not care about the massive amount of debt he's added in just 4 short years. Obama was so critical of Bush adding 4 trillion of debt over 8 years, he just had to top him adding 5 trillion in only 4. Yep let's all vote for Obama, bankrupting the country and selling our souls to a communinst nation in China are wonderful ideals.
 
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44. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 14:20 nin
 

Check yo'self before you wreck yo'self, Hoop!

 
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43. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 14:15 1badmf
 
with all due respect, I don't agree with the 'didn't vot/can't gripe' POV. there is something worse than not voting, and that's an uninformed vote. that's how dolts like the second Bush got into office (twice!). unfortunately, that will always happen in a popular vote - when you let a population speak out, the message is the average of their intelligences, which of course ends up being thoroughly average and unresearched. that's why our government is so bland and uninspired; it's run by the average when it should be run by the best and brightest.

i tell you, one of the saddest days of my adult life was when i realized i was smarter than the president and leader of the free world, and likely by a significant margin. afterwards, hearing my coworkers' reasons for voting for him completely soured me to the political process.
 
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42. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 14:13 Hoop
 
Go Obama!  
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41. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 13:56 jacobvandy
 
Lately I've been leaning toward the point of view that Obama being re-elected would be better for us than Romney getting in. The problem with ousting an incumbent is the false perception of change associated with it... That would lead many outraged and outspoken Americans to calm down and stop paying attention to what's really going on, because they assume a change in president will mean a change in policy. "OH YEAH, we kicked him out! Good job fellas, now we can go home..."

Meanwhile, I have zero confidence whatsoever that Romney will do anything substantially different than Obama has been doing. As much as I would like to see it proven that R vs. D doesn't mean a goddamn thing in mainstream politics anymore, it would be too detrimental to the current growing subculture of dissent. So, I hope Obama wins, if only to further stoke the fires burning beneath the feet of the angry mobs. Maybe four more years of his "hope and change" will finally spur some improvements around here.
 
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40. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 13:49 PropheT
 
It's a huge election here, not just because of the presidential vote but because of two major state votes as well. I've lived where I do for almost 12 years now and today was the busiest I've ever seen the polling place in my town.

Minnesota is always known for turnout anyway, but if my podunk little village is seeing this sort of representation already today I think it's going to be a busy night.
 
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39. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 13:25 Jivaro
 
Creston wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 12:51:
Jeraxle wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 12:12:
Either way, I have a war to go fight. Night missions are fun! =)

Stay safe, man!

Creston

What Creston said. Good luck and stay safe.
 
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38. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 13:24 Jivaro
 
Congress's approval rating has never been lower and yet all predictions are that most that are up for re-election will keep their jobs.

To me, this is the problem. Regardless of Republican or Democrat, too many people think that the President is the solution or the problem while our broken and corrupt legislative branch continues to be the biggest part of the problem. I don't hold out hope for much in the way of federal improvement as long as people keep re-electing the same career politicians that live off of special interests to represent them in Congress. The President may be the single most powerful political figure in the world, but he is still one man. Congress has the most power and the people really need to stop buying into this Presidential bullshit every four years and start holding those people who represent them directly accountable. I am sure the members of Congress are more then willing to let all of us blame one guy for everything, but it just isn't reality.

That will be my one and only political rant on this site. It's a special occasion being Election Day. In general, I wish we would stay away from the subject here. I find our debating about the gaming industry to be much better for my mood as my day begins.
 
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37. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 6, 2012, 12:51 Creston
 
Jeraxle wrote on Nov 6, 2012, 12:12:
Either way, I have a war to go fight. Night missions are fun! =)

Stay safe, man!

Creston
 
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